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This is one of the many sites that show examples of his Disney Heroes series. It talks not only about his artwork but also of the connection between Disney and young gays in general, thought it would be interesting to discuss.

http://geminiart.blogspot.com/2008/04/d ... isney.html

Yes it technically could go in the "who here is gay" discussion but since it involved his artwork I'll put it here.[/url]

Thanks for posting the link to the blog, Flanger-Hanger! I love David Kawena's work in general on DeviantArt, especially his Disney heroes series and just his Disney sketches in general like of Atlantis. I found the blog really interesting in its sort of analysis on the topic. I especially found this really interesting:

For young gay guys who are just starting to feel that they are a little different (yes, it does feel different even in grade school) the Disney hero is a safe first crush. It’s safe because he’s not real. It can be explained away as fantasy, hero-worship, love of Disney cartoons, whatever. The Disney world is so welcoming to young gay kids. When real boys are being mean to the gay kid and calling him names, the Disney fantasy world is so much more appealing.

I think this in a way my describe some of my fascination with Phillip and him being my favorite character. I like his character and personality, and sort of see him as only a role model now, but I guess you could say that maybe he really was like my first cartoon crush.

Disney Duster wrote:Well Netty, since Siren is an adult and I was grouped with her I just wanted to make sure you knew I wasn't trying anything.

UmbrellaFish wrote:I don't think Siren ever said he was chubby. Just mentioning that somebody was doing villians instead of heroes.
I agree with you though, I don't think the picture was done very well myself.

UmbrellaFish wrote:I like chubby guys more too. I call them "teddy bears". I rather have a teddy bear than a man with a chiseled body and a chiseled bonehead to go with it.

Like this guy...CAUTION...Pic is by different artist, but similar to other Hero ones. This guy is doing villains!

Yes, that's what she meant. But I'm glad you agree with me about the picture. It almost insults David Kawena's work.

Holy crap....not like taking me out of context here Duster! No, that is NOT what I MEANT!

I meant GASTON was a chiseled bonehead! When I said I don't like chiseled boneheads, like that guy, I meant Gaston. I wasn't saying he was chubby. I think at 29 years old, and with a kid, I'd know the difference between muscular and fat.

When I said I like chubby men, I meant it. I meant as in, dating/attractive wise, I rather be with a guy like the lead singer of Smashmouth than with say Brad Pitt. I like "teddy bear" guys.

Way to go with getting me out of context there. I also wasn't giving any opinion whatsoever on the artwork of Gaston itself. None. I just posted a link of another artist doing similar pics but with villains instead of heroes.

PrincePhillipFan wrote:I think this in a way my describe some of my fascination with Phillip and him being my favorite character. I like his character and personality, and sort of see him as only a role model now, but I guess you could say that maybe he really was like my first cartoon crush.

Maybe I'm out of the ordinary, but I never had a "crush" on any of the animated characters. I certainly recognized some as attractive (in the sense that animation is basically a perfection of the human body in drawing), but, for the most part, I've always loved Disney because it doesn't seem to really focus on sexuality at all. The characters just...are. They don't think about one another like people in the "real" world. I find expressions like, "OMG, he's so HOT," degrading simply because it places face value over persoality. Sure, I'll admit, some people are noticeably attractive, but that shouldn't be a defining characteristic to me.

If I had to pinpoint what Disney character I would most have identified with at a young age (not consciously, of course), it probably would've been Flounder. You know, the nicest girl in the sea's best friend. I find it hard to relate with the Princes, mostly because I'm not masculine in the traditional sense of the word and I surely don't have rippling muscles.

Disney's Divinity wrote:

Maybe I'm out of the ordinary, but I never had a "crush" on any of the animated characters. I certainly recognized some as attractive (in the sense that animation is basically a perfection of the human body in drawing), but, for the most part, I've always loved Disney because it doesn't seem to really focus on sexuality at all. The characters just...are. They don't think about one another like people in the "real" world. I find expressions like, "OMG, he's so HOT," degrading simply because it places face value over persoality. Sure, I'll admit, some people are noticeably attractive, but that shouldn't be a defining characteristic to me.

I didn't mean in the sense though that as a kid I only had a crush on Phillip just because I found them "hot." What really stood out to me the most too is how brave and courageous his character is during battle, his gentle sense of good humor like around Samson, and his willingness to give up the crown and throne to be with a peasant girl he loves. All of these things I think is what made him stand out to me so much in character and attracted me to him. I think that's why now, even though I don't have the kiddish crush I had, he's still my favorite character. I love the depth of his character and courage that he shows more than some of the other Disney male leads.

Sorry Siren...you don't have to rub it in, it definately looked like you could have meant what I read. It's not taking out of context because I quoted you exactly, I didn't remove any part of what you said.

Meanwhile, I think we should take all of a person into consideration. I want to love a person for everything, personality and looks. What's the point of having looks if they mean nothing? They mean something to me. And as I pointed out, I like guys who are chubby, everyone likes different things, it's not like everyone only likes the same look. It's just stupid to ignore physical attraction, unless you ignore it per person to prevent a bad relationship.

Thanks Disney Duster. And I felt you did take it out of context by bolding it. And also by being so defined in your answer to another member as to what I meant. I think when someone is asking what another member means, letting that member explain themselves before you take it upon yourself to give such a definitive answer is the best way to go. I don't need people speaking for me.

And I am not concerned in only how a man looks. I simply prefer chubby men. I have dated far more skinny men though. So believe me, I don't choose a man on his body type. But just as a man may be turned on by blondes, but find the love of his life is actually a brunette, I find chubby guys to be more desirable than skinny ones. But I don't get that picky on looks when it actually comes to dating.

Well said Siren, well said. I just didn't want to wait for you because sometimes members post things and never come back to know someone asked a question to them, because they lose interest and don't expect it, or for whatever reason. I know I've even forgotten about threads I posted in and was waiting for an answer in.

Anyway, it was more about proving how what you said could have been what I thought you said to UmbrellaFish.

EDIT: I'm just editing this message so we'll see how often you come in here. Anyway, I still don't think I took what you said about of context. Think about the phrase. Take it out of context, meaning I take out the words I want and I don't show the rest. While I did bold what part I was talking about, it was still within context because it was still within the whole post you made, so any member could read it and make their own conclusions about it. I was just pointing at what made me think what I thought.

I come in here pretty often. If someone is every unclear with what I said, they can always ask me in PM to let me know there are questions. I am here at least once a day. Usually more.

And bolding one phrase emphasized something I never meant in the actual context of my post as I was writing and reading it. Out of context doesn't just mean you actually have to take apart someone's writings, it can simply meaning skewing them, which I felt you did.

You bolded one sentence and then added

Yes, that's what she meant.

So it wasn't what you "thought" I meant. You felt you were in full knowledge of what I meant. If you had said, "I think that is what she meant.", I wouldn't have taken any offense at all. I would have come in and typed it differently to explain what I really meant. It was that statement alone that bothered me. Unless your my best friend, you shouldn't assume to definitively what I mean. I would never do that to you or anyone. I would always make it clear that I am only assuming.

If you ever have trouble again understanding me, please PM me, rather have other people think you have a window into my mind. Thanks

I have seen this draws and I'm very impressed about them

Not only the resemblance to the original characters, but also the details, shadows, colors, they're excellent jobs!

BUT after I see them, I've got to admit I'm very glad Bambi isn't human

Siren wrote:Thanks Disney Duster. And I felt you did take it out of context by bolding it. And also by being so defined in your answer to another member as to what I meant. I think when someone is asking what another member means, letting that member explain themselves before you take it upon yourself to give such a definitive answer is the best way to go. I don't need people speaking for me.

I want to say sorry for that, by the way. I often speak for other people, and I know it's something I shouldn't do. I've tried retracting from doing that.

Woof!


Errrrr, I mean HOW DISGUSTING AND PERVERTED!!!!!111

Think I should change the title now that Wddi's avatar has changed?

Also the guy still hasn't done Edward yet.

But I like having my name in the title Flang!



But change it if you must...

^ If you want it kept that way that's fine.

BUMP

If you haven't seen Prince Adam I suggest you do so now, it's amazing.

Feel free to bitch about how he did Troy too.

...I'm not going to bitch about how he did Troy.

SpringHeelJack wrote:...I'm not going to bitch about how he did Troy.

How is probably putting it poorly as it is a technically sound drawing in every respect. I suppose "why" would have been a better word. Then again, it's his page and he is allowed to draw what he wants... Now matter how many hundreds of people dislike HSM and said they didn't care much for the subject matter.

I've been checking his gallery occasionally, as he went through all the Brother Bear characters and John Henry from the modern shorts. Why couldn't I have been the first to see Beast? He is gorgeous in that picture.

As for Troy, I think it's very reasonable that he do the character, considering there are millions who do like HSM. And maybe he did it just because the movies are popular and he wanted to add more to the series--I'm sure there's been a few he's done he didn't particularly care for.

If he drew Troy then he should draw Ryan too! But seriously though it would be interesting to see, even if Ryan is a non-hero main character couldn't Thomas from Pocahontas be considered one like that as well? Couldn't figure out why he was included >_>