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Oh...I didn't think about that Disney Duster, I second the motion...if the mods or posters are up to it, to delete comments that might turn this into yet another Religion faith flame thread.

Yea I don't know if their policy is if they ever delete anything anyway. I guess it's up to them and also what the involved posters say. I would be fine with it being deleted but maybe it should just be moved since others might not be. : /

Disney Duster wrote:disneyboy, could you please merely ask for the comments to be moved or deleted? It's just that this is an important thing for a lot of us.

If I could have a say in the matter, I wouldn't like my comments to be deleted, as I really want to become a 'Walt Disney Treasure' before the site closes.

Disney Duster wrote:[Dr Frankenollie, well, I already talked about how we do not know what everyone goes through, perhaps the people who look rich and happy are going through some bad we don't see, or people who are rich and happy still must be tested to be good people by helping those less fortunate.

Duster, you KNOW that some people have some of the most unfortunate events in their lives, while others don't have such bad events. Some get cancer. Others don't. Some get AIDs. Others don't. You cannot ignore the fact that the so-called 'test' isn't fair.

Disney Duster wrote:Another thing is, who decides what is fair or equal anyway? People in thrid world countries have terrible physical lives, but they aren't cutting themselves listening to emo music after they yell at their families in their rich houses after a big meal they ungratefully didn't even finish all of. Who's to say what is fair?

My God. I didn't mean 'fair' as in what's fair and unfair for some people, I meant that TESTS HAVE TO BE FAIR TO BE THE SAME OTHERWISE THE RESULTS DON'T MATTER AND THAT IS A SCIENTIFIC PRINCIPLE WHICH YOU CANNOT DISREGARD OR IGNORE.

Disney Duster wrote:As for Jesus, um, I think the point is that if Jesus did anything too huge, people would clearly see he's God an believe in him. But by doing only little things, sometimes, he did enough so people would make a choice, believe or not, and then eventually, crucify him or not.

Why do we have to 'believe' in 'God'? Why does he wish to test our faith? Why?

Also, Jesus/God's method of testing people's faith is highly flawed; some of the Jewish Elders had been following ideas passed down for centuries and was part of their upbringing, while some of the disciples might've been open to any kind of prophet, regardless of what things they said.

Disney Duster wrote:And, uh, yea, you can say that God is not a higher being with higher intelligence that does things we don't understand because, well, he is. You call it a copout, I say you don't understand. Or maybe you do understand, but it's not enough for you. Well sorry, it's your choice to believe or not. Cling to logic all the time, or sometimes have faith and just believe, man. Some things are beyond our grasp, you'll never know everything, it's okay.

Hey guess what Disney Duster? There's a man who lives on the Moon, and he's called Lunos! And he watches us with his big telescope and sent down a son in the form of a baby elephant named Nicompoop, and Nicompoop tried to test us by seeing how we treat elephants like him, and all the animal activists and kind zookeepers ascend to Bubbly Wubbly, a giant bubble bath in the core of the sun, but all the people who dislike elephants are sent into a giant oven on a higher plane of reality!

Oh, are you wondering why there's no evidence pertaining to Lunos' existence? Why, it's because he works in mysterious ways, oooooooooh, and, uh, yea, you can say that Lunos is not a higher being with higher intelligence that does things we don't understand because, well, he, uh is. Yeah! Take that! Well sorry, maaaaaaaan, if you can't understand, or if you can understand but Lunos isn't enough you, yea. Some things are beyond our grasp, yea, and you'll never know anything, it's okay. Yea.

Well every person is different, so there really is no way of being 'normal.'

I suppose there is the 'most frequent' way people are, but who on earth would want to be like that??

Dr Frankenollie, the tests for everyone isn't supposed to be the same. We all lead different lives. And yes I can ignore a scientific principle if I don't agree with it or if I just don't think it applies to this subject. I think for myself on both religion and science, I don't merely follow science blindly.

As for the rest of what you said, haha. But I meant what I said earnestly. I really hope you will just relax, let go of perhaps too logical ponderings, and believe. You and I and everyone all know Christianity is different from what you just spat out to reply to me mockingly, even if we couldn't put our finger on or describe the difference and you wouldn't want to find a difference anyway because you don't feel like believing. It's all up to you man, but I wish you would believe in at least the spiritual and good things in Christianity.

Here's a story that caught my attention last month:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... iage_N.htm

There used to be a time when no one asked questions about whether a woman would take her husband's name upon marriage; it was a simply accepted part to marital tradition. So now, it's becoming more and more common for women to keep their surnames when married, in addition to hyphenating.

BUT,

what if the man decides to take his wife's last name?

The idea of normalcy, in regards to gender rights have definitely changed over time. Women have gained a significant amount of civil rights during the 20th Century. Men are still the dominant gender in general, so the progress for women have been battled with laws protecting against gender discrimination.

So what of the few men whom are willingly yielding influence to the opposite gender? Is he facing discrimination based on pre-assigned gender roles? Is there any such thing as sexism against men for that matter?

The idea of a man taking his wife's name is still a very new trend, as only seven states in America will really allow this. It does show how much gender roles have changed in our society, and how many long-held traditions, a lot of what was once so much the norm that they were never questioned are now being challenged.

Disney Duster wrote:Dr Frankenollie, the tests for everyone isn't supposed to be the same. We all lead different lives.

I KNOW WE ALL LEAD DIFFERENT LIVES. What I'm saying is that if 'God' really wanted to test us, then he would do it in a way that would be fair and equal. Yes, I know people end up having all sorts of different ambitions, careers, families and lives, but a more equal way to test us would be to not have evil or misery on Earth whatsoever other than one bad thing that is the same for everyone that happens at least one point in every single human being's life.

For example, everyone on the planet could be knocked over by a car but live and receive the exact same injuries, and their reactions could be used as the results which 'God' could weigh up. Thus, if one person renounced religion after being hit by a car, and another person who was also hit by a car and received the exact same types and number of injuries instead remained loyal to religion, then it would be obvious that the first person was bad and the second person was good.

Obviously, if there is a God, then we've got the crappy and lazy God to hail and praise. A fair God would do something like I did (and I'm not even an adult and yet I could think of a better method for testing), but an unfair God would let a talentless and self-obsessed ass like Paris Hilton become wealthy, while letting a brilliant writer like Oscar Wilde be hated for his sexuality. Wait a minute. Oh, the unfair God is our 'God', right, Duster?

Disney Duster wrote:And yes I can ignore a scientific principle if I don't agree with it or if I just don't think it applies to this subject.

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Hey Duster, guess what? Some meanies are saying that Lunos isn't real because Nicompoop, his elephant son sent to Earth to save us all, wrote in the sand of his zoo pen that 2+2=5! Yes, I know that 2+2-4 is a mathematic principle, but hey, so what? I can ignore a mathematical principle if I agree with it or if I just don't think it applies to this subject.

Disney Duster wrote:As for the rest of what you said, haha. But I meant what I said earnestly.

How could you have truly meant what you said? It was nonsensical gibberish!

But the thing that really, really, really just maddens me is that YOU DIDN'T GET THE POINT I WAS MAKING. I was saying that the stupid, meaningless gibberish that you said could fit anything! You could change every instance of God and Christianity with instances of Lunos and Lunacy, and yet no other alterations would be necessary (well, perhaps besides any other references to Christianity)! You could replace God and Christianity with instances of Cheese and Cheesecake and it would flow just as it flowed originally!

Disney Duster wrote:I really hope you will just relax, let go of perhaps too logical ponderings, and believe. You and I and everyone all know Christianity is different from what you just spat out to reply to me mockingly, even if we couldn't put our finger on or describe the difference and you wouldn't want to find a difference anyway because you don't feel like believing. It's all up to you man, but I wish you would believe in at least the spiritual and good things in Christianity.

Duster, I really hope that you will just relax, let go of perhaps too logical ponderings, and believe in Lunos. You and I and everyone all know that Lunacy (the religion of Lunos) is different from the 'Christianity' stuff that you just spat out to reply to me mockingly, even if we couldn't put our finger on or describe the difference and you wouldn't want to find a difference anyway because you don't feel like believing. It's all up to you man, but I wish you would believe in at least the spiritual and good things in Lunacy.

...You see, Duster? Your words are meaningless. You have no arguments. You just have nonsense that is interchangeable with every other fictional deity and crackpot religion on the planet.

Semaj wrote:
what if the man decides to take his wife's last name?

In Japan, a lot of time the man does take the wife's family name.

Wow, I am away from the forums for a few days, and I miss all the fun. Let me see... I have a request for a temporary lock, permanent lock, and to split the posts. Since I am in a very good mood, this is what we will do:

I'm going to lock this thread, and disneyboy20022 can start a new thread on this topic. I'm not going to waste my time relocating posts.

And since it has been about a year from when the last religion thread was closed, I will allow that topic to be tried again in a thread created for it. However, the very first personal attack I see or complaint I receive will result in the permanent closure of the subject of religion. Got that people? This will be the very last time for a religion thread. There will be no warnings or second chances. Good Luck.