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DisneyGirl wrote:Snow White - Is almost murdered by the huntsman because she's prettier than the Wicked Queen, (what a lame reason for murder), She runs into the forest and lives with seven little old men as their cook and maid. Is naive enough to eat something a stranger gave her. Wishing apple, yeah...oookay....

Or you could take the 10th Kingdom interpretation- Snow White knew, beneath the surface, that she couldn't live in fear, so she took a chance on the old hag against her better judgment. I view her as an innocent victim of a vicious step-mother who used power to put her in peril that was beyond her control. I really don't like the application of feminism to her tale, as it doesn't really apply, and diminishes the story unfairly. Just my opinion.

DisneyGirl wrote:though what kind of princess is going to go near a spinning wheel, let along use one?)

Well, she was under a magical trance from the mistress of all evil, but whatever.

-Aaron

awallaceunc wrote: Or you could take the 10th Kingdom interpretation- Snow White knew, beneath the surface, that she couldn't live in fear, so she took a chance on the old hag against her better judgment. I view her as an innocent victim of a vicious step-mother who used power to put her in peril that was beyond her control. I really don't like the application of feminism to her tale, as it doesn't really apply, and diminishes the story unfairly. Just my opinion.

The 10th Kingdom was a wonderful movie, and an even better book, I honestly think it's unfair to the writer to transfer it's ideas/plots onto the Disney version. I guess I just find the Snow White story to be rather lame. The Wicked Queen wants to kill Snow White because she's not as pretty? I just have a hard time with that whole plot as the basis for 'one of Disney's most beloved classics' or whatever they call it in the many trailers over the years.

awallaceunc wrote:

DisneyGirl wrote:though what kind of princess is going to go near a spinning wheel, let along use one?)

Well, she was under a magical trance from the mistress of all evil, but whatever.

Yeah, I don't mean how it happens in the movie, I mean in general. Maleficent used the trance to make her curse come true, but if she hadn't done that, it probably wouldn't have happened on it's own.

I don't like The Fox and the Hound, Pete's Dragon and Hercules

HOME ON THE RANGE! I wanted to leave the theater in disgust, but I wanted to see the end were the farm owner thanked them for saving the farm and then slice them up and serve them for dinner that night. But, to my even more disgust, that didn't happen. It's far to bad that this is the last traditionaly animated movie by Disney. Damn you Eisner! Just wait until I run Disney, then animation will make a comeback as never before! Then computers will be obsolete and pencils will be the way of the future!

Let's see here,
- Pocahontas
- The Black Cauldron
- Hercules
- The Hunchback of Notre Dame
- Atlantis: The Lost Empire
- The Emperor's New Groove (which I own on DVD -- this is why I no longer buy DVDs without knowing how good the content is first)

And the following I never really liked but I can stomach them if I were forced to watch them:
- Mulan
- Tarzan
- Oliver & Company

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I am surprised to see such a wide range of movies that people dislike.

I do not like:

Atlantis
Treasure Planet (too far out there for me)


I have yet to see:

Brother Bear and Home on the Range; I am still debating on these because of the mixed reviews.

Out of curiosity...

The movies that you do not like, do you still have them in your collection?

I do, but the ones I haven't seen I did not buy yet.

lord-of-sith wrote:Then computers will be obsolete and pencils will be the way of the future!

Ummm, you do realize that all of the Disney movies made after (and including) TGMD have used computers for animation, don't you? Unless you think they were all bad, than I suggest you don't make them obsolete, LOL. Even if the entire movie is hand-drawn, you will need computers for technical things like sound and contrast.

PrinceAli wrote:

lord-of-sith wrote:Then computers will be obsolete and pencils will be the way of the future!

Ummm, you do realize that all of the Disney movies made after (and including) TGMD have used computers for animation, don't you? Unless you think they were all bad, than I suggest you don't make them obsolete, LOL. Even if the entire movie is hand-drawn, you will need computers for technical things like sound and contrast.

You know what he meant.

PrinceAli wrote:

lord-of-sith wrote:Then computers will be obsolete and pencils will be the way of the future!

Ummm, you do realize that all of the Disney movies made after (and including) TGMD have used computers for animation, don't you? Unless you think they were all bad, than I suggest you don't make them obsolete, LOL. Even if the entire movie is hand-drawn, you will need computers for technical things like sound and contrast.

Actually The Black Cauldron used computer graphics first.

edm114 wrote:The movies that you do not like, do you still have them in your collection? I do, but the ones I haven't seen I did not buy yet.

Even if I don't like a movie, I still have it in my collection. However, I have no intention of buying a 2 disc set or any other version if they are released. The basic movie with no special features is fine with me, especially since I don't like the movie to begin with. I would however buy a second copy of, oh, say a Platinum Edition Lady and the Tramp (since I only have the Limited Issue). I'm still trying to decide if I want Alice in Wonderland enough to buy a second copy. Maybe I'll drop into Costco today and see how much they are. (Any thoughts on the new release?)
However, if I don't like a movie then I didn't pay full price for it. Most of the ones I listed in my "I don't care for" list I got from second hand stores for around $5 (The Black Cauldron, Saludos Amigos, The Great Mouse Detective, The Rescuers (and The Rescuers Down Under), The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr Toad, Atlantis, Treasure Planet, The Emperor's New Groove). However, they're all in mint condition (and the rescuers is still sealed...no one bought it so they lowered the price again and again and again...so I ended up playing $8 for it.)

The only movie I haven't seen is The Rescuers (I saw it when I was really little, but I don't remember it at all, so I feel like I've never seen it). I have it still in shrink wrap in my collection (more because I bought it last week and just haven't felt like watching it).

PrinceAli wrote:

lord-of-sith wrote:Then computers will be obsolete and pencils will be the way of the future!

Ummm, you do realize that all of the Disney movies made after (and including) TGMD have used computers for animation, don't you? Unless you think they were all bad, than I suggest you don't make them obsolete, LOL. Even if the entire movie is hand-drawn, you will need computers for technical things like sound and contrast.

I wasn't being very logical, I was just trying to make a point.

Hate is a strong word, as someone had already written. These are films that I really don't like the best, but don't hate.

~ The Lion King - it's like how Titanic was to me. A really great film with great effects and actors and box office success, etc. I just didn't love it. Not because everyone else loves it, just because I don't really love it. I enjoy watching it but there are other Disney movies I would rather watch. I have the DVD and with every viewing it is kind of starting to grow on me.

~ The Sword in the Stone - It was nice and a fun movie with a good message and moral, but it's definitely not my favorite. I think I may like it if I watch it more since I bought the DVD.

~ The Package films - I really like some of the shorts in each (though never saw Three Caballeros or Saludos Amigos) but some of them are just too boring for me and I get sleepy. My most favorite packages of the package films are from Make Mine Music, Melody Time, and Fun and Fancy Free.

~ 1960's and 1970's Animated films - excluding 101 Dalmations, the same goes for Sword except I don't have the DVDs and I have only seen them once or parts of it so I really don't know exaclty how much I dislike/like them.

DisneyGirl wrote:

edm114 wrote:The movies that you do not like, do you still have them in your collection? I do, but the ones I haven't seen I did not buy yet.

Even if I don't like a movie, I still have it in my collection. However, I have no intention of buying a 2 disc set or any other version if they are released. The basic movie with no special features is fine with me, especially since I don't like the movie to begin with. I would however buy a second copy of, oh, say a Platinum Edition Lady and the Tramp (since I only have the Limited Issue). I'm still trying to decide if I want Alice in Wonderland enough to buy a second copy. Maybe I'll drop into Costco today and see how much they are. (Any thoughts on the new release?)
However, if I don't like a movie then I didn't pay full price for it. Most of the ones I listed in my "I don't care for" list I got from second hand stores for around $5 (The Black Cauldron, Saludos Amigos, The Great Mouse Detective, The Rescuers (and The Rescuers Down Under), The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr Toad, Atlantis, Treasure Planet, The Emperor's New Groove). However, they're all in mint condition (and the rescuers is still sealed...no one bought it so they lowered the price again and again and again...so I ended up playing $8 for it.)

The only movie I haven't seen is The Rescuers (I saw it when I was really little, but I don't remember it at all, so I feel like I've never seen it). I have it still in shrink wrap in my collection (more because I bought it last week and just haven't felt like watching it).

My thoughts on the new release:
get it if you care about a better transfer and sound. Also if you like retarded 3 year olds only virtual parties.

Wonderlicious wrote:I don't like... Pete's Dragon

DisneyGirl wrote:

awallaceunc wrote: Or you could take the 10th Kingdom interpretation- Snow White knew, beneath the surface, that she couldn't live in fear, so she took a chance on the old hag against her better judgment. I view her as an innocent victim of a vicious step-mother who used power to put her in peril that was beyond her control. I really don't like the application of feminism to her tale, as it doesn't really apply, and diminishes the story unfairly. Just my opinion.

The 10th Kingdom was a wonderful movie, and an even better book, I honestly think it's unfair to the writer to transfer it's ideas/plots onto the Disney version. I guess I just find the Snow White story to be rather lame. The Wicked Queen wants to kill Snow White because she's not as pretty? I just have a hard time with that whole plot as the basis for 'one of Disney's most beloved classics' or whatever they call it in the many trailers over the years.

Hey, you don't have to defend the 10th Kingdom to me! I co-run the fan club and street team! It is an interpretation of the same story that Disney's adaptation is...adapted from. It offers another way to view the story, which you said you had a problem with. That's not applying anything to the movie.

And I think jealousy and vanity are very strong motives, and can go a long way with those who are wicked at heart, giving the story a strong drive.

And you may not like the film, which is fine, but it is one of the most beloved classics of all time (I'm not sure if you were disputing that or not), and is also accurately touted as "the one that started it all" in Disney's trailers. Of course, the technical achievements of the film speak for themselves.

DisneyGirl wrote:

awallaceunc wrote: Well, she was under a magical trance from the mistress of all evil, but whatever.

Yeah, I don't mean how it happens in the movie, I mean in general. Maleficent used the trance to make her curse come true, but if she hadn't done that, it probably wouldn't have happened on it's own.

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Well, yes, that's true. But then, if the queen wasn't a witch, Snow White wouldn't have died from the apple. If the Blue Fairy wasn't around, Pinocchio would still be made of wood. If a fairy godmother hadn't shown up, Cinderella wouldn't have made it to the ball. If Peter Pan couldn't fly, Captain Hook would have gutted him long ago. If Ursula hadn't stolen Ariel's voice, she would have snatched up Eric with ease. If the witch hadn't dropped by for a visit to Prince Adam, the castle would never have been enchanted, and there would never have been a beast for Beauty to meet. If Mary Poppins wasn't practically perfect in every way, she'd just be another nanny. We care about these stories because something unusual or impractical applies to their situations, making them stand out.

-Aaron

awallaceunc I read your last post, and I do agree with you. I attribute my last few posts to the fact that I'm rather sick with a fever (I claim insanity), and at the time, I had just woken up, and rather grouchy if I do say so myself. I reread my posts, and yes, I do agree with you. Cause and effect and all...
But at 8 in the morning after being rudely awoken, I'm rather up to challenging anything, especially cartoons, which for the most part, lack logic, (It's come to my attention that my belief in magic doesn't kick in until after my second cup of coffee.)
Anyway, the whole idea of magic in Disney films is more or less what I was talking about, but on a realistic level. Witches cursing princesses and puppets talking. Dogs conversing and saving lives. Lions talking to warthogs, and not eating them...it's all just a little to much for me in the morning. Perhaps I should have my coffee before I post, eh.
I think my big beef with Snow White is she just takes all of the crap from the Witch and doesn't have the brains not to take food from strangers. (Isn't that one of the first things our parents teach us?) It just irks the living daylights out of me that she's dense enough to take the apple. Of course, every hero or heroine has their own moment of weakness, Ariel going to the Sea Witch, Simba running away from home ect...but ah, I've lost my point. I need more medication.

Well, hey, who hasn't woken up grouchy and combative?

-Aaron

awallaceunc wrote:Well, hey, who hasn't woken up grouchy and combative?

yes yes, perhaps tomorrow morning or after my evening nap I can come up with some sort of rebutal, we'll see.

In rereading that, I think it sounded sarcastic. It was meant to be more of a "don't worry about it" in tone.

-Aaron