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Lady Cluck wrote:They came much later than cave drawings, and it's called The Starry Night, not Starry Starry Night like the lyrics from Vincent

who'd have thought Parker & Stone could create a bona fide movie musical?

It wasn't their first movie musical, and certainly not their last, so anyone who was informed

Ha! Fingers and brain betrayed me--I know the name of the painting, but I heard the song in my head, and the rest was history...

Still, cave paintings are a terrible analog for Snow White; something like Gertie the Dinoasaur or even the Oswald shorts would be more appropriate.

I wouldn't call Team America a movie musical, so I think SP: BLU would be their last...I did give Cannibal a try once upon a time, but didn't find it nearly as entertaining as what was being done on the show.

Also, I've always seen South Park as one of those adult cartoons with nonstop crude humor and cussing in an attempt to be edgy and "mature", and I'm personally not a fan of those kind of cartoons either. I don't even like the Adult Swim block that's on Cartoon Network now for this reason when I know that time could still be used to show classic cartoons.

Ive never been a fan of these types of shows either. Not saying they arent funny but Im just not one for comedy much and after a couple eps I just want to watch something else. And the animation styles usually dont appeal to me.

the only one I kinda liked was Beavis & Butthead and that was b/c I have fond memories of watching it late at night and laughing at their reviews of bad 80's & 90's music videos.

I don't think South Park is trying to be mature Just simply for matured audiences.

Lady Cluck wrote:Yeah, Snow White is godawful bore in actuality and that's a fact. Innovative and a milestone, sure, but it's not the 1930s anymore so I don't know why these so-called taste makers pretend they enjoy watching it all the time with a modern perspective. Putting it at #1 all the time suggests the art form hasn't grown at all, which obviously isn't the case. It's like saying a cave drawing is the best painting of all time.

Well, speaking for myself personally, I find it an enjoyable viewing. Sure, I don't find it as engrossing as some modern features, but I think it's far from boring. Though I'd have to say that they easily outdid it soon afterward with Pinocchio and Bambi, which still remain some of the best animated feature films to date.

And you can't deny the artistry at work here (and in the three features that followed). Walt Disney Feature Animation has arguably never matched that beauty and craftsmanship since this so called "Golden Age." Just because someone doesn't find it the most entertaining or engaging in terms of story and characters doesn't mean it isn't a great film. Snow White can be appreciated on many different levels.

And I agree that cave paintings are not a great analogy. If animation and filmmaking were that advanced at its inception, well, then that would surely be something. But there was much more primitive animation work being done long before Snow White came along (SW isn't even close to being the first animated feature film), so I find the examples that Fflewduur brought up much more apt.

I love Snow White just b/c its beautiful, like one of those vintage fairytale books.

unprincess wrote:

Also, I've always seen South Park as one of those adult cartoons with nonstop crude humor and cussing in an attempt to be edgy and "mature", and I'm personally not a fan of those kind of cartoons either. I don't even like the Adult Swim block that's on Cartoon Network now for this reason when I know that time could still be used to show classic cartoons.

Ive never been a fan of these types of shows either. Not saying they arent funny but Im just not one for comedy much and after a couple eps I just want to watch something else. And the animation styles usually dont appeal to me.

the only one I kinda liked was Beavis & Butthead and that was b/c I have fond memories of watching it late at night and laughing at their reviews of bad 80's & 90's music videos.

The only cartoons I could say I ever really loved that are considered adult cartoons would be the two from Matt Groening: The Simpsons and Futurama, because I've found characters in his shows to be quite likable and sympathetic at times (like with the relationships between Homer and Marge or Fry and Leela). And I've always found Matt's particular art style appealing compared to those of other cartoonists.

Lady Cluck wrote: Innovative and a milestone, sure, but it's not the 1930s anymore so I don't know why these so-called taste makers pretend they enjoy watching it all the time with a modern perspective. Putting it at #1 all the time suggests the art form hasn't grown at all, which obviously isn't the case. It's like saying a cave drawing is the best painting of all time.

I agree, Snow White is very overrated on most critics' lists. The animation is not as impressive when you watch almost any other film Walt made afterwards and, like you said, the film being dull as dishwater for the most part doesn't help. It's one thing to respect an iconic film with so much history attached, but I've never understood why anyone would rank it as number 1.

I believe Toy Story's another one that's going to end up overranked in the long run, even though I actually like that one.

2Disney4Ever wrote: The only cartoons I could say I ever really loved that are considered adult cartoons would be the two from Matt Groening: The Simpsons and Futurama, because I've found characters in his shows to be quite likable and sympathetic at times (like with the relationships between Homer and Marge or Fry and Leela). And I've always found Matt's particular art style appealing compared to those of other cartoonists.

Tbh, South Park is the only show of its kind that I ever enjoyed--and I put that in past tense since the show really lost its spark a season or two after the film for me, for the most part. I've never liked The Simpsons, Futurama, Beavis & Butthead, etc. (Ren & Stimpy either, although I don't think that falls in this category?) I'm not sure if it counts, but I did like Daria though.

Disney's Divinity wrote:I believe Toy Story's another one that's going to end up overranked in the long run, even though I actually like that one.

Well, the visuals are definitely showing signs of age, though it still somehow looks better than a lot of the low-budget CGI flicks coming out today. I suppose the fact that most of the primarily featured characters are toys helps in that respect. It helps also that, while the details are much more limited than the films coming out today, the animation itself is still quite expressive.

I'm sure a lot of people rank it high due to how innovative and important it was on the animation scene, but I genuinely find the writing, story, and characters to be the top of the crop--perhaps even still Pixar's best. There's not a minute of bloat, and Woody in this first film is one of the most compelling characters I've encountered. He's a toy, but he's one of the most human characters ever brought to the screen IMO.

Disney's Divinity wrote:

2Disney4Ever wrote: The only cartoons I could say I ever really loved that are considered adult cartoons would be the two from Matt Groening: The Simpsons and Futurama, because I've found characters in his shows to be quite likable and sympathetic at times (like with the relationships between Homer and Marge or Fry and Leela). And I've always found Matt's particular art style appealing compared to those of other cartoonists.

Tbh, South Park is the only show of its kind that I ever enjoyed--and I put that in past tense since the show really lost its spark a season or two after the film for me, for the most part. I've never liked The Simpsons, Futurama, Beavis & Butthead, etc. (Ren & Stimpy either, although I don't think that falls in this category?) I'm not sure if it counts, but I did like Daria though.

I also liked the original Ren & Stimpy Show from Nickelodeon, but I felt like the characters lost their charm when they made the Adult Party Cartoon and tried to make them even more adult than they needed to be. John K. was still a fantastic 2D artist though, even if I didn't always care for his tastes.

But my whole point with this was: I like 2D animation like Ren & Stimpy now, not South Park. Even The Simpsons is better than South Park to me in terms of appealing character design.

Fflewduur wrote:

Lady Cluck wrote:They came much later than cave drawings, and it's called The Starry Night, not Starry Starry Night like the lyrics from Vincent
It wasn't their first movie musical, and certainly not their last, so anyone who was informed

Ha! Fingers and brain betrayed me--I know the name of the painting, but I heard the song in my head, and the rest was history...

Still, cave paintings are a terrible analog for Snow White; something like Gertie the Dinoasaur or even the Oswald shorts would be more appropriate.

I wouldn't call Team America a movie musical, so I think SP: BLU would be their last...I did give Cannibal a try once upon a time, but didn't find it nearly as entertaining as what was being done on the show.

There will likely be a Book of Mormon movie eventually and possibly some others projects as well. They are very in to musicals.

Clucky's and Divinity's are right about Snow White. Animation is impressive, for its time due, and one must give credit to that, but the rest of the film is quite bland and forgettable.

It's not a bad film per se, but considering how many films Disney has done afterwards, improving on character and music and script a lot, why do so many critics always cling to the first film? I'm sure if people did that with "respected" directors like Speilberg they would be embarassed and called "amateurs!".

In regards to Snow White, I have to say the same myself. From an artistic standpoint I have nothing but absolute respect for the films from Walt's time and for their gorgeous animation and hand-painted backgrounds (and they were my childhood, after all), but admittingly it's a lot of the Disney films from after Walt's time that seem to entertain me the most. I guess Disney animation in the 90's just had that certain "edge" to it. But I do find Walt's films entertaining as well. I love the original Alice in Wonderland for it's wackiness and I enjoy any of the films with Mickey, Donald, or Goofy in them such as The Three Caballeros or Fun and Fancy Free.