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UmbrellaFish wrote:I don't either. My little sister loves those types of toys, our den is cluttered with them. I mean, they are just toys. Can't kids role-play as cooks or cleaners or mothers, because that's what they like? Nobody cries foul at Wendy for wanting to be a pretend mother to Peter and the Lost Boys. It's not like it's all that incredible. Kids like to pretend they are responsible adults, and being a responsible adult includes cleaning and cooking. I used to want a Dirt Devil toy when I was little. I'm sure Danny Tanner did, too. I think we are making a Mount Everest out of toy mole hill here.

I had toy vacuums and things like that as a kid, too. Heck, I even had a toy drive through of McDonald's. I had BIG aspirations in my youth. lol. The main point that I was making is that Disney Consumer Products seems to only be focusing on Snow White as a cooking and cleaning domesticated housewife. The main complaint that I hear from parents about the Disney Princess franchise is that it gives their daughters the impression that things like beauty and what you wear are very important and that as long as you find a man, your life will be perfect. This is something Disney has tried to move away from with films like Pocahontas, Mulan, and Enchanted in which the heroine is strong, stands up for herself, and saves the day. None of those films end in instant marriage either. It will be interesting to see how parents react when these toys hit store shelves next month.

there have been creepier Disney Themed products created....

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Anyway, my sister used to have an Easy-Bake Oven. All sorts of tasty treats came out of that.

UF, you have a point. I never thought I'd forget the innocence of childhood so soon.

I had a McDonald's playset, but I'm very jealous of your McDonald's drive-thru, Alex. Very.

goofystitch wrote:Disney Consumer Products seems to only be focusing on Snow White as a cooking and cleaning domesticated housewife.

I think that that's a good point. As far as themed toys, though, I guess there's not much else to do with Snow White. You could have her in a set with the Prince and his horse, riding out into the sunset, but then parents would complain about:

goofystitch wrote:that as long as you find a man, your life will be perfect.

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They could have a playset of a frightened Snow White running through the forest...but then some parents might complain that that's too scary. They could have a playset of Snow White sleeping, and it could come with little dwarf beds and a glass coffin...



I think that the new Snow White toys are pretty clever, and as I said, lots of kids play house- I did ALL the time. So, yes, I definitely understand the point of, Disney is marketing Snow White as a housewife and nothing else, but if you play housewife at home, you might as well have fun Disney toys to play with! Maybe if I had these toys as a kid, I'd enjoy cleaning! I mean, I had the McDonald's playset, and not only do I love to cook, I LOVE McDonald's!

Although it's small, here's a promo picture from the Brazilian 3-Disc BD, that shows a little bit of the discs artworks!



Can't wait for Oct. 6! Or for someone in the forum to receive it early and show it to us!

pick wrote:Although it's small, here's a promo picture from the Brazilian 3-Disc BD, that shows a little bit of the discs artworks!



Can't wait for Oct. 6! Or for someone in the forum to receive it early and show it to us!

Looks like the DVD artwork isn't gonna be much. Disney's REALLY pushing Blu.

Home Media Magazine has its review up for Snow White:
1st review


Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs: Diamond Edition (Blu-ray Review)

By : John Latchem | Posted: 24 Aug 2009

During its production, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs had been known as “Disney’s Folly” in the industry press. But Walt Disney (and his financiers) had faith that it would work. Upon its release in 1937, the film was hailed as a masterpiece.

On Blu-ray, the film has probably never looked or sounded this good. The “Diamond Edition” presentation has restored the film’s original RKO opening and end title sequences (which had been missing since the 1950s and were only included as an extra in the 2001 “Platinum Edition” DVD release). If there are any imperfections in the high-def master, they are only a by-product of the animation techniques being more than 70 years old. The film employs one of the brightest, cheeriest color palates ever committed to celluloid.

In fact, several speakers on the new disc make the bold claim that success of Snow White as bright colorful family entertainment inspired MGM to greenlight The Wizard of Oz (and changed the film industry and life as we know it forever, etc.).

But the extras elevate this “Diamond Edition” to a virtual Disney museum in a box.

The process of creating Snow White, the first full-length animated feature in American cinematic history, isn’t too dissimilar from what Pixar animators went through more than 50 years later to produce CG-animated films. Disney animators created a number of short cartoons used to experiment with and perfect techniques that would be needed to construct a feature-length cartoon. Many of these short films are included with the Blu-ray: 1928’s Steamboat Willie (sound), 1932’s Flowers and Trees (color), 1934’s The Goddess of Spring (human character animation), 1934’s Playful Pluto (personality animation) and 1937’s The Old Mill (multiplane camera).

The bulk of behind-the-scenes material is presented through a virtual tour of Hyperion Studios, the original Disney animation facility where Snow White was made. (Disney would build a new studio in Burbank with the profits from the movie.) An index of the available material is available for those who don’t have the patience to let the menus load.

The disc also includes an interesting archive find: Snow White Returns, an unproduced short that serves as a sequel to the film, designed to make use of unused sequences from the movie.

Most of the 2001 extras have made their way to the “Diamond Edition.” The most notable omission is the 2001 retrospective making-of featurette, which has been replaced by a new documentary more similar in tone to those found on other recent Disney DVDs.

The primary holdover from 2001, Disney Through the Decades, starts with the notion that Snow White gave rise to the Disney empire, and traces the influence the film has had on the studio over the years. A new intro and an updated 21st century segment are included.

The Blu-ray itself is hosted by a wisecracking Slave in the Mirror, who discusses the weather and makes recommendations to the viewer. Viewers can get more of the mirror with the Mirror, Mirror on the Wall Disney Princess personality profile quiz.

Other games include the addictive Jewel Jumble, a Tetris knockoff; What Do You See?, a photo recognition game; and the puzzle-solver Dopey’s Wild Mine Ride, a holdover from 2001.

Another neat activity is the “Scene Stealer,” which uses BD Live to let users upload a photo that is inserted into the movie as a dwarf.

The Blu-ray also includes a music video of Disney Channel starlet Tiffany Thornton singing a pop version of “Some Day My Prince Will Come.” While Disney’s continued inclusion of these musical updates is annoying, this version is certainly more tolerable than Barbra Streisand’s throaty rendition from the 2001 DVD (which thankfully is not included here).

Thanks for the info! It sounds amazing!

amazon980 wrote:On Blu-ray, the film has probably never looked or sounded this good. The “Diamond Edition” presentation has restored the film’s original RKO opening and end title sequences (which had been missing since the 1950s and were only included as an extra in the 2001 “Platinum Edition” DVD release).

I was really hoping they would restore the RKO opening and closing like they did with Pinocchio. I'm so excited.

I'll be seeing the premier of the restored print at the D23 Expo along with a panel discussion about the film.

amazon980 wrote: The primary holdover from 2001, Disney Through the Decades, starts with the notion that Snow White gave rise to the Disney empire, and traces the influence the film has had on the studio over the years. A new intro and an updated 21st century segment are included.

THIS RELEASE IS GONNA BE LEGEN.... wait for it.....................



















DARY!!!!

amazon980 wrote:...The process of creating Snow White, the first full-length animated feature in American cinematic history, isn’t too dissimilar from what Pixar animators went through more than 50 years later to produce CG-animated films. Disney animators created a number of short cartoons used to experiment with and perfect techniques that would be needed to construct a feature-length cartoon. Many of these short films are included with the Blu-ray: 1928’s Steamboat Willie (sound), 1932’s Flowers and Trees (color), 1934’s The Goddess of Spring (human character animation), 1934’s Playful Pluto (personality animation) and 1937’s The Old Mill (multiplane camera)...

WHAT? THE SHORTS ARE INCLUDED ON THE BD?!?!? THAT'S, LIKE, SO AWESOME!

If only the review said anything about the trailers, we'd know the answer to the Dumbo/Fantasia question...

The inclusion of the shorts is a nice touch.

Thanks Disneykid! It looks like we cannot tell how the new restoration will really look or really be able to compare till later. I'm worried about Snow White losing her white, but all her red colors look more red than the previous orange and that is very good, especially since she is supposed to have lips red as the rose and it is part of the tale!

Marky, where do Snow White and the Queen's lips look orange? In the old restoration almost all reds, even the apple, looked orange, but the new restoration looks like they made them redder, and that's good!

Also, did you know films in theaters back in Walt's time most probably looked as sharp, or rather, as clear as high-definition? But I was wondering, do you think the problem is not the sharpness and clarity, but the fact that it is both sharp and digital? Tiny little sqaure pixels instead of looking at the actual cels?

Netty, what do you think of that, that we are not just seeing the film sharp, but also digital, and so it has sqaure pixels, which may make it look too sharp, but any way, it's not exactly the same thing we would see looking at the cels on the backgrounds, or the celluloid back in Walt's time?

Also, what do you think of grain? What do you think of how it can lose image detail? Do you believe they should find a way to keep all the image detail and lose all the grain? Or is grain part of the film, just not excess grain? And I think one review did say Pinocchio kept all image detail even when removing all grain, so maybe they have done it.

PatrickvD wrote:oh and the detail in Snow White's hair was most likely grain or dirt. Because you know, the movie's over 70 years old.

As goofystitch also noted, that is actually a white paint given to Snow White's hair to give it a gleam often found in black hair, like the same white shine given to Figaro's hair in Pinocchio. We will see if it has disappeared in the new restoration or not when it comes out.

Albert wrote:House realised it was because somehow, the way the brain processed what the eyes saw, it didn't look the way we see the world. He fixed it, and she could see "normally" again, even if she was already capable of seeing.

Did House change her brain so that she would change her view of the world? If so that's terrible! Well, when he once said that the feelings a woman suddenly felt for a baby was a chemical reaction...you see the horrible view doctors and scientists can get?

goofystitch wrote:The main complaint that I hear from parents about the Disney Princess franchise is that it gives their daughters the impression that things like beauty and what you wear are very important and that as long as you find a man, your life will be perfect. This is something Disney has tried to move away from with films like Pocahontas, Mulan, and Enchanted in which the heroine is strong, stands up for herself, and saves the day. None of those films end in instant marriage either. It will be interesting to see how parents react when these toys hit store shelves next month.

The previous heroines were strong and stood up for themselves, too! Did Snow White make it through the forest on her own, yes or no? Did she think to ask the animals where to live, yes or no? Did she seem to take charge of the dwarfs and the cottage, yes or no? Did Cinderella say "well, why not?" when her stepfamily made fun of her going to the ball, yes or no? It's all YES.

zackisthewalrus wrote:

pick wrote:Although it's small, here's a promo picture from the Brazilian 3-Disc BD, that shows a little bit of the discs artworks!



Can't wait for Oct. 6! Or for someone in the forum to receive it early and show it to us!

Looks like the DVD artwork isn't gonna be much. Disney's REALLY pushing Blu.

It has a white/silver background rather than blue... how does that in ANY WAY equal "REALLY pushing Blu." ?
I swear, people are BEGGING for excuses to argue about Blu-ray.

Okay, so let's recap all of the features we know of so far based on both BBFC classifications and this mini review. It's sad that Disney can't just give us a real press release that breaks everything down like in the good old days. New features are in red.

Audio Commentary with Walt Disney

"The One That Started It All" Documentary
- ?? (4:05)
- ?? (16:26)

Animated Shorts
- "Steamboat Willie"
- "Flowers and Trees"
- "Playful Pluto"
- "The Goddess of Spring" (9:46)
- "The Old Mill"

Storyboard-to-Film Comparisons
- Introduction (0:20)
- The Queen's Order (0:43)
- Cleaning House (3:15)
- Dwarves Chase Witch (1:55)

Abandoned Concepts
- Introduction (0:55)
- Snow White Meets the Prince (2:05)
- The Prince is Captured (1:21)

Voice Talent (6:21)

Art Design (1:42)

Deleted Animation
- Introduction (0:40)

A Trip Through the Walt Disney Studios (10:58 )

How Disney Cartoons Are Made (8:54)

L.A. Premiere (1:12)

Restoration (5:15)

DisneyView Artist Toby Bluth

Theatrical Trailers
- 1937 A (1:32)
- 1937 B (0:27)
- 1944 (1:41)
- 1958 (2:55)
- 1967 (2:04)
- 1987 (1:16)
- 1993 (1:09)
- 2001 (0:55)

Snow White Returns (8:23)

Disney Through the Decades
- Introduction
- The 1930s - Roy E. Disney (3:17)
- The 1940s - Angela Lansbury (2:49)
- The 1950s - Fess Parker (4:33)
- The 1960s - Robby Benson (3:25)
- The 1970s - Dean Jones (2:21)
- The 1980s - Jodie Benson (3:35)
- The 1990s - Ming-Na (4:02)
- A New Century (16:27)

Someday My Prince Will Come Performed by Tiffany Thornton (4:01)

Games & Activities
- Dopey's Wild Mine Ride
- Jewel Jumble
- What Do You See?
- Mirror, Mirror on the Wall
- Scene Stealer

Easter Eggs
- Ward's Daughter Sings (1:06)
- Ward's Memorabilia (3:36)

So what's up in the air? These:

- "Some Day My Prince Will Come" (Fantasy Version) (4:25)
- The Forest Chase Storyboard-to-Film Comparison (3:03)
- Visual Development (1:30)
- Disneyland: The Story of the Silly Symphony - The Multiplane Camera (1:36)
- Disneyland: Tricks of Our Trade - The Multiplane Camera (7:39)
- Camera Tests (12:13)
- Live-Action Reference (6:45)
- Disneyland: Tricks of Our Trade - Live-Action Reference (4:11)
- The Witch at the Cauldron Deleted Scene (0:40)
- The Bedroom Argument Deleted Scene (2:19)
- "Music In Your Soup" Deleted Scene (4:08 )
- The Lodge Meeting Deleted Scene (1:55)
- Building a Bed Deleted Scene (4:54)
- "Silly Song" (Recording Session) (3:13)
- Deleted Song: "You're Never Too Old To Be Young" (3:18 )
- Lux Radio Theatre - September 28, 1936 (3:52)
- Lux Radio Theatre - December 20, 1937 (4:16)
- Mickey Mouse Theatre of the Air - January 9, 1938 (28:35)
- 1958 Radio Spots (1:39)
- 1967 Radio Spots (3:13)

And the buttload of galleries that I won't repost here. I think most of these features will be ported over ("Deleted Animation" has its own intro classified, after all). The only ones I question are "Visual Development (it may have its own segment in the main documentary) and the Multiplane Camera segment from Disneyland (it's been on so many releases already).

The "Still the Fairest of Them All" documentary and the Barbra Streisand video are confirmed to be gone, and we're guaranteed to lose the Angela Lansbury tours, the text features, and gallery commentaries.

I'm sure we'll get more features classified soon (the documentary's got to be longer than 20 minutes), and I'll probably make another post like this just before release date as a clearer indicator of what we're getting.

Oh, and special thanks to Albert and his Disney Animated Classics Quick DVD Guide, which came mighty handy here.

zackisthewalrus wrote:

pick wrote:Although it's small, here's a promo picture from the Brazilian 3-Disc BD, that shows a little bit of the discs artworks!



Can't wait for Oct. 6! Or for someone in the forum to receive it early and show it to us!

Looks like the DVD artwork isn't gonna be much. Disney's REALLY pushing Blu.

How? If you look at the DVD their are clouds in the background...the blue background is for the blu ray. I really don't see this at all as something their really trying to push.

Disneykid wrote:"The One That Started It All" Documentary
- ?? (4:05)
- ?? (16:26)

...

I'm sure we'll get more features classified soon (the documentary's got to be longer than 20 minutes), and I'll probably make another post like this just before release date as a clearer indicator of what we're getting.

I'm wondering if the BBC classifications that we have seen so far for "The One That Started It All" aren't merely segments? Some of the making-of features have been individual parts that make up a 45 minute feature. The reviewer said:

The most notable omission is the 2001 retrospective making-of featurette, which has been replaced by a new documentary more similar in tone to those found on other recent Disney DVDs.

I personally take that to mean that it will be 45 - 60 minutes in length. Maybe that is just wishful thinking though.

Disney Duster wrote:

The previous heroines were strong and stood up for themselves, too! Did Snow White make it through the forest on her own, yes or no? Did she think to ask the animals where to live, yes or no? Did she seem to take charge of the dwarfs and the cottage, yes or no? Did Cinderella say "well, why not?" when her stepfamily made fun of her going to the ball, yes or no? It's all YES.

I should have been more clear. I didn't mean to imply that the previous princesses weren't strong characters. The main difference between the six main princesses (Snow White through Jasmine) and the more recent ones (Pocahontas, Mulan, Giselle) are that the most recent three save the day rather than waiting for their Prince to do it. Pocahontas jumps in front of John Smith at his execution. Mulan saves China. Giselle ultimately defeats Narissa. This is something that they changed for the Broadway version of The Little Mermaid. Instead of Eric defeating Ursula, Ariel does it. That's what I meant when I said the heroines in those films are strong. They are a reflection of the "girl power" movement of the mid-late 90's and are more reflective of modern society's view of women being equal to men.

CampbellzSoup wrote:

zackisthewalrus wrote: Looks like the DVD artwork isn't gonna be much. Disney's REALLY pushing Blu.

How? If you look at the DVD their are clouds in the background...the blue background is for the blu ray. I really don't see this at all as something their really trying to push.

What it looks like to me is like the Cinderella and Little Mermaid DVDs where it's just a clear disc with clip art put on it that doesn't cover the whole disc. That's what I was getting at. The Blu disc art covers the whole disc, for less scratching, while the DVD has more clear parts where it could get scratched more. I guess it's not PUSHING Blu-ray, but whatever.

zackisthewalrus wrote:What it looks like to me is like the Cinderella and Little Mermaid DVDs where it's just a clear disc with clip art put on it that doesn't cover the whole disc. That's what I was getting at. The Blu disc art covers the whole disc, for less scratching, while the DVD has more clear parts where it could get scratched more. I guess it's not PUSHING Blu-ray, but whatever.

Well, Disney's Blu-Ray discs all have uniformity. With the exception of Ratatouille, all of them are navy blue with the right side fading into an image and the title on the top, which is the format of the Snow White discs shown. And as you said, the DVD appears to be in league with Cinderella and Little Mermaid, which is a style that Disney has applied to previous Platinum Editions. I don't think it has anything to do with them trying to make the Blu-Ray discs more appealing, especially since consumers can't see the discs until they open the case. Heck, with the way Disney has lacked disc art on DVDs recently, it's probably lucky that they are still doing it for the Platinum/Diamond Editions (and Hannah Montana movie, but whatever Disney ). If they really wanted to make Blu-Ray stand out, they would make the case glitter as if embedded with diamonds and put the DVD in an unappealing, heaven forbid slipcoverless package (that's for you Escapay).

goofystitch wrote:I should have been more clear. I didn't mean to imply that the previous princesses weren't strong characters. The main difference between the six main princesses (Snow White through Jasmine) and the more recent ones (Pocahontas, Mulan, Giselle) are that the most recent three save the day rather than waiting for their Prince to do it. Pocahontas jumps in front of John Smith at his execution. Mulan saves China. Giselle ultimately defeats Narissa. This is something that they changed for the Broadway version of The Little Mermaid. Instead of Eric defeating Ursula, Ariel does it. That's what I meant when I said the heroines in those films are strong. They are a reflection of the "girl power" movement of the mid-late 90's and are more reflective of modern society's view of women being equal to men.

Actually if you noticed, Giselle only stabs Narissa, it is really Pip, a male chipmunk, who defeats Narissa by making her fall to her death from the tower. Giselle just saves Robert, much like Ariel saved Eric. Oops. And Cinderella defeated Lady Tremaine with the other slipper. Oops. I guess those pre-90's girls are just a little to powerful and strong, huh?