magicalwands wrote:
It has been in on-going battle for me. I'm Catholic and it is really hard for me to get to church anymore. The other week, a speaker came in and talked about visiting some place I forget, full of children who are born handicapped and they are dropped at this place because parents do not want them. He states, "It is unfair because they were born this way." When he said that, it just boils my blood at how much ironic that statement is. Gays were born that way too. (The fact he took it from Gaga made it all the worse!
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Ok, so once again, I'm commenting when I really should leave well enough alone, but what can I say, I guess I just love punishment? Ok, I'm really sick of the "born this way" excuse. It's basically the gay community saying that they have no control over their actions and no desire to better themselves from their original Earthly state, or even see a reason to. This idea has hardly just been used by Gays, it's just that lately, it seems Gays have made it their own.
I've dealt with many people over the years who basically sum up the same reason why they don't need to change or take responsibility for themselves. An argument I hear a lot from Pro-Gun groups, or people defending acts of violence is that man was born to be violent, that it's just who we are. I've head child molesters claim they were born with sexual tenancies for wanting sex with children, thieves and bank robbers say they were born with tenancies to take other people's stuff, shoppers who get into all kind of debt that say they were born with tenancies to shop to much, drunks who say they were born with tendencies to drink too much, and over and over again. Are we starting to see a pattern? You ALWAYS have a choice, always.
I'm not going to say there are not many homosexuals that are not born with such tenancies. Actually, I think many are (but not all), however, I believe such challenges were not allowed to exist so that the challenged could just submit and give in to it, and then never try to be better then they started out as. God means for His children to grow and progress and become more like Him as time passes. Using the argument that it's ok to stay in your flawed condition from birth, regardless if it's in defense of homosexuality or something else, only hurts the one making that argument in the end as they never become more then they are, and it hurts people who buy into it. Even disabled children are expected to grow within their means to become more then they were from birth, everyone is. That is THE reason why we were born on Earth to begin with, to gain a body and to learn and grown and become more then our original us, while we are tested.
magicalwands wrote:
Anyways, I can see why the church would fund anti-gay marriage laws to be passed, but it is so hypocritical they preach all the time about donating to the poor yet all this money is wasted on these marriage laws.
Tell me, does religion speak for God or for man? Ok, I know, in history people have mis-used religion for their own purposes, I'll give you that, but you know what? Everyone of those mis-uses is the exact same thing the Gay community is arguing for when it comes down to it. God, in His infinite wisdom, gives us commandment. Man, thinking they know more, re-writes what God said to fit social feelings of ethics and morals at the time. We've seen this story a zillion times before and it never ends well.
The fact is, we are all sinners. No one WANTS to hear they are messing up, it's called pride, which is he worst sin man can commit really as it keeps men from humbling before God and accepting responsibility for their actions. Religion exist on this Earth, when in it's purest form, to let us know when we mess up and how to fix said messes. If religion is doing it's job right, most of it's message is going to be stuff we don't want to hear, becuase it means we have to take responsibility and grown up and work hard to better ourselves. But, as men do, they try to change the message to not sound so brash, pat themselves on the back for not doing a job well done, and keep messing up. It takes a brave man to say, "NO! Enough! Time to change and get back on track here." As history shows us, those are the men who normally end up silenced. But their silence doesn't make their message any less true.
People want the easy way out and feel they know more then God, the Gay issue is just the latest chapter in that bigger fight.
magicalwands wrote:
I have one more thing to rant about. A LOT of Catholics/Christians have assumed that being gay is wrong. I won't get into that, but I want to say this: they are taking it to the point where they are prejudice.
And so is murder, and adultery, and taking the Lord's name in vain, yet people do all of the above, so does that mean none of it is wrong becuase so many people find joy in these things? Tell me, if a man finds joy in killing another man, would it not be wrong to take that joy away from him? See where this logic falls off the tracks yet? You confuse assuming with knowing. Through time, God has made it known the reality of this topic, it's just many don't want to listen. Doesn't make it any less true. But again, it's how you take it. If you take it like "I may have these feelings, but I can over come them, and in the proses, become a better human being," your on your way to greater things then this life can give. Sadly, most rather exist in the mist and call themselves wise for doing so.
As for the prejudice bit, so is anyone who disagrees with you prejudice? If that is the case, the word has no meaning anymore, seriously. To be fair, it's not just Gays who use this word in this way, but, that doesn't make it any more wrong. Someone can disagree with you and still have all the love and respect in the World for you. It's makes me sad when someone who is Gay stands there after I may defend them, and because I don't see eye-to-eye with them, labels me a bigot. How easy is it to call a man a bigot, but how much harder is it to actually understand him? I would think that a group of people people who are so concerned with their feelings would realize that others have them too, but maybe I'm asking too much?
I do agree that there are many who really would do harm to gays if they could, or see them as something other then human, and these people are wrong for such feelings or actions. But please don't be prejudice yourself in how you interact with people who see it as a sin to be over come. I may disagree with you, but I still see you as a child of God, and within my own human frailty, try to show some kind of respect. But, I admit, as most tests in life are, it gets harder to show respect all the time when your being attacked with venom. So please, do me a favor and help me by not making it so hard to be nice to you. We are all just trying to do what we understand to be better people, you'd do well to realize that and show more understanding for that reality. Christians have feelings too.
Ok, you can keep talking, I'm done for now and getting off my soap box.
