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Matt wrote:I wonder how they are going to do the re-release of the Platinum Edition DVD? I know Blu-ray will hold all the movies but now they are adding another movie to the 3 which will make it 4 movies? I am guessing the Platinum Edition DVD will have 3-Disc's?
I SOOO cannot wait for the release! I just hope the colors are back to normal in some parts
(WISHFUL THINKING LOL!)

IF they include the Work In Progress version of the film on the new Bluray. Chances are it will not be in HD.
So they could easily fit it on disc 2 as a bonus feature with plenty of room for more.

This would be a perfect opportunity for Disney to make a worth while Bluray exclusive... If the Work In Progress version was featured as a Bluray exclusive, rather than a few extra games... I'm sure a lot more people would consider upgrading to Bluray over DVD.

They could keep the Work In Progress version in HD and use seamless branching for the fully animated scenes. Then it wouldn't take up too much space. They could actually do the same thing with the two versions of the film itself, so I don't think there will be an issue of space on the Blu-Ray release.

goofystitch wrote:They could keep the Work In Progress version in HD and use seamless branching for the fully animated scenes. Then it wouldn't take up too much space. They could actually do the same thing with the two versions of the film itself, so I don't think there will be an issue of space on the Blu-Ray release.

Firstly, you have to understand... Just because the BD's hold more information than DVD doesn't mean they can fit more movies onto a single disc. That would be the case if they left them at DVD quality. But when they are restored and use lossless audio and 1080p picture rather than 480... They suddenly take up much more space.
If a film takes up 75% of a DVD in 480... It can very likely take up 75% of a BD in 1080.

Secondly, do you understand how much work would have to go into branching every fully animated sequence, back and forth between theatrical version and work in progress version every minute, or 30 seconds, or less... Not at all worth it. Not to mention... There is not much point in restoring an incomplete film to 1080 when 480 would save a ton of space for other features and save time and money that could be put to much better use in other areas of the release.
Is there really a point in seeing sketches in HD ? This is one instance I don't believe a restoration is necessary. Save the money on restoring the theatrical version properly.

The DVD release suffered from having so many versions of the film on a single disc. I hope Disney would be smart enough not to let that happen again.

SO I'm all excited about this and I'm telling my best friend all about it...and he's like "Why would you go see a movie in theater you already have?" ZOMG! I was like "WELL WHY WOULDN'T I WANNA SEE ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOVIES IN THEATER AGAIN!?" then he's like "I think thats a waste of money, and what are they going to make 3-D? There's nothing really in the movie thats 3-D or pops out at you. I bet Disney's laughing in there big chairs that there ripping people off for a movie they've already made years ago." ZOMG AGAIN! I was like "kay first of all, Disney already rips people of their money, Disney sequels hello, no surprise there, secondly, I'd wanna see this in theater again regardless if it was in 3-D or not, and thirdly its the amazingness of nostalgia & memories and seeing my favorite movie in imax giantness and loudness!" (I don't have a home theater system or a nice giant HDTV so this exciting) Then he's like "It's still a waste of money..." SO then I was just (...) "You know what!? Your just being a big pile of pessimistic negativity! And since your not going to see this with me, I'll go with someone else!" GEEZE! That actually led into another argument, which we got over like five minutes later anyway lol.

Who in the San Diego area would like to see this with me?

im sure ull have made tons of new friends by the time its being re-released or u can try to convince ur friend until then.

im glad we too have finally embraced the digital 3d fad. so i can watch BATB if they rereleased it.tho im still hoping theyd start with NB4X next year.

lol I suppose, I'm sure Jimmy aka Poody wants to go see this! So I'll probably see it with him and some other people, I guess I can't blame my best friend. After all I did drag him to see HSM3 lol. And we never saw Saw 5 so I guess I owe him a movie.

DVD controls have an ANGLE feature which is responsible for telling the player which of the parallel tracks to switch to. There can be a small delay between the switch as it takes time for the player's laser head to move to and began scanning the next track.

All Disney or any company has to do is make parallel video tracks and implement ANGLE ("branching") switching for the DVD being watched. ANGLE requires the video tracks to be exactly the same length.

You can see a classic example of ANGLE in LITTLE MERMAID PLATINUM EDITION, within the virtual tour. That game has parallel video tracks that allow the user to switch back and forth between the actual 3D Ride, and animated storyboards, or (if memory serves me correctly - was long ago I worked on it) see the 3D Ride in high res and the storyboard in small detail, and vice versa.

IMO it would be pointless to put the work in progress version in the bluray, if it's already on the DVD then why put that on the Bluray, will you actually tell the difference of the resoloution ?

Jack Skellington wrote:IMO it would be pointless to put the work in progress version in the bluray, if it's already on the DVD then why put that on the Bluray, will you actually tell the difference of the resoloution ?

for those of us like me who never bought the platinum edition. Ive never seen it and I hope they include it.

weather or not its in HD I wouldnt know. it would be nice if it did, but then again the work in progress versions arent ment to look polished like the final product, so I would understand if it was not. if it was indeed in HD then yeah, of course you would notice the difference. any time you get a resolution increase your going to notice. assuming the original transfer was high res to begin with (and its possible it was not)

it just occured to me..why not fantasia 2000? it wouldve been a spectacle in digital 3d..especially pines of rome!

Your right, fantasia 2000 would work very well in 3d I think.

though Im not sure it has the audience B&B would have. any time you can get a movie with an overall plot its probably going to make more money.

if profit didn't matter, then yeah, I could see it.

New article on it:

Disney Producer Reveals Motivation, Method Behind Beauty and the Beast 3D

I recently had the opportunity to speak with legendary Disney producer Don Hahn while he was promoting his new fabulous book, The Alchemy of Animation. Don Hahn has produced a few small, low-budget animated Disney movies during his career (not sure if you’ve ever heard of them, but they include films such as The Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, and The Emperor’s New Groove). We reported on the new Beauty and the Beast 3D remake a few weeks ago, which Don Hahn is helping to produce, but a lot of us were left wondering: Why Beauty and the Beast? And how would they add a third dimension into an essentially 2D film?

So of all the films, why did Hahn and company pick Beauty and the Beast to remake in 3D? The answer was for practical as well as artistic reasons...

THX Neal, that answers a lot of our questions. This new un-named technology seems promising.

WOW!

Making the film bend around 3D virtual objects to actually make it look CG!

Well, as cool as this sounds, it annoys me that people forget hand-drawn animation always tried to look round and dimensional. They always put lines and planes in the characters to give them depth. And now because of CGI we call it all flat and we need to change it for 3D.

Also, I already wondered if, after viewing this, I would start thinking all my favorite 2D films looked flat afterward, but I wasn't worried because I didn't think it would look that 3D. Now, I really am worried I'll start wanting all my films to look this way, thinking they look bad after seeing this!

^ yeah I know what you mean Mike.
So now we have officially 6 versions of the film:

The ORIGINAL Theatrical 1991 Version (Still my First Love!)
The ORIGINAL Work In Progress 1991 Version
The Edit Theatrical 2002 IMAX Version
The Edit Special Edition 2002 IMAX Version
The Edit Work In Progress 2002 Version

Now The Edit 2009 3-D Version LOL
I hope they all fit on the Blu-ray disc.

Matt wrote:^ yeah I know what you mean Mike.
So now we have officially 6 versions of the film:

The ORIGINAL Theatrical 1991 Version (Still my First Love!)
The ORIGINAL Work In Progress 1991 Version
The Edit Theatrical 2002 IMAX Version
The Edit Special Edition 2002 IMAX Version
The Edit Work In Progress 2002 Version

Now The Edit 2009 3-D Version LOL
I hope they all fit on the Blu-ray disc.

Those first five should be able to fit one disc, if they use seamless branching. The 3D version gets a separate disc, and there has to be a separate bonus disc, packed with features.

Oh, who am I kidding. Disney's never going to do that.

Matt wrote:^ yeah I know what you mean Mike.

Matt wrote:The Edit Theatrical 2002 IMAX Version
The Edit Special Edition 2002 IMAX Version
The Edit Work In Progress 2002 Version

By Edit you mean restored?

Hey, maybe the new one won't have new bright eyesore colors...!

^ Edit meaning they touched the Original release and tried to fix stuff that didn't need to be fixed lol.

I just really wanna see some demonstrational screencaps to get a sense of what they mean and see if it matches the idea i get from reading these articles. It's sounding less and less blasphemous of the original.

it makes perfect sense in my mind. if anyone could post a screen cap or two of a simple shot (nothing too detailed, as Im not that skilled) I might be able to demonstrate what I think they mean in 3d.

Im glad to hear their trying to avoid the animated cardboard thing I mentioned at first. that was my main gripe with the chip and dale short I saw. if that can be fixed I might acutally enjoy seeing a 2d film in 3d.