I'm pretty sure new matter is still made. A child cell doesn't merely take the mother cells's cells for its own, new cells are made for the child.
Dr Frankenollie wrote:Actually Duster, I was apologising for the way I wrote things (e.g. in an angry, insulting way) rather than what I wrote. I still think you've contradicted yourself. Let me ask you: if you know that something being positive does not mean it's true, then why do you found your belief on a 'positive choice'? Don't blither on about how it makes you feel good, I want to know why you ignore common sense and embrace deluded happiness if you know that the most positive thing is not always the most realistic thing.
It's that if no one knows everything or what is the truth, why not choose to believe the more positive possible truth until proven otherwise?
Dr Frankenollie wrote:Here's the two theories as I see them:
1. There is an inter-dimensional lobster that exists outside our universe, and in order to shape worlds, it has evolved in order to 'sing', using the resultant waves to form universes. It is the end product of other, god-like inter-dimensional beings.
2. There is a being that always existed, is part of nature and outside nature, has infite power, immortality, the ability to read minds and knows everything that has happened, is happening and will happen.
On a scale of probability, the lobster theory just makes more sense to me. And seeing as it's a load of nonsense that I made up, it doesn't make the God theory appear very credible at all.
You're theory of the lobster sounds more logical to you because you think of logic from what you see, all the physical, and your theories are essentially "physical begets physical" which is a never-ending cycle. God is something non-physical which was and is beyond such (physical) existence, thus able to create existence as well as is also beyond the kinds of rules you apply to him from the physical world that you form your theories on in the first place. That's why God is more likely.
Dr Frankenollie wrote:To clarify, by 'clapping', I did not intend to insult you.
Okay, thank you.
Dr Frankenollie wrote:I don't think you're necessarily a bad person, but perhaps a misled, delusional good person. If you can't understand why, it's the same reason you think you need to save me: we both consider each other's beliefs 'wrong' in some sense.
But you used the words "bad person". So I am still wondering why you used that, if there's anything more you want to say. I admit I think some things you think are truly bad, though I don't think you're a bad person, so there's my admittence, I'm wondering if you have more for me.
As for the last thing you said in this thread...it sounds like what you're talking about is quite a conundrum (lol I wrote that before
yamiiguy said the same thing, but posted it after he said it!). It's sounds like something amazing and kind of miraculous, don't you think? Since it very well could be, why would you want to not to think it is just that, a miracle, created by a higher power, instead of it just being meaningless pieces going on with no amazing, powerful intent behind it? Or are you willing to believe it is the former, you just asked us if we had any help in answering?
Super Aurora wrote:Disney Duster wrote:And as for belief in God, no the meaning he gives me is not that of servitude.
If you want to get technical, especially from the old testament, God basically is implying you be in his servitude. Other wise why else would he present laws and statement he expect you to abide by? When you have a ruler and a subject, the subject serves the ruler. it's how it works. Doesn't matter whether he's "good and kind" or "evil".
Sure, I do serve God, and I do like that, but I was saying that's not
why I get meaning from him. The main reason is the one I explained, much more than servitude.
Super Aurora wrote:Disney Duster wrote:And I am sick of all that stuff about other galaxies and the universe being so big making people say they are insignificant, when it means the opposite.
You're "sick" or it because you don't want to accept it and that it ruins your perception of how you see the world. It's just like how creationist don't want to accept to fact that evolution and existence of dinosaurs to be true because it debunk their "beliefs" or perception of how they thought to be our origins and such.
No I have a different view of the world. You're telling me to accept your negative view and abandon my negative view.
Those planets and sun things are cool. No proof of life yet, thinking about such topics as we are discussing now.
As you can see, there's a lot of stuff I skipped.
Frankenollie,
yamiiguy,
Super Aurora, pretty much the rest of the stuff I feel was either already covered by what I wrote above, or you're just not getting me and I either feel you're doing it on purpose by being to negative and refusing to really try to see what I'm talking about, positively, or I don't know how to explain it to you, but I can probably sum it up as, if you
do view human beings as very high, signifigant creatures, the only ones in this vast Earth who we know even think about this stuff, than things meaning anything to us is enough meaning. However, if you're going to be negative and choose not to view it like that, I can't help you.
Oh, I did forget one thing though. God also helps give me meaning in also thinking if I don't get the entire menaing of everything, I believe I'll find out in the afterlife. And if I go to Hell and don't find out, I don't deserve to know anyway, and if I go to Heaven and I still don't know, I'll be so happy I won't care, which would once again say that happiness and what had meaning to us as joy or feeling is all the meaning there is and needs to be. And maybe some of you just don't want to accept and appreciate that. You want more. To have an effect on the sun or whatever as
Super Aurora said...
Oh and
Super Aurora by the word random that you were like "WAT" at or whatever you said, I mean without intent, not made with desire or design to be some amazing whole, from something with desire and intent, such as God.
It is just my belief that the universe originated from nothing therefore there is absolutely no objective meaning to anything. Everything exists because it does. You can give your life a purpose but you cannot, in the grand scheme of things, give it meaning. Your purpose could be to serve your god, to become a lawyer or to simply lead a happy, carefree life observing the beauty that just so happens to exist. However, they don't have meaning. The universe won't cease to exist if you didn't do that (and even if it did, that wouldn't matter as the universe itself has no meaning!).
