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Re: Remakes, and you're view on them

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:58 pm
by Chernabog_Rocks
Junkie, I do agree with you, to an extent, about the excessive swearing.

Generally, I'm not phased by swearing in itself, the same with innuendos and the like. I myself tend to be a tad dirty/colorful around specific friends that I know are fine with it. That being said, every second word isn't a curse (and I don't mean softcore ones like 'dick' or 'damn').

For movies, I don't care for instances like the Rob Zombie remakes of Halloween. That's sort of where I draw the line on my tolerance, because the excessive amount makes the characters less appealing - to the point I cheer for Michael Myers. Any other movie though, like your average horror flick, I couldn't care less about the swearing since most directors (and screenwriters) tend to show restraint, especially in the 80's and 90's ones.

As it is, I'm actually working on a screenplay as I read through the book from my previous post, and I don't really intend to litter it with sex and swearing. Not because I find it offensive, or am offended by it, but because it does nothing to actually scare the audience.

Re: Remakes, and you're view on them

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:37 pm
by yamiiguy
I haven't seen The Wolf of Wall Street yet but surely it's use of profanity could, in fact, be in agreement with your opinion? By using it so frequently, it stands to reason that Scorsese could be showing that the world he's depicting lacks the decorum of everyday society and that their morals are severely corrupted - despite the fact that the actions of these people impact on all of our lives. As I said though, I haven't seen the film so that's just a theory.

Re: Remakes, and you're view on them

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:20 am
by estefan
yamiiguy wrote:I haven't seen The Wolf of Wall Street yet but surely it's use of profanity could, in fact, be in agreement with your opinion? By using it so frequently, it stands to reason that Scorsese could be showing that the world he's depicting lacks the decorum of everyday society and that their morals are severely corrupted - despite the fact that the actions of these people impact on all of our lives. As I said though, I haven't seen the film so that's just a theory.
That's actually a very spot-on assessment. Scorsese is basically making a critique on excess and at no point are Jordan Belfort and his cohorts meant to be likeable.

Also, The Wolf of Wall Street apparently toned things down a lot from the real events. So, yes, the movie is actually a more restrained version of events, because if all of Jordan Belfort's activities were laid onto the screen, it would surely have gotten an NC-17 rating.

To me, swearing can work if the writer is able to integrate it in a way that feels natural to the environment. The Coen Brothers are usually fantastic at writing swearing, presenting it in a very lyrical way, strangely enough and I stand by my opinion that Fargo contains one of the best screenplays ever written (though it's not simply because of dialogue, but also story structure and characters that make that such an excellent script). However, I felt their newest film "Inside Llewyn Davis" was the first time that the swearing comes off as forced, though that could also have been due to the actors' delivery of the lines.

Swearing is simply a natural part of our vocabulary. I don't typically swear myself, but occasionally a small bomb will come out. It happens. And you can be sure that if the Hays Code wasn't implemented, classic movies would have had harsher swearing, too. Where do you think terms like "Jeez" and "darn" came from?

Re: Remakes, and you're view on them

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:58 am
by Siren
Remakes are NOTHING new.
http://www.cracked.com/article_19190_6- ... makes.html

I am willing to give remakes a chance. Some remakes I liked better than the original. Some I like just as much. I can appreciate reimaginings and remakes. For instance, I like Willy Wonka and I like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I find them both enjoyable. They are very different takes on the story, but both are entertaining for me. I prefer the newer Willard to the older one. The best Black Beauty was the 1994 one.

Re: Remakes, and you're view on them

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:01 pm
by Musical Master
When it comes to remakes, I feel that if there is a new version of a really good movie, the new one has to bring something new to the table or if the first version was really bad then a remake that could make up for the mistakes of the original; then a remake should be called for.

But nowadays it really is about getting a profit from familiar films because of their popularity back then. There is some remakes that I have watched that are really good but there's alot of them that are really, really bad.