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Here's an interesting article: http://healthland.time.com/2011/05/02/i ... ens-death/:

How is one supposed to react to the violent end met by one of the world's most violent men? Some people took to the streets cheering and chanting, "U.S.A.! U.S.A.!" Others experienced quiet relief that a terrorist had been eliminated. For others, the news rekindled old feelings of trauma and pain.

In an article on CNN Health, reporters Elizabeth Landau and Madison Park pointed out that all of these feelings were to be expected. Landau and Park polled several psychologists as well as a few New Yorkers to get a better understanding of the public's emotional response:

For some, bin Laden represents an idea more than a person who lived and died. More than the death of a human being, this ends the life of a powerful symbol of terrorism and destruction, said Nadine Kaslow, psychologist at Emory University. Bin Laden's death hits closer to home in the U.S. than the capture and execution of Saddam Hussein, for example, because the Iraqi dictator did not directly attack American soil, she said.

The celebratory mood reflects a sense that fairness and justice had been restored and that a terrorist got his comeuppance, said Kaslow. "I think people feel like this guy got what he deserved. It was a sense that it was 'our family' that was killed," she said.

For others, the feeling was less jubilation than closure and relief. Diana Massaroli, who lost her husband Michael in the World Trade Center attack on 9/11, told CNN that the news of bin Laden's death imbued her with an "overall calm that I haven't felt in 10 years. I feel better ... like I can start a new chapter in my life."

For many who were directly affected by the 9/11 attacks, however, the feelings of sadness over the loss of their loved ones cannot be undone by the killing of one man. What's more, the terrorist's death may resurrect past pain and trigger symptoms of post-traumatic stress in some survivors, Columbia University psychiatrist Dr. Jeffery Lieberman told CNN.

And at least one commenter opined that the joy and celebration that many Americans displayed was misconceived. In a piece titled "'USA! USA!' Is the Wrong Response," Salon contributor David Sirota noted that in our "unbridled euphoria" over death, "we see bin Laden's more enduring victory — a victory that will unfortunately last far beyond his passing." Sirota wrote:

n the years since 9/11, we have begun vaguely mimicking those we say we despise, sometimes celebrating bloodshed against those we see as Bad Guys just as vigorously as our enemies celebrate bloodshed against innocent Americans they (wrongly) deem as Bad Guys. Indeed, an America that once carefully refrained from flaunting gruesome pictures of our victims for fear of engaging in ugly death euphoria now ogles pictures of Uday and Qusay's corpses, rejoices over images of Saddam Hussein's hanging and throws a party at news that bin Laden was shot in the head.

While the nation's response to the news has varied from person to person, one thing remains constant — that everybody wants to experience their emotions together, whether via Twitter or Facebook, at Ground Zero in New York City, or in front of the White House in Washington, D.C.

Scamander wrote:The death of a human is no reason to celebrate. No matter who he was, not matter what he did.

After reading this thread, I feel the need to come to your defense Scamander.

I'm Christian, a Latter-day Saint in fact, and I can't, in good faith, consider myself that anymore if I celebrated the death of any man. Did many people die becuase of bin Laden? Yes, they died before, during and after 9/11, I don't dispute that per say. But what I do dispute is how we as a people dealt with it or continue to.

I hear a lot of people say "justice was served," but was it really? I would have preferred the man be taken alive and faced an Earthly tribunal. The way it went down instead felt a lot more like revenge then justice. He hurt us so we were going to go hurt him. And you know what? Not surprising, I've heard many 9/11 victims that have said, even though they have nothing but hate for the man, his death has brought them very little peace. They will never find peace becuase peace can't occupy a heart filled with hate.

Am I happy this over? Or that bin Laden will have no more blood on his hands? Sure. But the fact that he is dead, no, I find no joy, only pity.

I realize not everyone sees Jesus as our Lord and Savior, but I do, and as such, I wish to be more like Him and to follow in His footsteps. I believe with every bit of my heart that no man suffered more then He did, and yet, during the crucifixion, He forgave those who were murdering Him. If He, the one who suffered more then any man ever has, could do that, and we are to be more like Him, what does our societal reaction to bin Laden's deaths say about us as a people?

Even if you don't accept Jesus as your Lord, it is easy to find such wisdom in the teachings of basically every major religious figure. As has already been pointed out, the United States has a lot of blood on it's hands as it is. Maybe we should be more interested in rectifying that then reveling in the destruction of someone else with blood on their hands? From my learning US history, I think here have been many "bin Laden" type enemies we have faced becuase of our own wickedness. Just like has been pinned on Batman or Spider-Man in comics, we create our own enemies a lot more times then not because of our actions.

I am happy that we actually did what we set out to do almost ten years ago, I am happy this part of history has finished, I am happy for anyone who can find closure from this, and my heart goes out to anyone who has suffered. But I will not rejoice in the death of another human being, no matter who he is. Again, I only have pity.

I hope this is the end of the war, but am realistic enough to realize it may never end, which as time goes on, will put the US is a dimmer light n the eyes of the World. Maybe one day humanity will find real peace and learn to respect one another. One can dream...

dvdjunkie wrote:NOTE to Scamander:

What a freakin idiot. Clearly his/her view of reality is blocked by the
tree he's hugging.

What does his opinion have anything to do with tree-hugging ?!
Anyways, I will always remember Bin Laden as the guy who tarnished the reputation of my culture, I hope that one day these terrorists would cease to exist.

@ milojthatch: I think the reactions of Americans and other people over the world who are rejoicing this news, is more 'Old Testament' than Jesus-like. Isn't it true that the Old Testament is an important part of Christianity? And didn't those books feature a God who's approving of or even encouraging the wiping out of entire populations, for various of reasons, even simply for them not believing in him? I think that resonates more with people than Jesus, who preached about turning the other cheeck.

If more people who called themselves Christians would actually behave as Jesus told, there wouldn't be so much income disparity in the world, especially in the United States, the most religious industrialized country. For was it not Jesus who said: "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God", and was it not Jesus who told his desciples to do away with all their earthly possesions?

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
- Mohandas 'Mahatma' Ghandi

I have been feeling the same way in regards to what Scamander and Milo have said....in regards to my faith in Jesus...I might try to call my pastor tomorrow who likes WWE and told me to take my Girlfriend to see Kick Ass for a date and loves Rock music such as ACDC or Ozzy Osbourne....or another pastor within the same church who has replicas of Lord of the Rings stuff in his house and is truly the most die hard LOTR fan i've seen in my life.


I'll pm anyone who would like to know what the pastor tells me tomorrow...

dvdjunkie wrote:NOTE to Scamander:

What a freakin idiot. Clearly his/her view of reality is blocked by the
tree he's hugging.

Clearly, this is a personal attack. You know this, Bill. If you want to be a part of this community, you'll need to maintain civility in your posts (in accordance with the forum guidelines).

You guys may find this article interesting:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-gove ... -flag.html

Maerj wrote:You guys may find this article interesting:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-gove ... -flag.html

As Much as I hate conspiracy theories about certain things....this is not the first time I've heard about the False Flag....although I take it with a grain of salt.... Jesse Ventura talked about it on his Conspiracy Theories show.....and it was interesting view on it.

http://www.trutv.com/video/conspiracy-t ... /9-11.html

Also I take everything about this with a grain salt.

Actually, it's not interesting at all, aside from the fact that the person who runs that website doesn't fact-check his guests.


That guy in the article, Pieczenik, is a liar and a hack. He is nowhere to be found on the presidential websites of Ford, Nixon, Reagon, Carter or Bush; he is also nowhere to be found on the State Department website. There are no records of him ever attending Harvard University (or Harvard Medical School). The only information you can find about this person is that he writes "critically acclaimed" political thrillers (fictional ones!), and owns his own website in which he states that he went to Harvard (he didn't). What I'm basically saying here is that there is not a single piece of evidence that this person has ever worked in the government positions he claims to have worked, aside from him saying so on an extremely conservative conspiracy website. My only conclusion is that he is a complete lunatic of the highest level. Insanity run amuck and it's being rewarded on this equally insane website. I mean come on now, there is no way that a person who believes that Osama Bin Laden has been dead for 10 years works for the US government currently (as the bio on his website indicates). LOL

Borderline Amazing Completely Factual Article LOL wrote:Pieczenik said that the decision to launch the hoax now was made because Obama had reached a low with plummeting approval ratings and the fact that the birther issue was blowing up in his face.

Not quoting much, but this in particular sticks out like a sore thumb. Obama hadn't reached a new low with his approval ratings; they were worse last year than they were last month. In fact, Obama is the only president since Kennedy to not have his lowest approval ratings sink below 40%. Like I said, if anything his approval ratings were lower last year, not these last months. Obama currently has a 41% as his lowest approval ratings, according to Wikipedia (with sources), so the “birther issue” is in fact not “blowing up in his face.”

It was funny, now it's just turning into sad. This guy is a sad panda; making up his own awards wrote:[...]Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.[...]

Bull$#*t. There is no "Harry C. Solomon Award." There is no such thing. Do a Google search for it if you don't believe. Find anything proving the existance of a Harry C. Solomon Award. The only thing you'll find on Google and Yahoo is multiple sites featuring this very article. Does it not strike you as odd that this Pieczenik person is the only one to ever achieve this 'prestigious' award. An award specifically made for him, he must be so special. This is beyond stupidity.


Don't let these things fool you, because some people will do anything to make their conspiracies reality. Anyway, I guess that's 'debunked,' if you will.

Well, thank you for doing that! I assumed that author if that article would have done that much work. Sheesh! I was always a little leary over that guy's site, now I see why, sorry about the misinformation.

I actually just tried searching about this guy and found his site and that he is behind those tom clancey novels. I searched on his supposed position "Deputy Assistant Secretary of State" and it appears that there is no such position. Wow, talk about lack of credibility!

Oh and check this out: Harry S. Solomon is a character in 3rd Rock from the Sun, played by French Stewart.

LOL Again, sorry for the bogus article guys.

What do you think about this one?

http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/co ... hero-.html

Isn't 'Pieczenik' just a phony name, like the phonetic spelling of 'peace-nik'? Isn't this just all a joke? It's intended as a joke; it was never intended to be serious, yet you took it seriously. I guess 'Peaczenik' has now accomplished his goal.

milojthatch wrote:

Scamander wrote:The death of a human is no reason to celebrate. No matter who he was, not matter what he did.

After reading this thread, I feel the need to come to your defense Scamander.

agreed. Especially when we idealize the human that does his/her best to avoid killing. Jesus, Nausicaa, Harry Potter, etc.