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awallaceunc wrote:

PatrickVD wrote:And yeah, there are way more important matters in the world.

I can't think of one.

PatrickVD wrote:It's annoying how this whole case has gone political, I find it hard to imagine that in times like these, politicians apparently don't have anything better to do.

It hasn't gone political. It's been political. It's in the hands of the court, who establishes binding legal precedent that potentially effects the life of every American were they to find themselves or someone they know in the same position. It's also a matter of congressional legislation as our society must again decide what we allow and don't in terms of life and death.

-Aaron

I guess you're right about that. It's just that sometimes it's hard for me to imagine how things work in America, I'm Dutch, we have a completely different way of thinking I guess.

And I can think of so many more important matters in this world, listing them all would cause the bandwith limit to exceed ...big time. Anyway, I'm already going into this much furhter than I want to, I think we're on opposite ends of this thing and debating would be silly. Also, your comprehension of the English language is so much better than mine, half of the time I would not know what to say Right now I'm sure she's in a better place, and my thoughts are with her parents.

Fair enough, Patrick. When I speak of important issues, I simply mean that human life is as important as it gets. I should've considered that you probably don't know all the ins and outs of our complicated legal system, being from Holland.

-Aaron

Human life is important but what I thought of when he made that comment was that all around the world lives are being lost and on a grander scale.

awallaceunc wrote:Well that's unfortunate, that you can't distinguish an ideological viewpoint from a violent extremist. I could say the same for a whole host of people who side with the liberals (I could even throw out the "hypocrite" term, which inherently implies hypocrisy itself- at least in most cases) who have threatened/acted on violence as well, but I realize how ridiculous that is.

Oh you do, do you? Than I suppose you'll refrain from making further statements such as that. The other thing I would add is you might be surprised to learn that some people think before they say/type something.

Anyway, this whole issue has been a very disturbing liberal v conservative thing at several stages. And the conservatives don't ever seem too concerned about what Terri would/would-have wanted, so if you side with the conservatives because you're trying to prove another petty negative thing about liberals, you obviously aren't too worried about the people who suffer most from these kinds of situations and tragedies. Start with that man in the mirror, Aaron...

This would never have been a problem in Norway.

She would have been alive and it would have been illigal to stop the food.

She was not brain dead like many people have reported, but she was brain damaged. To live she needed food thru some mecanics just like the Pope is getting right now. All hear body fuctions were operating like normal, she was only unable to eat for hearself.

In Norway this would be the same as taking a life, and the doctors stoping the food could be charged of murder.

And nobody knows how much she was able to understand what was going on because she never got any threatment to recover from the demages. Imidiatly after the husband won 2 million dollars he asked to get his wife killed and all threatment stoped.

I belive in God and that all life is sacret, so was Terris life.

So although it's my birthday today and I should feel happy, I realy can't. American courts has allowed the killing of a living person.

Oh Karlsen, that's exactly what we need. More emotionalism and overdramatization. Incidentally, congratulations on your Birthday. So what- that makes you... 80? 90?

As heartless as this may sound.. I'm glad to hear she passed.. It was a media circus, nothing less.. Political and non.. everybody jumped in to get the "perfect picture" taken so they can use it to further along the career.

And, if you think I'm wrong.. wait about a week, nobody will remember her, and Wacko Jacko will be the new main attraction of the circus.

Karlsen, Your entitled to believe in your god as you do.. Doesn't mean that the rest of the world is wrong.

Lazario wrote:

awallaceunc wrote:Well that's unfortunate, that you can't distinguish an ideological viewpoint from a violent extremist. I could say the same for a whole host of people who side with the liberals (I could even throw out the "hypocrite" term, which inherently implies hypocrisy itself- at least in most cases) who have threatened/acted on violence as well, but I realize how ridiculous that is.

Oh you do, do you? Than I suppose you'll refrain from making further statements such as that. The other thing I would add is you might be surprised to learn that some people think before they say/type something.

Anyway, this whole issue has been a very disturbing liberal v conservative thing at several stages. And the conservatives don't ever seem too concerned about what Terri would/would-have wanted, so if you side with the conservatives because you're trying to prove another petty negative thing about liberals, you obviously aren't too worried about the people who suffer most from these kinds of situations and tragedies. Start with that man in the mirror, Aaron...

First, your tone towards myself, Karlsen, and others is entirely uncalled for, and is hardly an asset for the community. In Karlsen's case in particular, you respond to substance with name-calling and hatefulness, and even mock his birthday (which doesn't make much sense, I might add, nor do I get your point of calling him old).

"Further such statements" as what, exactly? That there are extremists on both sides of the "aisle"? I'm not sure I follow.

And I assume you're implying I don't think before I type something. Well, judging from the ire in your posts I would say that the shoe is on the other foot, but at any rate, I'm sorry you feel that way.

The entire conservative stance is built around what Terri may/may not have wanted. For that matter, so is the liberal stance. The fact is that we don't know for certain what she wanted and the two sides differ on what should be done in a case like that.

I don't side with conservatives to prove anything about liberals. That would seem sort of pointless, if I didn't already side with conservatives in the first place, wouldn't it? Again, I don't really understand what you're getting at here.

I'm not sure who you think I am worried about then, if not the victims, or on what grounds you make these assumptions, but I can assure you that that they are the ones about which I am concerned.

Man in the mirror? We're talking about the Schiavo case here, not the Jackson one.

-Aaron

Well , she died so I dont think that is good to talk more about her.

It's good to talk though, atleast about the situation. Because of what happened more people will be making living wills and that.
I don't have one yet but I've been told by people since I was 19 to get one.

awallaceunc wrote:

PatrickVD wrote:And yeah, there are way more important matters in the world.

I can't think of one.

Well, this seems an appropriate parallel.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... nworld-hed

And there's also these other matters, and they're all from just the last 24 hours:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... lnutrition

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7336592/

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/interna ... 91,00.html

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document ... D20064B512

Well with the exception of the torture stories (which is categorically less important that Schiavo's case... that's not to say unimportant), I think all those other links are the same issue... human life. As I explained, that's what I mean by there's no more important issue (the issue of life).

-Aaron

I think the end of the South Park summed it all up perfectly. I recommend everyone it to everyone here on both sides of the debate. They said:

The one group of people are right for all of the wrong reasons. The other group is wrong for all of the right reasons.

In other words, I guess without a living will, its all opinion. Everyone has their own on this case and all feel theirs is the right one. But the only real right one was Terri's and we'll never know for sure what that was.

Personally, I don't think she would have wanted to live like that. It was bulimia that put her in that position to begin with, so she was obviously concerned about her appearance. To live in that degenerative state, then to be shown like that on NATIONAL TELEVISION for so long isn't how I think she'd want to be remembered. I know I wouldn't, but again, this is just my opinion.

The only real good thing to come out of all of this is that its brought up the subject of living wills and why its really important to let your loved ones know what you actually want to happen in case a situation like this occurs.

well, poot Terry Schiavo, but now the world is with te Pope.