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yendor wrote:That Jayden would deem them Platinum-worthy makes me question his/her level of sophistication.

Excuse me? How dare you insult my level of sophistication! Because I like different movies than you does not mean that I am any less sophisticated. Movies are a matter of personal taste and a "good" movie can not be objectionally ascertained. There is no such thing. I dislike some of the movies you listed as being "platinum-worthy" (Dumbo, Cinderella, and 101 Dalmatians), but you do not see me throwing a personal insult at you.

There are many on this board and outside of it who would agree with my stated opinions on these movies as well, so it's not just a matter of one person being completely strange.

Do not come onto this board and start hurling insults around at members just because they state opinions that differ from your own.

singerguy04 wrote:honestly if disney weere to add more platinum editions i would be furious. the platinum line just needs to end after the 14. As for the other movies just release them as SE or ME.

I think that we should consider what we think the Disney Company should do with the Blue-Ray releases. The thought occured to me that they should release all the Theatrical releases in a huge collection. This way they wouldn't really detatch them from the other movies and then we wouldn't have this problem of "which movie is better". My idea is to realease them all with a roman numeral along the spine marking in what place they are in in realease. fr example Snow White- I, The Lion king- XXXIII, The Black Cauldron- XXVI. I got that idea from Beauty and the Beast and it's sequels. I think this will make them uniform but yet they could do whatever they want with the cover. I just find making an ultimate collection of all the disney movies appealing.

A great idea! A boxed set including every Disney film is a great idea that I would jump on board for in a second. However, just releasing the movies like this would take away a lot of sales because of a) the price of the darned thing (You're talking almost 50 discs!) and b) people not willing to shell out for the whole set when it includes movies they don't like. Personally I wouldn't care, I'd love to get it!

BTW, The Black Cauldron was XXV not XXVI

the reason I want to see the titles I mentioned is because the Platinum line seems to be made of the movies that defined the Disney pantheon of animated classics, sure some SE's are superior but they still don't have the "platinum" name in it (I'm sorry I'm vain )

Here is my new list of movies I want to see in the Platinum line:

Dumbo - one of Walt's first 5, it deserves the respect.

The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh - there is a reason why there are hordes of Pooh fans out there.

The Rescuers - Given that someone posted earlier that this was a box office success, it deserves to be the film to represent the post-Walt dark ages before the renaissance. it should be packed with both the first and the sequel, because I think both were great.

Pocahontas - This movie was a huge turning point for Disney in that it had historical characters and not to mention one of the most well-done scores in the entire Disney canon.

Mulan - hugely underrated, Mulan showed that Disney could tackle oriental legends just as well as western ones.

Lilo and Stitch - the last great hit of the animation studios and deserves to be deemed a 'calssic'

titles I feel deserves to be Platinum but not as much as the ones mentioned above:

Tarzan - technologically innovative and it's Tarzan...'nuff said

Alice in Wonderland - not the best Disney-era classic but since Sleeping Beauty is there, why not?

films I feel should NOT be part of the Platinum line:

Toy Story - not only was it not done by Disney but it was CG, the Platinum line are only for completely traditional animation.

The Song of the South - great movie but it isn't completely animated. live action/animated films deserve a line of their own as does CG.


and in defense of the films which are part of the Platinum line but are deemed unworthy by posters above...

101 Dalmatians - sure Walt didn't like the way it was done but it was a huge financial success (the primary criteria for the original 10 platinums) that spawned many a sequel and even live action versions.

Cinderella - also a box-office hit, I don't see how anyone could even have the balls to disrespect this film, it is a timeless tale that brought in the 2nd golden age of Disney animation.

Lady and the Tramp - this was a huge financial success in its time and was the first to feature dogs in a love story and was also the first to be featured (at the time) a more recent timeline it is also one of the company's more memorable love stories.

The Lion King - "highest grossing traditionally animated film of all time"....ponder on that for a moment.

Th Jungle Book - not only was it Walt's last animated film but it was also a huge box-office success in its time (again, the primary criteria for the original 10 platinums)

I think Peter Pan should be one because its my favorite disney movie and also its a really good movie and Also I would like Hercules to be a platinum edition.

don't worry, Peter Pan was added to the line 2 years ago.

yendor wrote:As for Jayden's criteria for inclusion in the Platinum line, I agree with most of them...but stuff like "Black Cauldron" and "Robin Hood" are far from the class of "Song of the South." What Oscar winning songs came from Cauldron and Robin Hood? Gee, maybe none?

You know, I personally couldn't care less what songs the Oscar paid tribute to.. Just my opinion!

Really, given the 14 they already have, I dont see the need for more. Possibly, Alice in Wonderland belongs but really nothing else is crying out at me as being the best of the best.

DisneyFan 2000 wrote:

yendor wrote:As for Jayden's criteria for inclusion in the Platinum line, I agree with most of them...but stuff like "Black Cauldron" and "Robin Hood" are far from the class of "Song of the South." What Oscar winning songs came from Cauldron and Robin Hood? Gee, maybe none?

You know, I personally couldn't care less what songs the Oscar paid tribute to.. Just my opinion!

Bingo! Disneyfan2000 is exactly right. Who really cares about what songs the Oscar judges deemed worthy for recognition? If The Aviator won the Best Picture Oscar, that wouldn't necessarily mean it was a better picture than, say, Ray. Do you just recognize those songs which recieved Oscars? Songs are another matter of personal taste. However, like most other things you seem to think that whether or not they are good can be measured objectionally, when they can't.

And just for the record, I think "O-De-Lally" beats the heck out of "Zip-a-dee-doo-da" any day. But that's opinion, and I respect the opinions of others when they post what songs they like. Perhaps you should start doing the same

Sorry to everyone else for this, I've just been insulted and I must respond.

yendor wrote:(12) The Lion King: you know, I really don't know why people love this movie so much. I hated it! Loud, obnoxious (the singing voice of the young lion made me cringe), and just too crude in spots! What IS the appeal of this film?

HOORAY! A PERSON WITH A DIFFERENT OPINION ABOUT THE LION KING!!! Don't get me wrong, I like the movie, but all I see is "Masterpiece" and "Treasure", when it is basically colorful, musical version of Bambi...Good for you yendor!

Maybe you "don't care" what songs Oscar deems worthy, but you can bet that Walt most certainly did (during his lifetime), and the Disney organization puts MILLIONS into Oscar campaigns. So whether you "care" or not, having Oscar affiliated with a film immediately increases box office and paves the way for stuff like Platinum editions.

"Song of the South" contains not only an Oscar-winning song, but one that has become a standard. Everybody knows the title, and just about everybody can hum at least part of it. How many people are familiar with O-De-Lally? Get real.

Rod

The very fact that you'd list "Cinderella" and "Dumbo" as unworthy of the Platinum treatment shows me your level of sophistication is caught somewhere between The Three Stooges and The Family Guy. But you think "Robin Hood" is more worthy? Whoa!

Rod

Jayden wrote:Lady and the Tramp: The worst of the movies going into the Platinum line by far. I don't know what the appeal of this one is, but it's not my choice. I would keep it out of the line up myself.

LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LAAA!!!

...I'm not listening...I'm not listening...

yanya wrote:

Jayden wrote:Lady and the Tramp: The worst of the movies going into the Platinum line by far. I don't know what the appeal of this one is, but it's not my choice. I would keep it out of the line up myself.

LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LAAA!!!

...I'm not listening...I'm not listening...

LoL, I agree, but it is Jayden's opinion.

yendor wrote:The very fact that you'd list "Cinderella" and "Dumbo" as unworthy of the Platinum treatment shows me your level of sophistication is caught somewhere between The Three Stooges and The Family Guy. But you think "Robin Hood" is more worthy? Whoa!

Rod

To assume you know everything about me from my Disney movie preferences is incredibly pompous and egotistic of you. You know NOTHING about me, my level of sophistication, or my life. So sod off with the personal attacks against me. I stated my opinions, and I respected yours. So why don't you do the same thing, and just accept my opinions for what they are. If you don't like them, then so be it. But to attack me personally, that goes to show how shallow you really are. Grow up a bit before posting again.

And just so you know, I am very well versed in the classic works of literature (Books like Lord of the Rings, The Once And Future King, and The Illiad and The Odyssey (Do you even know what those last two books are?)), and history. I am currently attending Law School, and will soon be graduating with my LLB and start practicing as a Lawyer once I finish.

Until you grow up and start respecting other peoples attitudes (Like other people on this board) don't post another attack against me, as I'm not going to even give you the time of day anymore until YOU become more sophisticated, and beyond personal attacks on people you don't even know.

Yeah, Jayden is just giving his opinion; respect it. He can like whatever he likes, too. I don't know a thing about Song of the South, I don't know its songs, and whatever!!! I personally like "I Won't Say I'm in Love", "I Wonder" and other songs much more than others like "Zip-a-dee-doo-dah", and I don't care if it won an Oscar or not, I just like them more. And about Cinderella, I also find it odd he doesn't think it deserves to be a PE even if currently I detest Cinderella, but whatever!!! It's his opinion and he has a reason for it; perhaps he just didn't like it much, which is no big deal!

yendor wrote:Maybe you "don't care" what songs Oscar deems worthy, but you can bet that Walt most certainly did (during his lifetime), and the Disney organization puts MILLIONS into Oscar campaigns. So whether you "care" or not, having Oscar affiliated with a film immediately increases box office and paves the way for stuff like Platinum editions.

"Song of the South" contains not only an Oscar-winning song, but one that has become a standard. Everybody knows the title, and just about everybody can hum at least part of it. How many people are familiar with O-De-Lally? Get real.

Rod

Actually the main criteria for the Platinum Line is a movie's box office grosses not wether it won awards or not (that's just a bonus) Normal movie-goers don't really care all that much if it's an Oscar success or not, most of the platinum line haven't even been mentioned in any Oscar categories.

And since we're talking about "getting real" the only reason Zip-a-dee-doo-da is still vaguely recognizable is because Disney as a company pimped it so much that it just got stuck in people's heads as a 'disney' song, more people would recognize it with Splash Mountain before they say Song of the South. nobody really remembers "Song of the South" the movie, it's just as forgotten as Robin Hood (no offense to fans but realistically, ask the average non-disney obsessed person...)

And Mary Poppins is much more of a standard than Song of the South.

I would cut some off... 10 were more than enough... I'd only exchange Jungle Book (out) for Sleeping Beauty (in)....

I mean, there are only 44 classics... what's the deal of having 30% (or more) of them as part of an "exclusive" line meant for the "best"...

I would have Platinum Collection line for the top 10
Masterpiece Editions fot the next 10
and Gold Collection fot the rest (but GC 2 disc sets!)


anyway... it's just a name and it doesn't matter that much...

Ric-Mx wrote:I would cut some off... 10 were more than enough... I'd only exchange Jungle Book (out) for Sleeping Beauty (in)....

I mean, there are only 44 classics... what's the deal of having 30% (or more) of them as part of an "exclusive" line meant for the "best"...

I would have Platinum Collection line for the top 10
Masterpiece Editions fot the next 10
and Gold Collection fot the rest (but GC 2 disc sets!)


anyway... it's just a name and it doesn't matter that much...

I was going to argue with you about the SLEEPING BEAUTY PE being OUT and keeping the JUNGLE BOOK IN...

but then I read the last line, "it's just a name..."
so I've decided not to bring up a debate on that!

aww please argue I love reading arguments...... I made this thread so people could argue I'm sorry I'm evil

Ha! I find it very telling that Jayden so haughtily informs us that he/she's studying Law, all the while throwing classic book titles out and asking "do you even know what those last books are?" Such blather! Methinks said Jayden needs to chill out and take a little of his/her own advice: stop being so pompous. If you're in law school, great! I'm the President of an Ivy League college! That doesn't change the fact that your comments about Robin Hood and other lowly Disney "gems" reveal a less sophisticated side to your persona. Sorry to burst your bubble of self-esteem, but your own words speak for themselves.

"Robin Hood" is nowhere near the class of films like "Cinderella" and "Song of the South." For one, "Robin" doesn't bear the stamp of Walt's involvement, and neither are his classic animators involved. The scores of both South and Cinderella trounce the music of Roger Miller, best known for "King of the Road," a country hit! Jayden, if you were in court defending your stance, I'm afraid you'd be on the losing end.

And when, may I ask, have you ever seen Song of the South? If you bought a bootleg from Europe, then I find it odd you would go to such lengths. And since the film hasn't been in release since 1980 (and you're just in law school), were you an infant? Personally, I don't think you've ever seen the film! Oh, wait, maybe you bought Disney's "Sing-a-Long" songs and watched the clip. Yeah, that's it!

Rod