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One I completely forgot to mention is Charlie Sheen. I don't care how many good movies/shows he's done in the past (Wall Street comes to mind), what he has done lately is just insane and obnoxious. I mean, it's one thing to act like a rockstar when you actually *are* a rockstar. But this guy acts like he owns the fucking world, while the only thing he does is play in a mediocre sitcom on a mediocre channel. He can do coke and get hookers all he wants, I don't care (really!), but to put his colleagues out of business that way and be *proud* of it and brag about it? Or, to put it more eloquently:

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He actually got people to pay for a live show with just him onstage, reciting lines from his sitcom. Then when the people got mad at how badly it sucked (amazingly, people went to see this, knowing Sheen, and *still* be disappointed), they started to yell: "this is bullshit and I want my money back!", to which Sheen answered: "sorry, dude, I already got your money". Bill Maher used that incident to launch into a wider rant about the way different powerful players in society have "already got our money" while they fucked us over. He started ripping Sheen and then widened it step by step until he got his point across. I thought it was very clever; I couldn't have come up with the analogy, but it's true!

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Charlie Sheen is gonna die. He is the new Anna Nicole Smith, everyone is too busy making fun of him and quoting his incoherent sayings instead of realizing he has a terrible problem. I'm not a fan, but I hope he rises above this mess. Britney Spears was another example of that kind of Hollywood train wreck, except she cleaned up thanks to her family. I hope Charlie Sheen has a support system like she did.

Goliath wrote:The 'Jersey Shore' cast and Paris Hilton *still* deserves bashing, milo. Because they are the perfect examples of how we, as a society, now worship lack of talent, lack of knowledge etc.

Feeney had it right

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@ milo: Well, Charlie wouldn't listen to his father, the much-respected actor Martin Sheen. He played the best president the US never had on tv and even *he* didn't have enough authority and persuasion to put Charlie on the right path.

But, when you take advantage of your public the way Charlie did, I have no pity for you. At all. The same way I've never been able to feel any kind of sympathy for Britney Spears after this:

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@ disneyboy: yeah, that's one of my favorite parts of the entire show. I quote it often!

I think she was uninformed. In any case, that was a perfectly normal political view after 9/11 for a while. Have you seen videos of people's reactions? They wanted everyone, everywhere dead, which makes Britney's opinion seem much more tame. That and the fact that she was 21 in that interview, how many 21 year old girls are completely educated in political terms? The interviewer was asking the wrong person.

I actually rather agree with Milo this time. That and the fact that Britney could very well have been the victim of family-opinion tampering. I've seen that garbage firsthand. I mean, I actually trusted my father back in '96 the day he heard Clinton was re-elected. He was angry enough to spit nails. When did I wise up, politically? The first turning point wasn't until just before 9/11. 4 years after I first "learned" to "trust" my racist, sexist Republican father on the subject of politics. Don't even get me started on my brother. He pretty much stayed out of politics, but the point is that a lot of people can tell you lies and you will believe them just because you can't believe they'd lie to you.

pap64 wrote:"I WANT WHAT THEY HAVE BECAUSE I AM BETTER THAN THEM AND I DESERVE THEM".

I think that that's incredibly incisive. And as to what you said about people encouraging these stars, I agree with you- to an extent. I think it's okay to state how you feel on a subject, and sometimes we need to say how incredibly stupid these people are, because like Goliath said, society worships these people. I make my opinion clear on a subject, but then I drop it. I don't continuously go to the websites/discussions of fans of these people just to cause a fuss and upset everyone. But yes, if people hadn't made such a big deal over Rebecca Black, I would never have heard of her, and that goes for a lot of other celebrities as well.

rs_milo_whatever wrote:I think she was uninformed. In any case, that was a perfectly normal political view after 9/11 for a while. Have you seen videos of people's reactions? They wanted everyone, everywhere dead, which makes Britney's opinion seem much more tame. That and the fact that she was 21 in that interview, how many 21 year old girls are completely educated in political terms? The interviewer was asking the wrong person.

Bullshit. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit! A 21 year old *woman* (not "girl") should have at least a basic understanding of politics. I know tons and tons of women who did when they were that age. There's no excuse for being clueless when you're 21 years old! Hell, you can drink at 21, can't you? And drive, and fight for your country, and vote? Some people are still airheads when they're in their 60's. Age got nothing to do with it. I was 18 years old when I saw that interview (in Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 911) and I knew she was clueless. And the fact that a lot of other people were clueless, too, at the time, doesn't absolve her one bit. If you don't know anything, then shut the hell up. But don't act like you do, and then spout mindless authoritarian crap. "We should just trust our president in *everything* he does"? If that's true, then why didn't Britney and her husband sign up to serve in Iraq?

I'm sorry to come off so harsh... Wait... I'm actually not. I just don't want you to take it personally or be offended at it, because it's not directed at *you*, but at your *reasoning*. Being young is no excuse for being clueless.

Scarred4life wrote:

pap64 wrote:"I WANT WHAT THEY HAVE BECAUSE I AM BETTER THAN THEM AND I DESERVE THEM".

I think that that's incredibly incisive. And as to what you said about people encouraging these stars, I agree with you- to an extent. I think it's okay to state how you feel on a subject, and sometimes we need to say how incredibly stupid these people are, because like Goliath said, society worships these people. I make my opinion clear on a subject, but then I drop it. I don't continuously go to the websites/discussions of fans of these people just to cause a fuss and upset everyone. But yes, if people hadn't made such a big deal over Rebecca Black, I would never have heard of her, and that goes for a lot of other celebrities as well.

Not saying that we shouldn't criticize them. I agree that if they are doing more bad than good we should take a stand and demand something better out of our entertainment. But what I mean is that some people are so hung up on someone they hate they keep talking about them to the point where it looks like they are piggybacking off of that person in hopes if people checking them out, but instead the celebrity in questions gets more advertisement than needed.

There are times in which ideally we should let it phase out and move on. But if we keep feeding them, they are winning.

Goliath wrote:ue, then why didn't Britney and her husband sign up to serve in Iraq?

I'm sorry to come off so harsh... Wait... I'm actually not. I just don't want you to take it personally or be offended at it, because it's not directed at *you*, but at your *reasoning*. Being young is no excuse for being clueless.

Don't you think it's the interviewer's fault, in that case? She was asked a question she obviously gonna know nothing about, this guy was obviously trying to get some dirt out of her with that. And I don't think it's bullshit, I estimate that at least[/b] %85 of 21 year olds are uninformed, especially ones that were pulled out of school constantly and became worldwide recognized pop stars at 17. I will not excuse her out of being ditsy, I'm just saying it's understandable that she is in fact, ditsy. It's also not bullshit that there are certain popular mindsets during certain times in history. A lot of people were very hurt by 9/11 and wanted the war, now those people pretend they never thought that way and say Bush is stupid.

All I'm saying Britney Spears has never pretended she was a politician or an activist, she's a pop star. She never went out of her way to make a statement about the war, she was simply put into a situation and she gave her response, as naive as it may be. And like you said, people are airheads up until their their 60s and she was 21... Not a Girl, Not yet a Woman, if you excuse the reference.

@milo: I'm not questioning the fact that there are lots of 21 year olds who are wilfully ignorant about politics, current events etc. I have a sister that age who's as informed about what's going on in the world as Britney was in that clip. I'm just saying that doesn't absolve her of her ignorance. If she doesn't know about certain issues, then let her say so. There is no shame in saying: "I'm sorry, I'm not informed enough to adress those issue". It is a shame, however, to spout thoughtless, authoritarian crap. It's not her support of Bush that I'm mad about (although I do think it's pretty dumb), but the fact that she bows to authority figures without knowing why or without questioning them.

Not every artist who's been on the road since a young age is clueless about the world, so that's no defense. Why is Pink, who was born only two years before Britney and has also been a musician from a young age, so much more sophisticated, smart, knowledgable? Could you picture Britney making songs like 'Dear Mr. President', 'Don't Let Me Get Me' or 'Stupid Girls'? That's because Pink clearly has educated herself.

Don't you think you're being authoritarian by saying she's dumb for her political views? Not meaning to call you out, but I just found what you said ironic. And Britney is not a revolutionary, she is a pop star. She will never be a Lady GaGa or Pink, she's all about the fun side of pop music, GaGa and Pink do that because they want to, but %99 of pop stars don't take stands with their music, why is Britney any different; I get annoyed when people expect pop stars to be political connoisseurs... she's just a performer.


Anyway, today I had a discussion about celebrities with my coworkers.. it was like talking to a wall. OK, so apparently, Chris Brown never hit Rihanna, she could have been mugged but she deserved it because she's a whore; Chris Brown just went to rehab for PR reasons as did Miss Spears. Britney Spears shaved her head for attention, there's no way she could have gotten attention any other way. Charlie Sheen and Lindsay Lohan are both stupid, but came up with the elaborate scheme of going crazy for fame.


People can be so vile and ignorant. How can anybody have such a low opinion of people they have never met? And where the hell do people get facts? It's like they pick and choose what they wish to know and then make up stories to explain the bits and pieces they have chosen.

rs_milo_whatever wrote:Don't you think you're being authoritarian by saying she's dumb for her political views? Not meaning to call you out, but I just found what you said ironic.

I don't see the irony, because "authoritarian" means something else completely.

rs_milo_whatever wrote:And Britney is not a revolutionary, she is a pop star. She will never be a Lady GaGa or Pink, she's all about the fun side of pop music, GaGa and Pink do that because they want to, but %99 of pop stars don't take stands with their music, why is Britney any different; I get annoyed when people expect pop stars to be political connoisseurs... she's just a performer.

But that's just the point I'm trying to make all along: I *don't* expect them to be political activists/analists! If they just wanna be entertainers: more power to them! We need them to be, 'cause we can use some entertainment in this world! All I'm saying is this: if you're clueless, like Britney, then shut the hell up. If you don't have the slighest bit of knowledge on politics or current events, don't answer questions about them.

To balance out the negative, can't we also have a thread about celebrities we like?

Goliath wrote:To balance out the negative, can't we also have a thread about celebrities we like?

Hmmm... How about:

"Guilty Pleasure" celebrities and public figures?

Hm, now how did I skip this thread? Must. Feed. On. Negativity.

I don't really dislike celebrities for their work (or lack thereof), usually if I really dislike someone famous it's something they've done I'm personally against. Charlie Sheen is an obvious one, though I do think he has some sort of illness... well at the very least there are some loose screws in his head.

But no, the celebrities I really hate are the ones who endorse the wearing of fur clothing. Jennifer Lopez, Paris Hilton, and the TrOlson twins being the worst offenders, seeing as their entire clothing line is comprised of fur. It does make them easier to dislike since they're all talentless hacks, but that's not the reason this time. Madonna, Beyoncé, Lindsay Lohan, and quite a lot of others also wear it, but at least they don't commission the production of it directly (at least not that I know of). I think it's really sad when you're either so ignorant and stupid to not consider where it's coming from --in most cases it's going to be some Chinese torture factory-- or you're just a heartless monster who doesn't have any empathy for animals whatsoever (sociopathy comes to mind). Either is bad I guess, while the latter is obviously worse. I'm probably one of the only people to really dislike someone for this issue, but I've done a lot of research about this subject for a school project, and it really changes your perspective of someone who endorses it.

I don't care much for most of PETA's practises though, since I'm sure that's the conclusion most would get from reading the above paragraph. Just throwing it out there...

Duckburger wrote:
I don't care much for most of PETA's practises though, since I'm sure that's the conclusion most would get from reading the above paragraph. Just throwing it out there...

I didn't get that at all from your post, don't worry. There's a huge difference in having a stand against animal abuse and being ridiculous. But then again, you have to understand, most people eat meat so they don't really understand the difference. I eat meat but I avoid leather; it may look awesome, but I always find a faux version of what I want... except for my car. My dad bought by car with leather interior and it makes me feel guilty.

To get back on topic I will make the list of "celebcompoops" that I didn't want to make... but just for the sake of discussion and school work procrastination:

The only 'celebrities' that really annoy me are all those Housewives, Heidi and Spencer Pratt, Jon Gosselin, and the Lohan parents. There's no way around it, those people are just trashy, fame grubbers.

Kate Gosselin just seems like a shrew.


I don't like Ke$ha, she makes catchy tunes but that's mostly due to her producers since her lyrics are garbage rhymes (Britney's Till The World Ends is her crowning lyrical achievement and that doesn't say much). Her attitude of being sleazy because she can is boring.

Angelina Jolie. I've never liked her and I hate to judge people for personal and old issues but I can't allow myself to feel sympathy to a woman that allows herself to be the other woman. Personal issues of mine make me have a strong dislike and almost hatred for people like this I won't call her a home-wrecker, because:

Brad Pitt, he's just as bad as she is.

Lady GaGa. I find the outfits unimpressive and her "Yes. I am here" attitude annoying. Her music is rather good, just not as a-MAH-zing as people make it out to be. I don't like her because she likes to stir controversy wit religion, Born This Way's songs all look like they're gonna have some religious details. I just don't like it, she may be going after Catholicism the most and even though I'm not Catholic I still don't like it. I just don't like the idea of dipping into people's faith for money. And can I just say that she doesn't need it? She's popular and refreshing as it is. I'm also very happy she stopped being so gay campy, it just seems really... desperate. It's just like when Geroge Lopez (OOH!! Geroge Lopez too!) goes on and on about being Mexican (which he isn't) and Latino, and as a Mexican, it's very annoying. However, I'm glad someone is stirring up the pop world again. I also have a major thing against her "I'm not gonna lip-sync like the other bitches", "surprise, a pop show and the bitch can sing" quotes; and it's just not because I have a humongous soft-spot for Miss Spears, I just find it rude and unnecessary.

But, mostly I just let things slide. I see no point in boycotting (you would be surprised how many Facebook requests I get to boycott the likes of Justin Bieber from grown men) artists, as long as their product is good enough, that's all that matters. There's plenty of people who's stuff I don't like (Tyler Perry for example) but I won't pay for their music or movies so it doesn't really matter.

Completely agreed on the fur issue. It makes me sick.

As for the meat-eating issue... We're all born hypocrites, there's nothing we can do about that. I wish I could and say do it, but I don't know if I could ever stop eating meat.

rs_milo_whatever wrote:I don't like Ke$ha, she makes catchy tunes but that's mostly due to her producers since her lyrics are garbage rhymes (Britney's Till The World Ends is her crowning lyrical achievement and that doesn't say much). Her attitude of being sleazy because she can is boring.

I've already said my peace on her, and yes, I defended her in the appropriate thread(s). But I've also meant to award her detractors their good points. Of course, there's one problem. Just a tiny one. What makes Britney Spears any better? Nothing. In fact, the only reason she doesn't get bashed with the same stick is that, even though they both had stupid gimmicks at their grand unveilings ("Baby...One More Time," "TiK ToK"), is that Britney's career has proved its' longevity. Though, if she owes any of that to stupid controversy and sex appeal, and we know she does - it's partially bunk.

The other thing I wanted to say is that our culture has a lot of sleazy pop music in it. And it's really innocent. We love it and thrive off it. And it's not new. Lest we forget:

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Now, I agree a little goes a long way (as "Milkshake," which is just the perfect amount, proves). But she has changed a bit. She still wears silly outfits, but songs like "Blow" are not pushing anything sleazy. She says at the beginning, "dance." What's sleazy about that? And although "Cannibal" might look it, it's just cheeky. The lyrics to that song in particular signal that she has a very inventive sense of humor.

rs_milo_whatever wrote:Lady GaGa. I find the outfits unimpressive and her "Yes. I am here" attitude annoying. Her music is rather good, just not as a-MAH-zing as people make it out to be. I don't like her because she likes to stir controversy wit religion, Born This Way's songs all look like they're gonna have some religious details. I just don't like it, she may be going after Catholicism the most and even though I'm not Catholic I still don't like it. I just don't like the idea of dipping into people's faith for money. And can I just say that she doesn't need it? She's popular and refreshing as it is. I'm also very happy she stopped being so gay campy, it just seems really... desperate. It's just like when Geroge Lopez (OOH!! Geroge Lopez too!) goes on and on about being Mexican (which he isn't) and Latino, and as a Mexican, it's very annoying. However, I'm glad someone is stirring up the pop world again. I also have a major thing against her "I'm not gonna lip-sync like the other bitches", "surprise, a pop show and the bitch can sing" quotes; and it's just not because I have a humongous soft-spot for Miss Spears, I just find it rude and unnecessary.

Keeping up with Lady Gaga is a real JOB that someone needs to be paid for for doing (for example, the whole baseball game bullshit- sports fans are a bunch of morons anyway, and in my opinion they deserved the Roseanne National Anthem debacle)... But, I decided to Google your references and... um, those are just a couple of things she said on-stage during a performance. At her own concert, her own venue, on her own time. It's not the same as though she said it in an interview. And just because some dip with a videophone decides to put these clips up on YouTube doesn't mean anyone should change their opinion of her. If people were keeping this same watchful eye on any famous music star, we would put them ALL in this thread. They've all had their moment of asshole behavior caught on tape.

However, I basically agree that her music is very good rather than astronomical (and if people like Goliath had actually listened to me instead of stuffing words in my mouth, he would have heard that). But I was getting the impression that she wasn't letting fame go to her head. And before people like Ke$ha came along, and let's remember something- her very first single blew up instantly and was a radio and YouTube smash out of the box, there really wasn't anyone like Lady Gaga in America (Goldfrapp was banging this stuff out like nothing in Europe). Unlike Ke$ha and Katy Perry, who whored herself a career upon the controversy generated over "I Kissed a Girl"s passive and questionable bisexuality, Lady Gaga had to perform at clubs for something like a year just trying to get "Just Dance" on the radio meanwhile trying to get Britney Spears to do "Telephone"- selling her songs to other artists.

And give Gaga credit for this- she didn't just tap into the 80's and borrow a little for "Dance in the Dark," she found a way to make you think you actually WERE there again. Goldfrapp decided to do the 80's with their Head First album in 2010, but Gaga beat them by well over 8 months. If her sound, for example, was never that original- it's a lot like the student dictates what the teacher was going to do.

Anyway, yeah Gaga is only good compared to the really astounding artists like Goldfrapp and Roisin Murphy (of Moloko, who were also doing huge club numbers with "Forever More").

rs_milo_whatever wrote:However, I'm glad someone is stirring up the pop world again. I also have a major thing against her "I'm not gonna lip-sync like the other bitches", "surprise, a pop show and the bitch can sing" quotes; and it's just not because I have a humongous soft-spot for Miss Spears, I just find it rude and unnecessary.

That actually makes me like her more.

It doesn't matter where she said it, it was still a public display of arrogance and she insulted others; and I didn't say she didn't have the right to have an opinion, I said she was rude and it was unnecessary. I don't care who you are, you need to be respectful of others, especially those who have had only nice things to say about you. Humility goes a long way and I have more respect for a person like Britney who has never in her life talked smack about another artist. The only time I recall, was when the whole Madonna/Christina/Britney kiss happened, Christina Aguilera said Britney Spears needed a gimmick and was only doing it for attention, to which Britney said "I'm sorry, I might be wrong, but didn't she kiss her too? Don't get me wrong, Christina is a sweet girl, but sometimes the things she says are kind of rude". I find that a lot more appealing than somebody throwing insults at other people.

Also, how were the videos for Tik Tok or Baby One More Time gimmicks? Everyone films music videos for their singles. To an extent, they are gimmicks, but not anymore than the other music videos. If you asked me Britney is a beloved artist because of her attitude and the kind of performer she once was. She was phenomenal, haven't seen anything better since she was on top. Yeah, she lip-synced, but her dancing was amazing. She may no longer be that performer, but neither are disbanded groups or no-longer relevant singers. People love her for who she once was and for her achievement in getting back on track. She manages to retain fans because she still makes better pop music than most people. She may not write it, but the people that write their own lyrics such as Miley Cyrus, Taylor Swift, and Katy Perry have terrible lyrics.