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ajmrowland wrote:
Disney has 51 animated films, so it's only inevitable that a few duds crop up for everyone, depending on the individual, and the one thing that most people would agree on with this issue is that whatever duds they chose-and even thirty or so not duds-Pixar's few films have topped. Only the best of the best have really held their ground against them, such as Pinnocchio, Fantasia, Beauty and the Beast, etc. but not the likes of the Rescuers or Black Cauldron.

I think it just comes down to personal tastes. The Rescuers, generally not considered one of Disney's "masterpieces", is in my Top 5 DACs and frankly, I like it better than the entire Pixar canon. And this is coming from someone who likes most of the Pixar films! But in general, I prefer nearly ALL of the Walt-era DAC films (not just the "First Five" but ALSO the 50's films), and several other post-Walt DACs, over the vast majority of the Pixars.

Not being argumentative, just my honest opinion!

Being a Disney fan only means we have to love Disney, but it doesnt mean we cant love other things. Plenty of(hardcore) Disney fans might not even have Disney films in the top 3 favorites of all time.

I agree. I'm the first to admit that my favorite all live-action film (with no animation) is Babe, and that was neither made or distributed by Disney. In fact, it was distributed by Universal! Of course, Disney films make up the majority of my live-action favorites (mostly from the Walt era)

^yes, It's mostly opinions.

ajmrowland wrote:Disney has 51 animated films, so it's only inevitable that a few duds crop up for everyone, depending on the individual, and the one thing that most people would agree on with this issue is that whatever duds they chose-and even thirty or so not duds-Pixar's few films have topped. Only the best of the best have really held their ground against them, such as Pinnocchio, Fantasia, Beauty and the Beast, etc. but not the likes of the Rescuers or Black Cauldron.

Yea, but he said most of the DAC canon he felt are not as good as a number of Pixar's best films.

That's what I have a problem with. He can have his opinion, but that also means I can have a problem with it!

I went to see Cars 2 for my birthday last Sunday and I absolutely loved it. Shocking, I know, but I really did.

I will admit that the film has problems. I felt the movie was better when it focused on Lightning and Mater as well as the world grand prix. When it focused on the spy stuff it got boring and overly chatty. I will, however, commend Pixar for trying to give the spy side of the movie some depth. I have to agree with Roger Ebert when he said that in an era where dumb action flicks are dumb for the sake of it (coughTransformerscough) a movie supposedly made for a younger audience features more depth than some sophisticated action movies.

I really enjoyed the new characters, but like I just said, I really wanted to spend more time on the grand prix. I loved the Italian scenes. I wanted to see more of Luigi and Guido's family, enjoy more of the world. That's where I think the film had its biggest strength.

One thing I realized once the movie was over was that its message about friendship left an impact in me. Mainly because I've been put in a situation similar to Mater's. No, I haven't been mistaken for a spy, hear me out. I am usually the "lively", "quirky" friend in my group, and this has often caused people to get upset. The scene where Mater looks back at how he acted during the race and missions got to me as often I look back at how I acted in public and feel shame.

But most importantly, Mater learns that no matter who you are there is always someone that loves and appreciates you for who you are, thus their friendship is far more meaningful. I say that because I have met friends who have accepted me as who I am, warts and all, and have come to truly value their friendship.

Going back to Cars 2's overall value, I think Pixar has created their first "audience" film. What do I mean by that? Well, even when the movie has wide commercial appear (Toy Story 3 for example) they often add elements that appeals to critics and intelligent movie goers. The silent parts in Wall E, the heartbreaking montages in Up, nearly all of Ratatouille, all of them were critic friendly. Cars 2, however, is more of a crowd pleaser. My showing of the movie was completely packed with kids and adult, and they all laughed and had a blast.

So long story short, in my eyes Cars 2 is FAR from the worst animated movie ever made. The best Pixar movie ever? Of course not, but the worst overall? I can name far worse animated movies that insult our intelligence far worse than Mater will ever do.

Disney Duster wrote:

ajmrowland wrote:Disney has 51 animated films, so it's only inevitable that a few duds crop up for everyone, depending on the individual, and the one thing that most people would agree on with this issue is that whatever duds they chose-and even thirty or so not duds-Pixar's few films have topped. Only the best of the best have really held their ground against them, such as Pinnocchio, Fantasia, Beauty and the Beast, etc. but not the likes of the Rescuers or Black Cauldron.

Yea, but he said most of the DAC canon he felt are not as good as a number of Pixar's best films.

That's what I have a problem with. He can have his opinion, but that also means I can have a problem with it!

not saying you cant, but you went so far as to imply that someone cannot be a Disney fan if they think Pixar is better than most-and not all-Disney movies. I dont think I've even seen most of them myself. Some are hard to come by.

Lasseter responds for the first time to the bad reviews of Cars 2.

John Lasseter wrote:Well, we've had a lot of bad reviews for a lot of movies. When Toy Story came out - everybody seems to forget this, but - many many critics hated Toy Story. They seem to forget that, but...so we're not, you know, it's not the first time. The first Cars was not liked by the critics either. But I'm glad to tell you I don't make movies for film critics. I make the movies for the audience and I'm very proud of Cars 2. It is one of the most fun movies I've ever made and we're really proud of it. And it's the most beautiful film Pixar's made. It's so complex and gorgeous. And you'll see, it's very special. It's a spy movie. They go around the world, it's very funny. It's a great follow-up to Cars which I love as well. They are very personal stories for me. And Cars is unlike any film in history where it's actually gotten more popular over time and we're very proud of that. So, I love this film and like I said, I don't make these for critics, I do it for the audience.

Source: https://youtu.be/k0zcKjnCPsM?t=17m32s

Plenty of films have gotten more popular over time...

But otherwise I am pleased he made such a response, and I agree with him fully. After viewing the sequel, Cars and its sequel are among my favourite Pixar films.

I'm sure there were a couple of critics who disliked Toy Story, but come on, whatever negative reviews Toy Story might have had, they're nothing compared to the massive number of them for Cars 2.

That said, it's interesting to hear a response from Lasseter personally on the subject. Though, I wonder if the "I don't make these for critics" comment is meant to be quoting Walt Disney, who used to say the same thing.

estefan wrote:I'm sure there were a couple of critics who disliked Toy Story, but come on, whatever negative reviews Toy Story might have had, they're nothing compared to the massive number of them for Cars 2.

That said, it's interesting to hear a response from Lasseter personally on the subject. Though, I wonder if the "I don't make these for critics" comment is meant to be quoting Walt Disney, who used to say the same thing.

Someone in the video asks or tells Lasseter that many people sees him as the heir to Walt Disney.....

To upon hearing that I did something similar in this picture below

I went to see Cars 2 for my birthday last Sunday and I absolutely loved it. Shocking, I know, but I really did.

I will admit that the film has problems. I felt the movie was better when it focused on Lightning and Mater as well as the world grand prix. When it focused on the spy stuff it got boring and overly chatty. I will, however, commend Pixar for trying to give the spy side of the movie some depth. I have to agree with Roger Ebert when he said that in an era where dumb action flicks are dumb for the sake of it (coughTransformerscough) a movie supposedly made for a younger audience features more depth than some sophisticated action movies.

I'm glad that you liked it.

Surprisingly, I didn't have any problems with the Spy concept. I must confess that I wasn't particularly satisfied with the spy plot-line, but it didn't bothered me at all when I finally saw the movie. Although I prefered the scenes which focused on the racing, Mater and Lightning.

ajmrowland wrote:not saying you cant, but you went so far as to imply that someone cannot be a Disney fan if they think Pixar is better than most-and not all-Disney movies. I dont think I've even seen most of them myself. Some are hard to come by.

If he had told me he was a bigger Pixar fan than Disney fan, it would have made sense, but to be a bigger Disney fan yet prefer some Pixars movies to most of Disney's movies...?!

Disneyboy wrote:Someone in the video asks or tells Lasseter that many people sees him as the heir to Walt Disney.....

You know, I'm not even sure if I believe that either Walt or Lasseter are entirely truthful when they say they don't make films for critics...I think they consider what everyone, critic or audience thinks, along with making them just for the sake of the story/art. And I think they should, as critics are audience, too. Either that, or don't make your films for anyone in particular. But whatever. But if Lasseter said that line hoping people would go "oh, he said that just like Walt!" completely conveniently failing to mention he knew very well Walt said it first...for shame.

Because, believe it or not, Disney made more movies and the quality of their movies is going to vary. Which ones are better is an individual opinion, but the fact is that opinion is gonna be common amongst even amongst the biggest Disney fans ever. the individuality is more likely to come out of how these fans rank the movies, and yes, how they compare them to some from other studios.

There are 51 Disney Animated features and 12 Pixar features.

Out of the 51, the most popular count up to 20. Those are the movies on the Diamond line, plus Aladdin, Pocahontas, Alice in Wonderland, Hunchback, Hercules, Fantasia, Mulan/or Tarzan(which would make it 21). This isnt just the general public either. This could be the case for a lot of Disney fans who actually are aware of the other, more obscure titles in the canon. I also didnt mention Tangled or Princess and the Frog because they're the most recent films and their popularity(for the over 6 crowd) could fade over as little as a year or two

Now out of Pixar's 12 films, 11 are in the public eye(A Bug's Life aint exactly jumping off the Toy Shelves), and at least 9 got consistently glowing reviews.

But the point is that they are generally *consistently* good movies, whereas Disney, who's made more movies with more teams working at the same time, the consistency in quality for their films......there's actually less consistency and many of the films(Robin Hood, Black Cauldron,etc. IMO) arent up to par when compared to either Disney or Pixar.

But once again, it comes down to opinion as to which films are as good as Pixar films, and which ones arent, and which ones are better.

Yes. But ajmrowland I am not sure you understood. A big Disney fan, who is more a fan of Disney, would still not prefer certain Pixar films over MOST of Disney's films. You are saying SOME of their films aren't the best quality. That guy was basically saying MOST weren't.

On the day we’re at Pixar, the company has announced that it will release two films in 2013: the Monsters, Inc. prequel Monsters University, and one still to be named. “We’ve always wanted to do sequels,” says Lasseter about the growth. “It took us ten years to get to a place where we could do a movie a year without a drop in quality. We worked really hard for that. So now we said, ‘Okay, we want to do sequels again but we also don’t want to take away our original movies’. We love doing those. We want to be able to make originals and insert sequels as well. So the way we look at it is that we’re growing to three movies every two years. Some years there will be two Pixar movies; some years there will be one. But we don’t want to drop in quality, which is why we’ve grown from 900 employees to 1,200.”

“Everything is about the movies,” says Lasseter. “Everything. Nothing’s about hitting a release date. We figure out the movie and then we work from there. We’ll never decide to do a sequel and then think of an idea. It’s always idea first. Always. Whether it’s a sequel or an original idea, it’s all about the idea.”

Source: http://www.empireonline.com/features/cars-2/p1

I loved it, and am pleased to read quite a few positive comments about it on this thread. I don't understand the dislike elsewhere. It's Pixar does an action movie, and on that level I think it works superbly. Mater got a little annoying but provided enough laughs and the sheer pace of the movie just about compensated. I rank it higher than both Toy Story 3 and The Incredibles of the Pixar films.

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Wells Cars 2 has surprised the original, partly thanks to inflation + 3D ticket prices.

Victurtle wrote:Wells Cars 2 has surprised the original, partly thanks to inflation + 3D ticket prices.

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I think you meant surpassed

RT @ETonlineAlert Cars 2 hits DVD & Blu-ray Nov. 1! Get a look at the new animated short, 'Air Mater'! http://t.co/350O9wt

Source: http://twitter.com/DisneyPixar

I wonder when the Bonus features will be announced.