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Luke wrote:The Throne Room ending is sufficient, it's just that the

is simply not as tight and engaging as the rest

ssshhhhhh.. He may hear you and get ideas that he should do a completely new ending for the blue ones...

Has Lucas really thought this through? Does the Emperor now have to tell Vader that the Skywalker in the rebels is his son? He already knows a Skywalker is involved with the rebels. I mean, I know Hayden's not portrayed Anakin as the brightest star in the sky, but would Vader really be surprised? I mean how many Skywalkers does he know of? Based on the prequels to date, the whole family is virtually killed off. (And judging from Ben's line about his father wanting Luke to have the lightsaber, it seems likely Anakin/Vader knows of his children).

Was there any logic at all in adding the new dialogue for the Emperor in the new sequence in Empire? Does it actually make any sense given Vader's acknowlegement of "Skywalker" before? Is he just adding things because he thinks there're "kwel" ideas now?

And this leads me to another logic flaw. Based on the prequels, Anakin actually visited the farm where Luke eventually grows up. Now I suppose, like most continuity references, this was done simply to please the fans (no problem).

But it also means Anakin knows of the location where Luke grows up. Now, one would assume Luke, like Leia, was sort of meant to be kept in secret; he was certainly unaware of his own destiny. So why the flip is he brought up in a place Vader knows, and more stupidly is still called "Skywalker". How's that going to keep him safe from Darth Vader and the Emperor? What was Lucas thinking about then? Obviously, not the trilogy, sextology, or neufology. It just defies all logic.

Perhaps in the next editions, all references to Luke Skywalker can be changed until after the truth is revealed to him at the end of Empire?

You raise good points, JR. I think by now, Lucas is pretty much just winging it. But look at how much more complete "Star Wars" is now that he's had an additional 7 years to work on the CGI Jabba!

Vader was always searching for Skywalker at the start of Empire, and he always played dumb to the Emperor. In both versions of the scene, it is plain that Vader does not really want to kill his son; he would rather use him to overthrow Palpatine.

As for placing Luke on Tatooine and the homestead, it makes sense in a twisted sort of way. Anakin experienced a great tragedy there, so he would really not want to return to the place that caused him such grief if he could help it. Tatooine is out of the way, so Luke would not make galactic headlines, and Vader would likely never hear the name "Skywalker."

2099net wrote:I mean, I know Hayden's not portrayed Anakin as the brightest star in the sky, but would Vader really be surprised?

Does it actually make any sense given Vader's acknowlegement of "Skywalker" before? Is he just adding things because he thinks there're "kwel" ideas now?

I'm not one to defend all of George's changes, but I think this one definately has intelligence behind it.

The rule of the sith is: there can only be 2. One is always trying to kill the other off, one is always plotting against the other one. Palpatine wants Luke to kill Vader to take his place as apprentice (as evidenced in ROTJ) and Vader wants Luke to destroy Palpatine (as evidenced in TESB).

So, its my belief (I derrive this from watching the movies only, not some fanboy-made-up-stuff) that Vader is searching for Luke Skywalker behind Emperor Palpatine's back. He wants to convert Luke before the Emperor can get to him, so Luke can kill the Emperor.

THAT is why Vader plays dumb in the TESB hologram scene. That's why he says "How is that possible?" He doesn't want the Emperor to know what hes doing.

OK - two posts explaning the change, which I can accept. But it still sucks and was totally not needed. If for no other reason that for people watching the "original" trilogy for the first time without seeing the prequels, it totally spoils the dramatic reveal at the end of Empire.

Vader: "Luke, I am your father."
Viewer: "[Yawn] We know, the Emperor told us earlier in the film."

If you are watching the movies in 1-6 order, it will already be painfully obvious that Vader is Luke and Leia's father. The scene where Vader reveals it to Luke is all about Luke's reaction to it and the turmoil it causes in Luke's mind.

2099net wrote:Vader: "Luke, I am your father."
Viewer: "[Yawn] We know, the Emperor told us earlier in the film."

But the Emperor doesn't spoil it. He says "the son of Anakin Skywalker." If someone were watching the OT for the first time, they would still think Vader and Anakin were two different people, from Obi-Wan's dialogue in SW:ANH. Therefore, it doesn't really spoil anything.

THX Ltd.(TM) Breaks New Ground With Star Wars Trilogy DVD Set

Company Develops New Processes and Workflow Efficiencies for Mastering Films to the DVD
Format

BURBANK, Calif., Sept. 28 /PRNewswire/ -- When consumers watch the STAR WARS TRILOGY DVD,
they'll be treated to a presentation that was developed using groundbreaking, new DVD
mastering and quality control (QC) processes. THX spent more than a year working on the STAR
WARS TRILOGY project, which included developing new techniques for mastering films to DVD.
The improvements have resulted in a sound and picture experience that sets a new standard
for presentation excellence in the DVD format.

The STAR WARS TRILOGY four-disc set was released by Lucasfilm Ltd. and Twentieth Century Fox
Home Entertainment last week, and includes Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope; Star Wars
Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back; and Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi. Each film
has been mastered to DVD by THX Digital Works, and has received the highly coveted THX
Certification.

"When Star Wars was first released in 1977, it set a new standard for moviemaking and the
expectation for the DVD release is equally high," said David Dancyger, general manager of
THX Digital Works. "Our team of skilled technicians worked closely with Lucasfilm and ILM to
develop new DVD mastering and QC techniques, delivering a DVD experience that surpasses
anything achieved to date in the DVD format."

The digital mastering and THX Certification processes started with the transfer of each
title from its original film elements to high-definition (HD) video masters. THX then began
applying advanced QC processes to ensure that the sound and visual integrity of the films
were maintained as they moved through the DVD production chain. As the films moved through
mastering, compression and disc check, THX analyzed the presentation frame-by-frame to
ensure the color palette and integrity of the image remained true to George Lucas' original
vision for each film.

______________________________________

maybe the audio cables at that facility are all written in Lucasian symbols...

2099net wrote:Vader: "Luke, I am your father."

Kind of off-topic, but why does everyone assume Vader starts that statement with "Luke"? He doesn't actually. Yet anytime it's quoted, that's how it goes. Even James Earl Jones erroneously quotes that line in the documentary.

Mildly interesting, anyway. You'd notice it more if you had the name.

Wow it looks like a week after these releases, the bar has been raised. And we just didn't know about it!

Carry on!

I noticed that too, Luke. I used to mention it all the time to those who misquoted it, but now I just let it be. It's kinda like the "You love me, you really love me" thing.

Oh, and by the way . . .

Luke, I am your father!!!!!111111 LOLZ!!!11

Luke wrote:

2099net wrote:Vader: "Luke, I am your father."

Kind of off-topic, but why does everyone assume Vader starts that statement with "Luke"? He doesn't actually. Yet anytime it's quoted, that's how it goes. Even James Earl Jones erroneously quotes that line in the documentary.

Mildly interesting, anyway. You'd notice it more if you had the name.

Wow it looks like a week after these releases, the bar has been raised. And we just didn't know about it!

Carry on!

I keep thinking about that! Everybody ALWAYS says "Luke, I am your father", when in ESB he actuallys says "No, I am your father". I think the first rendition is much more powerful but it still works fine. I was so confused prior to this DVD release as to which version was sayed in the film.

You think this bar was raised with Star Wars, you won't believe this report on Blu-Ray from Home Theater Forum: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum ... did=212575 So far, this format looks awesome and miles ahead of HDDVD. Who could give up ": full 1920 H x 1080 V High Definition video" and new lossless PCM 9.1 CH Digital surround sound? Check it out!

Luke, my name is mentioned in many movies and lips so i also tend to notice things like that too. You are not alone

the reason it says No, I am your father is of course because the previous dialogue's Luke's answer to DV's question of "do you know what happened to your father?" "Yes obi wan told me, you killed him" which then is the more shocking cus err Luke trusted Obi wan...

Btw, it DID say "Luke I am your father" in the 9.5 mm french format silent version but that was digitally altered and has new subtitles now

yoda_four wrote:You think this bar was raised with Star Wars, you won't believe this report on Blu-Ray from Home Theater Forum:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum ... did=212575 So far, this format looks awesome and miles ahead of HDDVD. Who could give up ": full 1920 H x 1080 V High Definition video" and new lossless PCM 9.1 CH Digital surround sound? Check it out!

well I could, since I know you can have 5632 H x 2048 V on Blue-Ray with an H.264 or WM9 codec.

And not that i'm against PCM uncompressed sound but i think that sound right now (in the form of full DTS) is already miles ahead than the picture which even in 1.78 1080 HDef doesnt reach 2.40 Anamorphic Panavision quality, much less 50 year old 70mm so before i have 9.1 umcompressed PCM STAR WARS with 1920 x 800 pixels, I'd prefer a 9.1 DTS STAR WARS with 3600 x 1500 pixels (so the VistaVision SFX look as good as they did on 70mm). Of course with the surrounds switching places once again


but now, all kidding aside, yoda_four cool post! thankyu thankyu you all know i'm all for the blue disc party

deathie mouse wrote:Luke, my name is mentioned in many movies and lips so i also tend to notice things like that too. You are not alone

the reason it says No, I am your father is of course because the previous dialogue's Luke's answer to DV's question of "do you know what happened to your father?" "Yes obi wan told me, you killed him" which then is the more shocking cus err Luke trusted Obi wan...

Btw, it DID say "Luke I am your father" in the 9.5 mm french format silent version but that was digitally altered and has new subtitles now

yoda_four wrote:You think this bar was raised with Star Wars, you won't believe this report on Blu-Ray from Home Theater Forum:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum ... did=212575 So far, this format looks awesome and miles ahead of HDDVD. Who could give up ": full 1920 H x 1080 V High Definition video" and new lossless PCM 9.1 CH Digital surround sound? Check it out!

well I could, since I know you can have 5632 H x 2048 V on Blue-Ray with an H.264 or WM9 codec.

And not that i'm against PCM uncompressed sound but i think that sound right now (in the form of full DTS) is already miles ahead than the picture which even in 1.78 1080 HDef doesnt reach 2.40 Anamorphic Panavision quality, much less 50 year old 70mm so before i have 9.1 umcompressed PCM STAR WARS with 1920 x 800 pixels, I'd prefer a 9.1 DTS STAR WARS with 3600 x 1500 pixels (so the VistaVision SFX look as good as they did on 70mm). Of course with the surrounds switching places once again


but now, all kidding aside, yoda_four cool post! thankyu thankyu you all know i'm all for the blue disc party

Of course I'm all for the best quality picture possible (I've always had a biased to video over audio), be it in 5632 H x 2048 V or whatnot; but I just thought it was nice to know that we will probably get something better than HDTV's 720p/1080i. I'm anticipating the day that Lowry's "Next Gen" 4K resolution HD are obsolete!

All in all, considering many HDTVs can only show "ED", or are selective over the 720p/1080i, and don't even offer HDMI; I think these new Blu-Ray "early" specs are quite a good start. deathie: heard anything about when Firewire 800 might be used over DVI/HDMI?

yes i agree yoda_four those blue ray specs are great, at 800 x 1920 Panavision is at least a big leap forward from the 500 x1280 one that would have arrived in the 720p HD-DVDs (which would look just twice as wide as a Pan Scan NTSC DVD basically)

I just want to keep on pushing it till it reaches 2048 lines vertically cus that about the practical limit of the eye but hey at least it seems were gonna get bigger blue discs that smaller "hd" ones and 9.1 sound will be cooler still (as long as it's not THX plugging the audio cables )

I think Ben Hur had 8 channel sound on the original theatrical presentation (6 discrete and the extra two Perpectra coded)

About FireWire800 (and Mac hardware in general) i haven't been following too closely lately but hey they seem to be going well (hey Lowry uses lotsa them) and they are the ones pushing for the H.264 codec, and with all this cables and connectors becoming the alphabet soup with a new one every day (DVI-I, DVD-D, Scart, HDMI, Yub Ypbpr Ycrcb).

But the higher the definition of the picture, the "thicker" the pipeline must be so Firewire800 is like 100 MB/second theoretically isnt it? (current DVD is 1.25 MB/second)
Some of the LCD high resolution displays like the IBM 22" 2400 x 3800 and the Apple 30" 1600 x 2560 already need special video cards that handle multiple DVI/streams cus 1 is not enough. So we need "thicker" conecting standarts.

Also Lowry and others should keep increasing scanning resolution till it can extract all the detail of film (probably at one point between 6k and 10 k for 35mm that will happen) cus those are masters that have to be preserved and manipulated to make the 2K x 5.6K presentation videos we'll watch in the future.
You need the higher resolution so when "downrezing" it the pixels don't get mushed and the resolution ends up being less than it should (like 1080 lines that only had really 900 distintive pixels instead of 1080 in a HDTV example, and on my dream blue disc 2048 vertical that migh not be filled up if downcoverted from something not much more than twice the 2048, cus,

as you may know when you read a number like Lowry 4k it means 4k across the width of one inch. (the width of an 35 mm image) so 35mm at "4K" is about 3k vertically (70mm is about 1" tall by 2" wide) while video format numbers are stated in the vertical dimension (480i, 720p, 1080i, etc) (so HDTV is "1.9k")

and what does this have to do with STAR WARS?

nothing, just that the Star Destroyer in its original negative had 3.6K wide

I want STAR WARS in the true OAR!

(original aspect resolution )


well i had to connect it to the topic somehow

ok

after reading netty's post and the answers, I went back to that place I don't wanna go: The place where one tries to make logic about the star wars films a place that was lost between empire and jedi :P


if we go by the new gospel of lucas, leia and luke are vaders sons, and vaders mother was killed in tantooine and holy cow, at the begining of STAR WARS leia if flying over tantoooine and sends vader's droids into tantooooine with a message to obi wan who happens to reside on tantoooooine and the droids end up in luke's house on tantooooooine and vader sends a search and destroy party without his direct supervision into tantoooooooine which tracks the droids to vaders exfamily's house on tantooooooooine and kills everebody inside (sheer luck luke wasn't there cus he tooooo woulda been killed) and vader doesn't even blink or makes a connection and later he gets into a closed room with his daghter and used drugs and all his powers (especially if you hear the national public radio version he does a vulcan mind meld with her :P) and even tho he's so full of midocloridians he's gonna explode he can't even realize he's mind probing his own daughter, mm i guess qui-gon was much better than the most powerful jedi in detecting mitocondrias err i mean midocloridians and later when he's chasing luke through the death star trenches he's shooting at his own son but he doesnt know it good thing luke's "force" field protected him from his own fatther's murdering shots the force works in misterious ways and obi wan is mysoginist cus he dont believe girls are good jedis cus luke was his last hope, etc etc, ok i'll stop now cus my brain is oozing tantooooooooooine marmalade

I'm sure if this keeps up on return of the sith there might be an CGI explanation in which it's revealed that Anakin knew everything all along and was playing the field cus he's really a good boy at heart and he knew that the only way to overthrow palpatine was to play bad for several decades till he was alone in the room with him and his son lukey. yeah that's the ticket.

ok i'll go play white rabbit from jefferson stardestroyer some more

my apologies to all SW fans.

Hey, Deathie Mouse. Don't get me wrong. I'm not against all this "continuity" and "coincidences". To a major extent is just how the genre works and appeals to it's audiences.

I mean, is the continuity of the Star Wars prequels any more unbelieveable than the relationships between most of the vampires in Buffy/Angel?

It is full of more coincidences as Spider-Man? Stan Lee made the decision in retrospect to have Normal Osborne as the Green Goblin years after both characters first appeared? Just as Lucas appears to have made some of these decisions in retrospect after the original trilogy. But it's okay.

Look at Doctor Who. The Doctor, the Master and the Rani all went to the Academy on Gallifrey together? What are the odds? Look at the X-Files. Mulder's father happened to be involved in the conspiracy? Who'd have thought? Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings... The list of series filled with continuity and coincidence is vast. There's nothing wrong with it. It's cool and it's something for the fans (although some of the things I'm reading about Ep III may indicate Lucas is tipping the continuity scales too far).

That's not my problem. The problem is, how did Luke keep his Skywalker name? And how would it help him hide from the Empire if he kept his Skywalker name. It really does make no sense (The theory that he wouldn't come to any major attention isn't really good enough, having him retain his surname is a potential risk that shouldn't even be present).

Yep, and where does this son of Skywalker goes and hide? In Darth Vader's mother's house.

Must have the same power of concealment as Clark Kent's glasses

Is amazing his "sister" wasn't called Princess Leiamidala too.

btw she's Princess of where? alderan? (i hope is not naboo! cus that would take lots more explaining )
I think there was more background on that on the Radio drama but i don't remember

Cus I mean, she's a princess in reality cus she's the daughter of a queen (which makes Luke prince and Anaking err whats the correct title of the spouse of a monarch but I asume she got her Royalty House (or Planet) switched funny how Leia got to keep being a princess but poor ol Luke ended up back in the farm


mmmm Palpatine, Palpatine, look at what you did to the royal family


The Return of the Sith editors will do an amazing job cramming all this plotlines in a 2 hour movie

ps: yes i know shes not queen anymore
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