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Not with someone like David Lowery at the helm who, in my opinion, has an impeccable track record compared to Zemeckis.Vlad Sicoe wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:09 am I'm not looking forward to this at all. I'm still going to watch it, just to give it a chance. But I'm almost positive it's going to be as bad, if not worse than Pinocchio.
It's true that Neverland looks bigger here. On the one hand I like it, but it's true it loses a bit that playground quality you mention. I was also surprised Peter Pan's hideout is different here. Maybe it's more faithful to the book? I agree that Tinker Bell looks very CGI. As for Hook, it seems their take on the character is very different this time.Marce82 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:26 am - Neverland looks so... charmless (where's the COLORS???). And HUGE! Part of the charm of previous depictions of Neverland is that it was almost comically small. Like the kids can get around the island very quickly on foot. This one looks like it'll take 8 hours to get from place to place. I think this is one thing where Spielberg's Hook benefitted from being shot in a studio... it kept the "playground" quality to Neverland. Even the Hollow Tree looks like an abandoned temple in this one...
I hope they will keep her being all jealous.
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Well, not bad. I must say that I like them. Despite how Tinker Bell`s face looks a little bit like Vanessa Hudgens
Agreed. It`s quite remarkable and noteworthy how those films didn`t get any merchandise (considering how their predecessors had some merchandise) and how this remake is getting some. At least I`ve wouldn`t mind to see some merchandise for Disenchanted.It's interesting that this film is getting some merch. Previous Disney+ exclusive movies like Pinocchio or Disenchanted didn't get any.
I think Pete's Dragon is among the best remakes, so I have faith in the director too. At least, I don't think the movie will be as bad as Pinocchio or Mulan. Although, you never know with these remakes, even good directors or writers haven't been able to save some of them, so we'll see.MaQu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:22 am For me, the movie looks way better than I imagined. I like the more dramatic approach, although I agree I wish Neverland was a little more colorful, vivid. But I totally have a faith in the director, I love his "Pete's Dragon"!
I expect the female cast of Wendy, Tink and Tiger Lily to be the breakthrough stars of the movie.
Yeah, I was surprised they didn't make any merch for Disenchanted. Perhaps it's because the movie didn't test well and they knew it wouldn't be successful. Strange World didn't get much merch either probably for the same reason. If that was the case, it might mean they expect Peter Pan & Wendy to do well.DisneyFan09 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 8:34 am Agreed. It`s quite remarkable and noteworthy how those films didn`t get any merchandise (considering how their predecessors had some merchandise) and how this remake is getting some. At least I`ve wouldn`t mind to see some merchandise for Disenchanted.
I think the original has been criticized for their portrayal of its female characters: showing them being jealous, fighting over a boy, etc, so most likely they'll try to fix that. Maybe she's still jealous, but not as much as in the original, like you said, or she and Wendy will become friends earlier.Disney's Divinity wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:27 am I hope Tinker Bell is still jealous, but not to the point of murderous rage. That's much more misogynist than girls not being in the Lost Boys. Priorities, Disney.
That also occurred to me. I think it's either that or that they think this movie will do better than Pinocchio or Disenchanted. By the way, I read there'll also be a doll set that includes Tiger Lily and her horse.Disney's Divinity wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:27 am I think the only reason this film is getting merchandise is because they racebent several of the characters. They probably know they'll sell poorly, but it's more an insurance policy against the Twitter crowd who might accuse them of "not truly supporting people of color" (even though they didn't make much merch for any of the previous remakes before it so it would be getting treated the same).
D82 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:58 pmI think the original has been criticized for their portrayal of its female characters: showing them being jealous, fighting over a boy, etc, so most likely they'll try to fix that. Maybe she's still jealous, but not as much as in the original, like you said, or she and Wendy will become friends earlier.Disney's Divinity wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:27 am I hope Tinker Bell is still jealous, but not to the point of murderous rage. That's much more misogynist than girls not being in the Lost Boys. Priorities, Disney.
True, indeed. What`s ironic is how Tinker Bell has been praised by Disney historians for being a progressive character and ahead of her time, despite that there`s little redeemable about her in Walt`s Peter Pan to begin with. Her flaws makes her relatable, but besides her love for Peter, she doesn`t have many redeeming qualities during the majority of the movie. Which frankly makes her character off-putting in many ways.Disney's Divinity wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:27 am I hope Tinker Bell is still jealous, but not to the point of murderous rage. That's much more misogynist than girls not being in the Lost Boys. Priorities, Disney.
Most likely.I think the only reason this film is getting merchandise is because they racebent several of the characters. They probably know they'll sell poorly, but it's more an insurance policy against the Twitter crowd who might accuse them of "not truly supporting people of color" (even though they didn't make much merch for any of the previous remakes before it so it would be getting treated the same).
I have the exact same thoughts as PatchofBluePatchofBlue wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:48 pmD82 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:58 pm
I think the original has been criticized for their portrayal of its female characters: showing them being jealous, fighting over a boy, etc, so most likely they'll try to fix that. Maybe she's still jealous, but not as much as in the original, like you said, or she and Wendy will become friends earlier.
I've actually always low-key loved that Tink legit tries to murder Wendy in the animated film (and the source material too, if I remember correctly). I don't even think I could articulate why, it's just always been funny to me. I guess because it makes her a fun foil to Wendy's excessive politeness.
I think there's also something to said for showing two girls who initially don't get along only to realize that their rivalry is meaningless. (Max and El in Stranger Things comes to mind as a recent high-profile example.) That's something that I think is done a little more explicitly in the dtv sequel with Tink and Jane, but it's still there in the 1953 film with Tink and Wendy.
But alas, this requires some sort of nuanced thinking, and well, these remakes aren't exactly known for that ...
TEASERS: FLIGHT CLUB
PETER PAN & WENDY
David Lowery’s live-action Disney adaptation takes the boy who wouldn’t grow up to soaring new heights.
There are few filmmakers with CVs as eclectic as David Lowery. Alongside a gritty Arthurian fantasy (The Green Knight), a septuagenarian crime caper (The Old Man & the Gun) and a supernatural study in grief (A Ghost Story), the 42-year-old writer/director has carved out a counter-intuitive niche adapting Disney classics, including the Bryce Dallas Howard-starring Pete’s Dragon in 2016 and, now, a House of Mouse crown jewel in Peter Pan. ‘To me, it makes total sense,’ Lowery tells Teasers of his two outwardly distinct filmmaking lanes. ‘The line between Peter Pan and The Green Knight is minimal. I’m like, “They’re both adventure movies. They’re basically the same film, aren’t they?”’
In at least one respect that statement is very true. Like The Green Knight’s ancient lands, Peter Pan & Wendy’s Neverland is a tangible, earthy creation worlds away from the tropics of the animated movie, and shot entirely on location in Newfoundland and the Faroe Islands. ‘We weren’t going to build Neverland on a soundstage,’ Lowery nods. ‘We really wanted this to feel like you could stumble out of your door, into the backyard, and get lost in a forest and have an adventure similar to this.’
Despite being backed by Disney, Lowery came to the project as a fan of J.M. Barrie’s original Peter Pan stories, released at one point under the name Peter Pan and Wendy – inspiring the title of this latest live-action adaptation. Announced in April 2016, before Pete’s Dragon had even hit cinemas, Peter Pan & Wendy was significantly more challenging to adapt than Lowery anticipated. Setting aside the fact that he shot and released three features in the interim, Lowery claims to have ‘never spent this much time on a movie’, with the screenplay going through numerous page-one rewrites.
Early versions stuck closely to Barrie’s book, but bumped up against P.J. Hogan’s 2003 Peter Pan as a result (‘He adapted the book perfectly – there was no way that we could best that.’) Instead, Lowery found himself turning to the 1953 animated film for answers. ‘We realised that Walt Disney and the team had solved a number of problems that we were already having with how to get into the story,’ says Lowery, who co-wrote the screenplay with Toby Halbrooks. ‘So we started to lean a little more heavily on the animated film, but, at the same time, always trying to keep the book’s almost anarchic, adult spirit.’
The result is a film that’s far more faithful to its source material than Lowery’s ground-up reinvention of Pete’s Dragon. ‘I would often say: if it’s in the ride at Disneyland, it needs to be in the movie,’ Lowery chuckles, ‘because those are the things people remember. So we really tried to treat this as if it was the very first Peter Pan movie, while also keeping in mind the legacy.’
That legacy includes indelible songs – several of which feature in Lowery’s film – and, more problematically, the unacceptable depiction of indigenous characters. Watch the animated film on Disney+ and the first thing you’ll be greeted by is a screen warning of ‘stereotypes that were wrong then, and are wrong now’. Tiger Lily will still feature in Peter Pan & Wendy, played by indigenous actor Alyssa Wapanatâhk, but will be handled more respectfully.
‘The challenge for us was: how do we take this character who, going back to the original text, was problematic, and give her a role that is not only supporting, but integral to the entire movie?’ Lowery says, pointing out that the history of the character was completely rewritten to incorporate elements of Wapanatâhk’s own culture. ‘There was nothing from the past that we needed to hang on to when it came to Tiger Lily. The version of the character in the movie, who is so strong and vibrant, it’s incredible. There should be a Tiger Lily movie!’
Casting relative newcomers Ever Anderson (daughter of director Paul W.S. and actor Milla Jovovich) as Wendy, and Alexander Molony as Peter Pan, Lowery points out that ‘the story ultimately is, and always has been, Wendy’s’, even calling Pan ‘incidental’ to Wendy’s journey. ‘I really wanted to do something different with Peter,’ he says. ‘Peter, in the animated movie, tricks us into thinking that we like him. But he’s an incredibly unlikeable character! In our film, he is very serious, to a fault, about what he thinks is the most important thing in the world, which is not growing up. It becomes a sticking point between him and Wendy.’
Lowery’s film also has an ace up the sleeve of its billowing pirate coat in the form of Jude Law, who plays crocodile-fearing sea dog Captain Hook. In sync from their very first Zoom meeting, the pair had to fully flesh out a two-dimensional character for live action. ‘We really wanted to understand why Hook hates Peter Pan so much,’ Lowery explains. ‘Where does that anger come from? We did our best to build out a story for the two characters, and a sense of history, and a sense of mythology.’ But why Law? ‘You want someone who can lean into the moustache-twirling when it’s appropriate but then also break your heart when you need that to happen as well,’ Lowery smiles. ‘I can’t think of anyone better to straddle those two things in the same way that he straddles the crocodile’s jaw.’ Oh, snap! JORDAN FARLEY
