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Semaj wrote:

Disney's Divinity wrote:Nearly all Disney films have their share of plotholes.

This, and the ones in Frozen are hardly even noticeable. I really did not see any problem with making Hans the villain. Too much foreshadowing would've spoiled the surprise.

Hardly noticeable? Precisely the contrary as the video mentions!

Clear examples...

-So, Anna and Elsa didn´t have any contact for years and all of a sudden the act of true love is how much they love each other?

Sorry but no. I have cousins that grew up with me as brother and sister. We had problems that has made us keep apart from each other through years and as such I can´t say I love them anymore; or at least not remotely the same as I did back then. So no. Just because you belong to a family doesn´t automatically make love each member.

-All Anna really wanted through out the years was having a relationship with Elsa. The castle doors open and that changes where she just wanted to fall in love?

I can´t tell of a single Disney movie other than Frozen that has as much and as noticeable plot holes as this one.

Frozen-dislike is strong in this thread. And that video contains nothing substantial but nitpicking.

Those are not plot holes. Plot hole is something that is inconsistent or illogical compared to something that was previously established (i.e. Mother Gothel knowing the song to 'activate' the powers of a magical flower or royal family/guards knowing that the flower had magical powers when it was clearly stated that the flower was one of its kind and practically no-one should have known it even existed. And that flower is practically what the whole movie revolves around.).

Anna kept being shut out by Elsa which prompted her to look for a quality relationship elsewhere and/or romanticize about meeeting 'the one' who would take her away from her family issues. Problems like those are not uncommon in real-life.

1. I don´t hate Frozen. I get the appeal and why people like it. In end is just a fun and very entertaining movie.

...I myself bought it not long ago. Watched it. And the movie was just rolling credits when I felt like watching it instantly.

2. Mooky, the way Anna wants to fall in love doesn´t make any sense.

The way the movie shows this is by, just as soon as she finished the song of the snow man, she gives up on Elsa, it´s time for the coronation and it´s then that´s when she wants to fall in love.

The video is not pointing stuff just because. It´s making valid statements (not counting the chocolate jokes and such).

-The fell in love smile/face Hans makes under the boat, the way Anna is left there in a huge room in the castle just to die (didn´t stay to make sure, tie her or gag her so no one could listen to her)...


As charming, fun and entertaining the movie is no one can´t deny it´s many faults. They´re there.

DC Fan wrote:I don´t hate Frozen. I get the appeal and why people like it. In end is just a fun and very entertaining movie.

...I myself bought it not long ago. Watched it. And the movie was just rolling credits when I felt like watching it instantly.

Well, okay. I just feel this current anti-Frozen sentiment is the age-old case of "It's way too popular for a movie I didn't like, so I must complain/find something wrong about it". Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King went through the exact same thing (Titanic, The Dark Knight and Avatar have as well -- and I don't even like a couple of them), but it's gotten really annoying when the complaints have no basis in reality whatsoever.

DC Fan wrote:Mooky, the way Anna wants to fall in love doesn´t make any sense.

The way the movie shows this is by, just as soon as she finished the song of the snow man, she gives up on Elsa, it´s time for the coronation and it´s then that´s when she wants to fall in love.

There's a three-year timespan between the end of DYWTBAS and the coronation. It's not hard to imagine that Anna fully gave up on Elsa during that time period and that they have had little to no communication because Anna was flabbergasted when Elsa suddenly spoke to her at the party. And during that same period her priorities changed/she grew up -- hormonal changes/sibling issues and all.

DC Fan wrote:The fell in love smile/face Hans makes under the boat,

It's called subtlety and ambiguity... He might have as well imagined himself sitting on the throne and smiled because of that. Anything other than that would have ruined the twist later on. It's like you guys wanted him to twirl his (non-existing) mustache and laugh maniacally – now that would have been terribly clichéd and we already got that with the “I already have” line.

DC Fan wrote:the way Anna is left there in a huge room in the castle just to die (didn´t stay to make sure, tie her or gag her so no one could listen to her)...

She was growing weaker by minute and could barely move/speak, he figured she'd die soon so why waste time on gagging/tying a dying person when he had a story to sell.

DC Fan wrote:The video is not pointing stuff just because. It´s making valid statements (not counting the chocolate jokes and such).

Again, that video is pretty much nothing but nitpicking. And like qindarka already said, it was not meant to taken seriously in the slightest. The ONLY thing they were right to complain about was Elsa's source of food in the ice castle. Heck, even I have more valid complaints about the film than what those guys came up with.

Frozen is at $1.245 Billion. Just last week it made about $11 million in Japan, so it doesn't seem to be dropping very fast. It could potentially pass $1.3 billion and then Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows Part 2's $1.341 (not sure it would do that though). It probably has at least $30 to $50 million to go in Japan (Currently $218 million). Unfortunately, it looks like Spirited Away ($229 million) will be passed soon, however ticket sales will probably keep it as the top dog (or cat to be honest) in Japan (I have not researched that, so I could be wrong).

After reading most of these posts about Frozen, I am really confused as to why there are so many negative comments. Especially when this movie has broken most of the box office records wherever it has played.

"Frozen" has brought in over $1.3 billion in box office and shows no signs of slowing down. It is probably one of the best "family" films since the early years of Disney.

Do any of you just go to the movies to watch the movie. It seems like most of you go to be a 'nit-picking' critic and find ways to not like a genuinely good film.

You talk about 'plot-holes' and I was dare anyone to list a movie that doesn't have some sort of plot-hole in it. That's what makes movies so much fun. You still have to figure out little things that make the story much better or worse, depending on the film.

Why not have a discussion about the movie without being so damn critical. There have been very few perfect movies ever made in the history of motion pictures. Taking apart a blockbuster Disney film like "Frozen" seems to be a stretch but that seems to be what drives most of you, it seems.

When we have a "discussion" thread, let's try to discuss the more positive things about the film and not dwell on what may or may not be the negatives. This would be such a more happy place if we all kept our personal 'hates' for certain films to ourselves rather than stir up people to agree or disagree with your opinion.

Besides, if you voiced all your opinions directly to Disney, how far would that get you? Let's all just remember that movies are supposed to be our best form of entertainment, and for the most part, they are. But it is not up to us to be so negative about a film, especially an animated one. I don't want to say that everyone doesn't have their opinion, because everyone does, and whether or not we agree or disagree seems to be what sets us off on this 150-plus page tangents.

I, myself, have found nothing wrong with "Frozen". The story is good, the animation is outstanding, the colors are brilliant, and the characters are well defined. That's what I expect for a good 'family' movie, and that's what I get with "Frozen".

If we were all so smart to know how to make the perfect film we would be working for Disney or whatever company we think we know more than they do.

Cinema Sins are a satirical source, not a literal, point by point analysis.

But I must agree when it's stated that the movie was afraid to have her make a choice between two guys. I think it would have been much more stronger for the theme to have her think "Hans or Kristoff?" and then ultimately decide that her love for Elsa was the right choice. With the Hans reveal, and later the talk with Olaf, it's imprinted that she needs to be TOLD which guy is wrong for her, which guy cares, and ultimately push Elsa to the back burner.

Like, I am loving the idea of Anna deciding to look for Elsa herself, while her heart is freezing, and then sees "nice guy" Hans about to axe the Queen off. Because at least we would be spared of that darn lazy Hammy with Hans scene.

DC Fan wrote: As charming, fun and entertaining the movie is no one can´t deny it´s many faults. They´re there.

I think many people could deny quite a number of these imagined faults. Anna's arc, for instance, makes complete sense to me personally, and nothing Hans does clashes with his reveal for me either.

dvdjunkie wrote:When we have a "discussion" thread, let's try to discuss the more positive things about the film and not dwell on what may or may not be the negatives. This would be such a more happy place if we all kept our personal 'hates' for certain films to ourselves rather than stir up people to agree or disagree with your opinion.

Movies like this one are making Disney not care about hand-drawn animation anymore, so what's so positive about that?

Besides, it's been hard for me to keep things to myself when there's just so much about what animation is like today that I absolutely don't like and I want to just vent it out.

2Disney4Ever wrote:Movies like this one are making Disney not care about hand-drawn animation anymore, so what's so positive about that?

Look, 2Disney. We know you want 2D movies. That's all you have been talking about. But, really. You've been missing out so much. Open your eyes. 3D is as good as 2D and it's now the majority. Get in the program. Please just sit down to Frozen, WIR, Bolt etc. and just overlook the animation and just enjoy it. Enjoy the stories, the characters, the music etc. Why does it even matter if it's 2D? It's just movies. You should take your mind off this right now. And with all respect, may you please stop talking about it? We get the message.

disneyprincess11 wrote:

2Disney4Ever wrote:Movies like this one are making Disney not care about hand-drawn animation anymore, so what's so positive about that?

Look, 2Disney. We know you want 2D movies. That's all you have been talking about. But, really. You've been missing out so much. Open your eyes. 3D is as good as 2D and it's now the majority. Get in the program. Please just sit down to Frozen, WIR, Bolt etc. and just overlook the animation and just enjoy it. Enjoy the stories, the characters, the music etc. Why does it even matter if it's 2D? It's just movies. You should take your mind off this right now. And with all respect, may you please stop talking about it? We get the message.

I used to enjoy both equally, but now I just see CGI for the problem that it is and I just want to stick up for the medium that deserves the support more. Studios have not done any favors by how many endless CG movies they've churned out over the years, or by giving up the value they had in 2D animation for these kind of movies, because now it's been so much that I don't even feel like wanting to watch CG movies anymore. Ironically, while the studios may have believed that people only wanted to see CG movies, it's those movies that I've finally lost my taste for.

For the record, I did used to own Chicken Little and Bolt on DVD because those movies came out before Princess and the Frog, which I knew was supposed to revive hand-drawn animation, so I guess I was giving Disney some slack for those first three CG movies until they did. But when I saw that Disney's situation with 2D animation wasn't getting any better after that, I ultimately sold those movies off because they no longer fit my views on Disney and I was not going to keep anything around that would support what I don't want Disney to be doing. And I don't feel like I've lost anything from it either. Now all my DVD and Blu-Ray support is going into Disney's 2D works like Princess and the Frog.

disneyprincess11 wrote:

2Disney4Ever wrote:Movies like this one are making Disney not care about hand-drawn animation anymore, so what's so positive about that?

Look, 2Disney. We know you want 2D movies. That's all you have been talking about. But, really. You've been missing out so much. Open your eyes. 3D is as good as 2D and it's now the majority. Get in the program. Please just sit down to Frozen, WIR, Bolt etc. and just overlook the animation and just enjoy it. Enjoy the stories, the characters, the music etc. Why does it even matter if it's 2D? It's just movies. You should take your mind off this right now. And with all respect, may you please stop talking about it? We get the message.

In other words, Let It Go.



Look, we get that you want hand-drawn to make a comeback but you ate NOT helping your cause. Just give these movies a chance, please?

moviefan12 wrote:Look, we get that you want hand-drawn to make a comeback but you ate NOT helping your cause. Just give these movies a chance, please?

I don't think that would help my cause either.

2Disney4Ever wrote:For the record, I did used to own Chicken Little and Bolt on DVD because those movies came out before Princess and the Frog, which I knew was supposed to revive hand-drawn animation, so I guess I was giving Disney some slack for those first three CG movies until they did. But when I saw that Disney's situation with 2D animation wasn't getting any better after that, I ultimately sold those movies off because they no longer fit my views on Disney and I was not going to keep anything around that would support what I don't want Disney to be doing. And I don't feel like I've lost anything from it either. Now all my DVD and Blu-Ray support is going into Disney's 2D works like Princess and the Frog.

Sorry to be mean, but you are really overthinking this.

disneyprincess11 wrote:

2Disney4Ever wrote:Movies like this one are making Disney not care about hand-drawn animation anymore, so what's so positive about that?

Look, 2Disney. We know you want 2D movies. That's all you have been talking about. But, really. You've been missing out so much. Open your eyes. 3D is as good as 2D and it's now the majority. Get in the program. Please just sit down to Frozen, WIR, Bolt etc. and just overlook the animation and just enjoy it. Enjoy the stories, the characters, the music etc. Why does it even matter if it's 2D? It's just movies. You should take your mind off this right now. And with all respect, may you please stop talking about it? We get the message.

On the bright side, I'm toning down my obsessive behavior for hand drawn. And I'm sure Disney will come back doing another hand drawn animated feature, if there ready.

Also, I don't understand why is everybody being negative on Frozen's popularity? Frozen is a great movie! And it's even better than a stupid movie about a ditzy girl falling in love with stupid werewolves and overkill dressed vampires. BAM! I went there!

my life as a disney princess. elsa has a real life twin.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rozen.html

Great, now how many times will people bring up the "Elsa's living twin" thing?

I defientely wish her luck for OUAT! It'd be wonderful if Disney offers her this, despite her being a new comer

Some new Frozen merchandise will be released soon.

This includes but is not limited to: different outfits for the toddler dolls, Anna and Elsa skating dolls, an Elsa that sings "Let It Go" that will be released in 25 different languages, and costumes that play music and light up when you twirl (at 0:55 in this video).

It's a no for Josh Gad for the Broadway show

http://www.broadwayworld.com/article/No ... 6XMHhaRPwI