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TheLittleMerman wrote: were people this excited when bambi, aladdin, and lion king platinum DVDs came out?

Oh my goodness, the release of the Aladdin DVD...I'd been counting down forever and a day and was FAR too excited. But someone at Disney Catalog loved me....they allowed a little more time for shipping than they needed, so I got my DVD a day early, and OH was I a happy person.

Next day, all my friends were coming up to me..."Hey, Ellen, we saw a commercial saying Aladdin is out on DVD today! Are you going to WalMart after classes?" To which I replied: "I already have it!"

...and yes, I did still pick up the gift set at WalMart in January. I just gave the extra copy of the movie to my brother.

Hm...I saw it on sale at Borders for $20, but the extras seem pretty light and somewhat "fluffy" for a Platinum Edition.

Considering Cinderella was the first Disney film to return to the original movie format (after those "package movies" during WWII), and being one of Walt's personal favorites, I'd expected more substantial extras comparable to Snow White's PE.

I'll probably still buy it, but maybe the next time Mom and I go to Costco.

tu wrote:by the way i read from amazon and there's some discussion about the restored Cinderalla's dress became from Sliver to Blue,is it true they make a change ? or the now what on DVD is the real color ?
how do you think about this ?


tu

I watched the DVD last night and I do not think that they have changed the dress colour. Granted, I haven't watched my old Cinderella VHS since May, and it's from 1987 so the colours had all faded anyway. BUT...I do think that they were very consistent with the dress colour. In the initial transformation scene on the VHS AND DVD, it is most DEFINITELY silver, and it is NEVER a bright blue like we see on the merchandise in either format. It has a pale blue tint to it during a few of the scenes at the ball itself, but the lighting changes throughout that sequence can easily account for that, and I remember the dress as looking more blue at some moments than others on the VHS, too. I don't think they've CHANGED the colours, just brightened them. The only thing that I think looks quite different is Cinderella's hair...it's more blonde and less gingery, but again, still not the yellow that they give her on almost all of the products. It still has a strawberry-blonde quality to it, and I think the reason for the difference is just the cleaning of the movie, not a deliberate re-colouring.

MickeyMousePal wrote:FINALLY!!!!

MY Collection is complete!!!!
My Disney Animation DVD collection will be post up on UD in the next days!!!!

Now, Pals, now! And make sure you're in the picture, so you're not just cleverly arranging someone else's collection to make it look like your Complete Disney Animated Classics Collection!

I just watched Cinderella and cannot BELIEVE how wonderful the colors look!! The restoration is truly amazing.

The movie is even better than I remembered and definitely one of my favorites. I haven't watched disc 2 but was looking at the "bonus features" on disc 1. I definitely was thrown off by the ESPN stuff (I hadn't read most of this thread before watching it). Why the HECK is that on there? I watched the two minute Lance Armstrong thing (nothing I haven't heard before) and that was it.

It seems like Disney was scrapping for bonus features or something. Oh well, I hope the second disc is better.

Anyway, it's great to finally have it on DVD and in contrast to almost everyone who has posted about it- I think the cover art is great and I LOVE LOVE LOVE the disc art- the silver background with color images. I think it looks cool and much different than the rest of the platinums.

I'm really excited that I was able to pick it up. My only problem with the movie is that it is one of my least favorites. Not exactly in a bad way, but personally I like Disney movies that are more "gender universal". I can't really get into it that much. I can't think of any other way to put it besides saying that it's a little "too girly" for me. And I'm a hardcore Disney fan, but it's one of the few I can't get into.

Disney Princess Ariellen wrote:

TheLittleMerman wrote: were people this excited when bambi, aladdin, and lion king platinum DVDs came out?

Just to tell you Ariellen, I didn't post that. Alan did.

*tlm

I'm trying to decide whether I should get the gift set or just the 2-disc....i'm leaning more towards the gift set but i wanted to get some opinions...is the extra $20-some worth it?
i'm going to buy it on the weekend!

Disney Princess Ariellen wrote:

tu wrote:by the way i read from amazon and there's some discussion about the restored Cinderalla's dress became from Sliver to Blue,is it true they make a change ? or the now what on DVD is the real color ?

I watched the DVD last night and I do not think that they have changed the dress colour. Granted, I haven't watched my old Cinderella VHS since May, and it's from 1987 so the colours had all faded anyway. BUT...I do think that they were very consistent with the dress colour. I remember the dress as looking more blue at some moments than others on the VHS, too. I don't think they've CHANGED the colours, just brightened them. The only thing that I think looks quite different is Cinderella's hair...it's more blonde and less gingery,and I think the reason for the difference is just the cleaning of the movie, not a deliberate re-colouring.

thanks for the reply! that's what i am thinking too!
i think the restored version looks great
after all it's their precious work,i don't think they will just change the color to match all these princess products. look at those Sleeping Beauty in PINK....

tu

ok about the color being too bright for some people and the film too grainless: looking at Luke's review captures I think the colors seem to look fine. In fact they don't look as saturated as i'd expected

I'll do the Technicolor color routine again:

TECHNICOLOR films were shot in black and white film through pure color red green and blue separation filters.

The Technicolor process has the capacity to RECORD colors way beyond moden color TV colors, about 30-40% more color gamut (or space/area/saturation) than modern NTSC's (SMPTE "C"), PAL's (EBU), or HDTV's (sRGB), color primaries. So Technicolor prints could look as saturated and even more saturaded on certain colors than any DVD/TV presentation today. ok?

About color changes from blonde to redheads or silver to blue, apart from "see above", the path from Technicolor b/w pure color separation negative to interpositives to print dyes to telecine transfer on NTSC primaries photomultiplier tubes to compromised modern NTSC SMPTE "C" color phosphours is a thorny path indeed and by the nature of dyes and color mixing all these things can alter color saturation and hue on their way. Old transfrers usualy have lots of color errors, desaurating, and sometimes boosting, hues in strange and unexpected ways. It's all part of color photography and art. Hopefully with todays more standarized practices, professional displays, and digital, the color we see on the latest transfers are more thruthful to the source.

And another thing: if you're watching Cinderela on a consumer TV chanses are that the TV is bending the colors somewhat, as the TV may not have the exact SMPTE "C" or sRGB or EBU phosphours and it probably has an auto tint or red color push built in. And you probably have the black level way off and you could have the set's white point color temperature set to blue
Also the colors of your walls and lightbulbs influences how you perceive colors on the screen

So mmm better bet to have an idea what's on the discs is to look at captures on a CRT puter monitor set to D65 and black level set to 0

Don't forget to calibrate your PowerDVD or whatever settings too

If the colors still look too bright to you, you can always turn down the color (saturation) control!


And now I'll do the 1.375 Academy/Technicolor negative grain on NTSC DVD thing again:

Academy films shot on Technicolor have 7 times the negative area per picture height than modern Super35 shot films!

For example if you photographed a tight close up of Frodo or Neo or Austin on Super35 the head would be recorded on aproximatedly ONE HUNDRED square millimeters of color film.
If you photographed a tight close up of Cinderella or her stepmother it would be recorded on SEVEN HUNDRED square millimeters of b/w film. 7 to 1 ratio. So putting the two head shots side by side the Cinderella's grain structure would be reduced up to 7 times from its original visibility compared to the Austin Powers grain visibility.

Now we take THAT and shrink it to tiny 500 pixels per picture height NTSC DVD, and the visibility of these grains could be further reduced up by a factor of another 10 to 15 times! Ok?

if all things are being done correctly i mean

Lets do the TV warp a-gaainnnn!



By the way Luke, thanks for the copious in depth DVD features and supplement review again.

And i like the story. is to close to my heart. Ashes to Ashes

Luke Wrote:

Now, Pals, now! And make sure you're in the picture, so you're not just cleverly arranging someone else's collection to make it look like your Complete Disney Animated Classics Collection!

Why should I do that? I'm totally going to be in the picture if I could or at least half and half of the collection.

Disney Princess Ariellen wrote:

tu wrote:by the way i read from amazon and there's some discussion about the restored Cinderalla's dress became from Sliver to Blue,is it true they make a change ? or the now what on DVD is the real color ?
how do you think about this ?


tu

I watched the DVD last night and I do not think that they have changed the dress colour. Granted, I haven't watched my old Cinderella VHS since May, and it's from 1987 so the colours had all faded anyway. BUT...I do think that they were very consistent with the dress colour. In the initial transformation scene on the VHS AND DVD, it is most DEFINITELY silver, and it is NEVER a bright blue like we see on the merchandise in either format. It has a pale blue tint to it during a few of the scenes at the ball itself, but the lighting changes throughout that sequence can easily account for that, and I remember the dress as looking more blue at some moments than others on the VHS, too. I don't think they've CHANGED the colours, just brightened them. The only thing that I think looks quite different is Cinderella's hair...it's more blonde and less gingery, but again, still not the yellow that they give her on almost all of the products. It still has a strawberry-blonde quality to it, and I think the reason for the difference is just the cleaning of the movie, not a deliberate re-colouring.

Ariellen is right, tu. I there is none, if any, change in her dress colors, except when the lighting changes (most specifically during the 'So This Is Love' scene). I, personally don't notice much a change about her hair color, but that it probably just my eyes.

*tlm

What its not in widescreen?

bradhig wrote:What its not in widescreen?

Cinderella was never in Widescreen. It was filmed in fullscreen (1.37:1 which is basically the size of a normal 4:3 TV, which is 1.33:1).

bradhig wrote:What its not in widescreen?

http://www.ultimatedisney.com/oar.htm

TheLittleMerman wrote:Just to tell you Ariellen, I didn't post that. Alan did.

*tlm

Oops...I apologize. There were so many quote things, I got a little lost in the HTML.

I'm not an idiot, I promise!

In other news, I have a message letting me know that my gift set has arrived, so tomorrow (hopefully...), it shall be in my hands and subsequently, my DVD player. Yay!

tu wrote: thanks for the reply! that's what i am thinking too!
i think the restored version looks great
after all it's their precious work,i don't think they will just change the color to match all these princess products. look at those Sleeping Beauty in PINK....

tu

Oh, you're welcome! And yes, the movie does look great; one of my best friends bought it yesterday and we watched it at her apartment; mine did not arrive until today (I'd preordered through Amazon and couldn't afford speedier shipping )

And...well, suffice it to say that the amount of Sleeping Beauty-in-pink product makes me shake my head sadly and that it's a shame that as amazing as THAT DVD was, the cover art even caved to the pinkdom.

I finally just finished watching the movie. I watched straight through, and was NEVER bored with it. It's just as enchanting as I remembered it, and I really enjoyed it! It is such a charming little film. The characters are such fun. I mean, come on...Who wouldn't want a few talking mice, singing birds, and other little critters, keeping you company, and doing some of your work?

The only complaint I have about the movie...is the ending. It seems just a little too rushed, once Cinderella comes down the stairs to try on the glass slipper. Other than that itty bitty complaint, I find the film very enjoyable.

The transfer is BRILLIANT! Amazing! I can't believe how great this film looks. I think it the BEST restoration of ANY of the Platinum Editions. The restoration of Bambi should have been as good as this one.

I haven't watched any of the bonus features, yet. I intend to do that over this coming weekend. I'm excited to see the bonus features pertaining to the film. I'll watch them all, as I usually do.

I can honestly say that I'm glad I added this title to my collection. I would have, anyway, because I'm building my Disney collection, but, it's when you really enjoy it, that makes it all worth while.

I only had time to take a quick look at last night.

I was surprised to see that the R2 version doesn't have the trailers for The Little Mermaid, Cinderella III or Cars.
I also couldn't find the Making Of for the video by Disney Channel of Friends.

Any other R2 owners here who noticed that?

There was a pleasant surprise though. Here in South Africa the Cinderella DVD came with a coupon for a Cinderella storybook. You simply send the coupon in along with $1.50 and they send you the book.
This is a first for South Africa, seeing as we've never gotten collector's gift sets, plush toys, or discount coupons with our Disney DVD's.

Just got finished watching the Platinum Cinderella and have a few observations:

(1) The restoration is absolutely gorgeous! I've never seen the print looking so good--the Technicolor literally reaches out and grabs you.

(2) It was great seeing Cindy in DVD format, because that way I can move through the film frame by frame. I've always wanted to see how the transformations work, including her dress. From what I can tell, the actual full transformation of Bruno, et all, was obscured by stars at the pivotal moment. I also went through the "dress-ripping" sequence frame by frame and was impressed at just how vicious it really is. One of them actually rips the headband away from Cinderella. And watch their expressions! Awful!

(3) I thought it was a nice touch that Cindy's hair changes color, depending on the light. Sometimes it's blonde, other times, a darker blonde, and in certain scenes, she's almost a brunette. The same light fluctuations occur with her gown: first, it's silver, then blue and white. I much prefer the silver look, since the dress seems voluminous as she spins around and admires herself in the fountain.

(4) I think Cinderella is Disney's first "modern" heroine. The way her face is drawn, her pleasing, contemporary voice, even her "flats." They all strike me as much more "today" than, say, Snow White, with her annoying, trilling voice. Cindy has much more more in common with Ariel and Belle than with Snowy.

(5) Loved the way the cartoon figures (fairy godmother/stepmother) were patterned after their real-life counterparts. I'm 52 and remember seeing both actresses on television during the early 60's. In fact, Verna Felton did a very famous "I Love Lucy" where she played a grumpy maid who completely intimidates Lucy. Miss Audley appeared on The Beverly Hillbillies several times, and you can't miss their very distinctive voices, not to mention their very distinctive looks!

(6) There are at least three mistakes in Cinderella. The first has to do with Cindy's "old" dress. When she first puts it on the dress form, it has no collar. Later, when the mice are working on it, we can clearly see that they're removing a small white collar. The second again has to do with the dress. When the birds bring up the bow to Cindy's dress and later trim it with scissors, how the heck is the bow staying up? We don't see anybody sewing it--apparently, it merely sticks to the neckline by sheer force! The third involves the fairy godmother. Watch the scene where she treansforms the pumpkin to the coach: at the end of the sequence, we can see her off to the left, with her wand still raised. Immediately, the scene cuts to a medium shot of her, and she's suddenly holding the wand in the palm of her other hand!

(7) All in all, I am very pleased with the Platinum Cinderella. Can't wait for The Little Mermaid and Lady and the Tramp!

Rod:D