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Hmmm,how about the story with the fish and the fisherman?.

Prudence wrote:There's something else I would like to see, but not until about twenty years down the road. What? So I can play the role of my namesake? What on earth are you suggesting? ;] A breathtaking, extremely well-done, live action Cinderella movie with more screen time and depth for the majority of the characters. And in all seriousness, waiting until the 2020's for the release would give the producers a lot of time to make it perfect. The special effects would be amazing.

Yes, there are millions of live action Cinderella stories - but I simply can't let go of this idea!

Your thinking is awesome! But, did you want to make a completely new version of Cinderella in live-action, or specifically translate Disney's version? I've wanted, for a while, to do Disney's version, and every once in a while I come up with an idea. Recently I saw a church towering over trees, and from my perspective on the ground, it looked like the spires were touching the clouds. So that castle in the clouds really could be done in a realistic way.

But like you said, I would want this to be worked on and worked on so it's good (at least as good as the original Disney version), and if in the process they realize it's sucking, start all over! And if the first one was recieved well, I would even want the sequels to be done, as long as Cinderella II was reconfigured into one single, much better story.

Siren wrote:Dealing With Dragons would be a good fairytale for Disney with strong female characters.

It depends on what you mean by strong. Snow White may have been passive and a cypher, but she still carried her story. So did Cinderella, and perhaps to a lesser degree, Aurora. But if you have a different meaning for strong, or just girls that are stronger, I think that's fulfilled with Ariel, Belle, and Jasmine.

But the real reason I'm a little peeved is your story is quite obviously anti-Disney princess. Enchanted may also be trying to tell girls that they can be a princess and still take care of/save themselves, but with love for the Disney princesses that came before, too. And apparently embroidery and dancing are just too weak for a girl that needs to fight her own battles. Nevermind that the princesses already knew how to cook and probably could have lived on their own if they got paid for what they did (though today they wouldn't get paid well for cleaning, they could become master chefs or design high fashion outfits!)

But the whole story is like so many others (The Paper Bag Princess, Just Ella) that have princesses who don't want to be princesses because they are associated with weakness and superficiality and they "can't do anything". Even in stories that aren't all about that, there's plenty of stories that still feature a princess who leaves behind her comfortable palace for a chance to fight dragons in a cave. And the whole thing seems kind of outdated, because now it's really obvious and overdone.

But the real reason this gets me is the princess' parents and fairy godmother getting worried that the princess isn't acting like a princess, so they send her off to marry a dim-witted prince. That's so insulting to just about any of the older Disney fairy tales I don't know how Disney could justify making that.

Yea, I want girls to be strong and smart and brave and I don't want girls to be dependent on men or think happily ever after is just going to happen, but Disney should not be using that story to say it.

Disney Duster-Enchanted is not an anti-Disney Princess,it's with the Disney Princess and the massege is-you're responsible for your happily ever after,againts the Shrek streotyps.

Ariel'sprince wrote:Disney Duster-Enchanted is not an anti-Disney Princess,it's with the Disney Princess and the massege is-you're responsible for your happily ever after,againts the Shrek streotyps.

I did not say that Enchanted was anti-princess, I said it just tells girls who want to be princesses to save themselves and fight for themselves, which most people think the older Disney princesses aren't capable of. They don't really fight, anyway. But I know Enchanted is not anti-princess, don't worry! I'm more upset over people thinking cartoon characters aren't as good or developed as live-action people. And the fact that the Disney princesses aren't considered real people to begin with.

Disney Duster wrote:

Ariel'sprince wrote:Disney Duster-Enchanted is not an anti-Disney Princess,it's with the Disney Princess and the massege is-you're responsible for your happily ever after,againts the Shrek streotyps.

I did not say that Enchanted was anti-princess, I said it just tells girls who want to be princesses to save themselves and fight for themselves, which most people think the older Disney princesses aren't capable of. They don't really fight, anyway. But I know Enchanted is not anti-princess, don't worry! I'm more upset over people thinking cartoon characters aren't as good or developed as live-action people. And the fact that the Disney princesses aren't considered real people to begin with.

Oh,okay,yay .
Yeah,exeactly,they think they are weak and arn't real people which is worng.
Also i"m glad to see Giselle more active and show people who's the real hero.

Disney Duster wrote:

Siren wrote:Dealing With Dragons would be a good fairytale for Disney with strong female characters.

It depends on what you mean by strong. Snow White may have been passive and a cypher, but she still carried her story. So did Cinderella, and perhaps to a lesser degree, Aurora. But if you have a different meaning for strong, or just girls that are stronger, I think that's fulfilled with Ariel, Belle, and Jasmine.

First, I NEVER said they don't have strong female characters. You listed a few. I also think of Mulan and Esmerelda. If they made it into a movie, she could be added to that list. What's wrong with having future strong princesses. And my meaning is women who are willing to take their OWN lives in their hands and not allow others to control it. Ariel ran (or swam) away to find love. Jasmine ran away for freedom. Mulan ran away to save her father. Belle sacrificed her freedom for her father. Cimorene runs away for her own freedom. Much like Jasmine. She also went behind her parents' backs like Ariel does (Ariel to collect human things and see humans and Cimorene to learn non-princess things).

But the real reason I'm a little peeved is your story is quite obviously anti-Disney princess. Enchanted may also be trying to tell girls that they can be a princess and still take care of/save themselves, but with love for the Disney princesses that came before, too. And apparently embroidery and dancing are just too weak for a girl that needs to fight her own battles. Nevermind that the princesses already knew how to cook and probably could have lived on their own if they got paid for what they did (though today they wouldn't get paid well for cleaning, they could become master chefs or design high fashion outfits!)

You are comparing apples to oranges. And only a few princesses have shown they can cook, Snow White, Cinderalla for instance. We've never seen Jasmine cook. And Snow White was the only princess who was expected to cook/clean. Cinderalla wasn't a princess by birth. Briar Rose was raised a peasant to hide her true identity, she learned how to cook and clean to survive and keep her secret (that she didn't even know). Jasmine, Ariel, they were born princesses, never seen them cook or clean. Belle like Cinderalla didn't become a princess till she married.
In the Dealing with Dragons universe....Princesses are suppost to learn to sew, dance, and scream when captured by giants. It is frowned upon for them to learn tasks that are meant for SERVANTS. NOT MEN in particular.

But the whole story is like so many others (The Paper Bag Princess, Just Ella) that have princesses who don't want to be princesses because they are associated with weakness and superficiality and they "can't do anything". Even in stories that aren't all about that, there's plenty of stories that still feature a princess who leaves behind her comfortable palace for a chance to fight dragons in a cave. And the whole thing seems kind of outdated, because now it's really obvious and overdone.

Actually, she never says all those things are weak. She just doesn't like them. She is more interested in swordfighting and magic. She's a tomboy in a princess's body. And the meets another princess who fits the "mold" better so to speak. She was captured by a dragon, dislikes him, but must keep the cave clean and cook for him. And Cimorene never fights the dragons. Never wanted to, she went to the dragons to ask them to let her stay there. Kazul let's her and they become friends, the others dislike the arrangement, but deal with it.
And on stories like this have already been done. Yes, you are correct. Very little in this world is 100% original. Enchanted isn't. Not only the story itself, but saying things about how the animated world and the real world collide....let's see...Roger Rabbit, Bedknobs and Broomsticks, Cool World, Mary Poppins, Paula Abdul's Opposites Attract video, and many more Disney and non-Disney movies of animation and the real world together. Lion King was first advertised as their first original story, but then they came clean, it was an adaptation of Hamlet. Brother Bear was adaptations of several Native American stories, the Cinderalla story has been so done, re-done, reinvented, sequeled, and sliced up, that is the original author/creator of the story was alive today, he'd make billions in royalties. Everything from Enchanted to Maid In Manhattan to Pretty Woman all have roots in Cinderalla. So using the excuse, "its been done before so it shouldn't be made". Well then, there would be no books or movies, because they have ALL been made.

But the real reason this gets me is the princess' parents and fairy godmother getting worried that the princess isn't acting like a princess, so they send her off to marry a dim-witted prince. That's so insulting to just about any of the older Disney fairy tales I don't know how Disney could justify making that.

Yeah, Disney would never have a dim-witted prince set to get married *coughedwardcough* And no parents in Disney movies would arrange a marriage because they were worried about their daughters not acting like proper princesses. *coughsultanpowhattancough*.

Yea, I want girls to be strong and smart and brave and I don't want girls to be dependent on men or think happily ever after is just going to happen, but Disney should not be using that story to say it.

Read the book sometime and then give me your final judgment on that. All I did was a summary, there was a bunch more stuff. But regardless, I still would love to see any company be it Disney, Dreamworks, etc make the book into a movie.

Admittedly I did a lot of assuming, like that Cimorene fought the dragons. Here we go:

Siren wrote:Dealing With Dragons would be a good fairytale for Disney with strong female characters.

It depends on what you mean by strong. Snow White may have been passive and a cypher, but she still carried her story. So did Cinderella, and perhaps to a lesser degree, Aurora. But if you have a different meaning for strong, or just girls that are stronger, I think that's fulfilled with Ariel, Belle, and Jasmine.

First, I NEVER said they don't have strong female characters.

I know, but you stressed the strong female point so it made me think you thought there weren't enough! By the way, finding love is sill doing something for yourself, isn't it?

In the Dealing with Dragons universe....Princesses are suppost to learn to sew, dance, and scream when captured by giants. It is frowned upon for them to learn tasks that are meant for SERVANTS. NOT MEN in particular.

That universe is like a mockery of the stereotype that princesses are only supposed to sew, dance, and be saved, which also would mock the princesses in the Disney canon that sew, dance, and are (in most people's opinion, but arguably so) saved. And I'll buy all that servant stuff, that's kind of like Jasmine who wanted to be a regular girl and dressed as a peasant.

She was captured by a dragon, dislikes him, but must keep the cave clean and cook for him. And Cimorene never fights the dragons. Never wanted to, she went to the dragons to ask them to let her stay there. Kazul let's her and they become friends, the others dislike the arrangement, but deal with it.

That's very Snow White-ish!

A for that whole thing about stories being done, I specifically said Enchanted was different from every fairy tale/Disney spoof I've seen or heard of because it does it with reverence for Disney and fairy tales and it doesn't try to say the way the princesses are is bad in any way. But Dealing with Dragons seems to say being a princess in the Disney princess way is bad. It certainly paints it in a very bad light.

I know stories have been done before, I wasn't saying the story itself was too overdone (though it sounded like it, my bad), but more the message that the Disney princesses are weak and girl and girls should be different from them sent through the character of a princess who doesn't want to be a princess has been done to death.

As for the dim-witted prince idea, it makes fun of the older Disney. "Marying a dim-witted" prince directly makes fun of Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, since they all married princes many people accuse them of not knowing enough to marry and the princes having no character and all that. Aladdin didn't make fun of this, but rather had a princess who didn't fall in love at first sight and it just was trying to move the Disney concept of love further.

But the idea of the princesses parents sending her off to marry the prince makes fun of Sleeping Beauty, and the fairy godmother joining them definately makes fun of Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty, even though Cinderella's fairy godmother was just sending Cinderella to "have a go time" at the ball, many people look at it as sending her off to the prince, and even though the three fairies who are often mistakenly called Aurora's fairy godmothers talked about possibly asking the King and Queen to reconsider the arranged marriage, it could be skimmed over and said they just forced Aurora to marry anyway.

Disney Duster wrote:A for that whole thing about stories being done, I specifically said Enchanted was different from every fairy tale/Disney spoof I've seen or heard of because it does it with reverence fro Disney and fairy tales and it doesn't try to say the way the princesses are is bad in any way. But Dealing with Dragons seems to say being a princess in the Disney princess way is bad. It certainly paints it in a very bad light.

What? that's not a bad thing,Giselle kills the villain to show that Princesses are the heroines,and they arn't weak or damsles like some people think.
It's not a bad light.
About this fairy tale-she's merring a dragon? this will never do (they'll have dronkeys XD,um,dronbies).

[quote="Ariel'sprinceWhat? that's not a bad thing,Giselle kills the villain to show that Princesses are the heroines,and they arn't weak or damsles like some people think.
It's not a bad light.
About this fairy tale-she's merring a dragon? this will never do (they'll have dronkeys XD,um,dronbies).[/quote]

Actually the villian fell on her own and if you want to get technical: the Chipmunk was really the one responible as his weight help imbalanced the dragon from holding on to the bending pole.

Ariel'sprince wrote:

Disney Duster wrote:A for that whole thing about stories being done, I specifically said Enchanted was different from every fairy tale/Disney spoof I've seen or heard of because it does it with reverence for Disney and fairy tales and it doesn't try to say the way the princesses are is bad in any way. But Dealing with Dragons seems to say being a princess in the Disney princess way is bad. It certainly paints it in a very bad light.

What? that's not a bad thing,Giselle kills the villain to show that Princesses are the heroines,and they arn't weak or damsles like some people think.
It's not a bad light.

I said that DEALING WITH DRAGONS was the one that painted the Disney princesses in a bad light. I finally saw Enchanted and it definately wasn't anti-princess, it respected them and showed that you can be a princess and still be eal and save people.

Super Aurora wrote:Actually the villian fell on her own and if you want to get technical: the Chipmunk was really the one responible as his weight help imbalanced the dragon from holding on to the bending pole.

That is what I thought! Giselle saved Robert, but she didn't defeat the villain.

Disney Duster wrote:

Ariel'sprince wrote: What? that's not a bad thing,Giselle kills the villain to show that Princesses are the heroines,and they arn't weak or damsles like some people think.
It's not a bad light.

I said that DEALING WITH DRAGONS was the one that painted the Disney princesses in a bad light. I finally saw Enchanted and it definately wasn't anti-princess, it respected them and showed that you can be a princess and still be eal and save people.

Super Aurora wrote:Actually the villian fell on her own and if you want to get technical: the Chipmunk was really the one responible as his weight help imbalanced the dragon from holding on to the bending pole.

That is what I thought! Giselle saved Rober, but she didn't defeat the villain.

Then i don't get it.
How's the film? .

Ariel'sprince wrote:Then i don't get it.
How's the film? .

Oh well, I don't want to spoil exactly how Narissa as a dragon dies, in fact it confused me and I'll have to pay close attention when I see the movie again (which might only be when it's on DVD). But Giselle did end up saving Robert, don't worry.

The film isn't bad, but I wasn't sitting back and enjoying it. I was analyzing it, studying it, and I had some problems with it There was alot of good things (like Amy Adams' forever sweet princess) and some bad things (some things didn't make sense). It was probably good, I was just criticizing it the whole way through!

As long as they don't make it / them too funny (I'm so tired of "funny" Disney animated films) :

Goldilocks and the Three Bears
Rumpelstiltskin
Repunzel
Bony Legs (or The Hut That Stood on Chicken Feet)

I have a feeling another package film could wrap these up nicely.

Disney Duster wrote:

Ariel'sprince wrote:Then i don't get it.
How's the film? .

Oh well, I don't want to spoil exactly how Narissa as a dragon dies, in fact it confused me and I'll have to pay close attention when I see the movie again (which might only be when it's on DVD). But Giselle did end up saving Robert, don't worry.

The film isn't bad, but I wasn't sitting back and enjoying it. I was analyzing it, studying it, and I had some problems with it There was alot of good things (like Amy Adams' forever sweet princess) and some bad things (some things didn't make sense). It was probably good, I was just criticizing it the whole way through!

Sounds great .
But why is dealing with dragon a bad thing for Princesses?.

Ariel'sprince wrote:Sounds great .
But why is dealing with dragon a bad thing for Princesses?.

Dealing with Dragons is the name of the book that I think makes fun of the old Disney princesses (or any princesses of any older fairy tale).

I like Lazario's fairy tales, but is The Hut That Stood on Chicken Feet that same story called Babba Yaga? And I would rather see full fairy tales, not a package feature...I know they'd have to really make up a lot to flesh out the tales, but so be it!

Disney Duster wrote:

Ariel'sprince wrote:Sounds great .
But why is dealing with dragon a bad thing for Princesses?.

Dealing with Dragons is the name of the book that I think makes fun of the old Disney princesses (or any princesses of any older fairy tale).

Oh,i didn't knew it was a book what it's about?.
Does Giselle is based on Mulan and Pocahontas?.
And Shrek is also making fun of the Princesses and make them look like weak damsles in distress (in Shrek Princesses are damsels and Disney Princesses are heroines).

Ariel'sprince wrote:Oh,i didn't knew it was a book what it's about?.
Does Giselle is based on Mulan and Pocahontas?.
And Shrek is also making fun of the Princesses and make them look like weak damsles in distress (in Shrek Princesses are damsels and Disney Princesses are heroines).

On page 2 of this thread, on the very bottom of page 2, Siren talks about Dealing with Dragons as a book she would like to see Disney animate. But it has a princess who doesn't want to be like the other princesses because they get rescued and her parents and fairy godmother want to send her to marry a dim-witted prince and I feel this is a blatant attempt to make the princesses of many fairy tales, especially the older Disney ones, sound bad.

Giselle is like Mulan in picking up a sword to fight, but I think that's it. And anyway, it's not really based off Mulan. She just saw her love getting captured, and she had to save him, so she grabbed the Prince's sword.

Disney Duster wrote:

Ariel'sprince wrote:Oh,i didn't knew it was a book what it's about?.
Does Giselle is based on Mulan and Pocahontas?.
And Shrek is also making fun of the Princesses and make them look like weak damsles in distress (in Shrek Princesses are damsels and Disney Princesses are heroines).

On page 2 of this thread, on the very bottom of page 2, Siren talks about Dealing with Dragons as a book she would like to see Disney animate. But it has a princess who doesn't want to be like the other princesses because they get rescued and her parents and fairy godmother want to send her to marry a dim-witted prince and I feel this is a blatant attempt to make the princesses of many fairy tales, especially the older Disney ones, sound bad.

Giselle is like Mulan in picking up a sword to fight, but I think that's it. And anyway, it's not really based off Mulan. She just saw her love getting captured, and she had to save him, so she grabbed the Prince's sword.

Oh,okay .
It's just reminds me of Shrek (which in it-the Princesses prefer to be damsels) and yeah,it's make a bad image.
So she fight Narrisa becouse Narrisa captured Robert? well,at least she fight her (by the way-does she finds out that the statue she made is Robert? or is it a spoiler?).

Disney Duster wrote:I like Lazario's fairy tales, but is The Hut That Stood on Chicken Feet that same story called Babba Yaga? And I would rather see full fairy tales, not a package feature...I know they'd have to really make up a lot to flesh out the tales, but so be it!

No clue whatsoever.

And - why are you so anti the package feature idea? Just personal preference? Because, why would we want to wait forever for each movie to come out when we could get them all together?

Ariel'sprince wrote:So she fight Narrisa becouse Narrisa captured Robert? well,at least she fight her (by the way-does she finds out that the statue she made is Robert? or is it a spoiler?).

Yea, Narissa goes after Robert. Giselle doesn't realize her statue was Robert, but thanks to you, I relaized the statue wears the same jacket Robert wears at the ball (and it's based off the one Beast wears in Beauty and the Beast!).

Baba Yaga is totally a witch who lives in the hut that stands on chicken legs! Does this sound familiar, Lazario?:

In a number of East European myths, a Baba Yaga (there are more than one) is a cannibalistic witch who lives in a hut on the edge of the forest. The hut stands on chicken legs and will only lower itself after Baba Yaga said a certain rhyme.

I got that from: Guess What? Chicken Hut!
And Google agrees.

Lazario wrote:And - why are you so anti the package feature idea? Just personal preference? Because, why would we want to wait forever for each movie to come out when we could get them all together?

Well, Rapunzel's already being made into an animated feature, intended as a classic with CGI animation made to look and move more like hand-drawn animation.

I just feel the other tales should get the same treatment. But your idea of a package feature isn't bad if they can't figure out a way to make each one into a good full-length movie. You could replace Rapunzel with Little Red Ridinghood.

But one probelm is, if they ever feel they ran out of ideas for feature films, because they won't do original stories forever, and the full-length fairy tale is a tradition for them, they'll never be able to fall back on any of the fairy tales they've already done in the package feature.