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recall story doesn't sound that bad..........but if they did make a Toy story 3, I think the story would be a little more creative.

I dont think they should do it. The story was nicely wrapped in #2 AND Slink & Weezey are gone.

Here's the latest, from Tim Allen, on Toy Story 3.

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/pu ... 7200.shtml

Tim Allen: 'Toy Story 3' on Track
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By Marilyn Beck and Stacy Jenel Smith
Jul 21, 2006

"Toy Story 3" is moving right along and "it's going to be great." That's the word from Buzz Lightyear himself, Tim Allen. "We have John Lasseter, the original director, and I believe Tom is on board," he adds, referring to Tom Hanks -- aka the voice of his cowboy buddy, Woody.

The follow-up to "Toy Story" and "Toy Story 2" was en route to being made by Disney, without the creative talents of Lasseter and the rest of the Pixar animation team that made the first two movies instant classics. When Pixar was acquired by Disney in January, Lasseter, the Pixar co-founder who is now Disney's Chief Creative Officer, pulled the plug on that version immediately and literally put "TS3" back on the drawing boards.

Allen refers to the latest version of the story as "stronger" than the old one.

"I don't like doing them too much," he says of lending his voice to animated films. "It's not my favorite gig, working alone in dark studios. But I love the end result. My daughter, at 16, still plays the 'Toy Story' DVDs with her friends," he adds. "Those and the 'Home Improvement' collections."

With his "Zoom" feature coming out Aug. 11, Allen -- who's been busy making "Wild Hogs" with John Travolta, Martin Lawrence and William H. Macy -- is looking forward to some summer down time. "I have a boat up in Michigan," he says, "and a rustic cabin in Colorado, up in the mountains."

MadonnasManOne wrote:Allen refers to the latest version of the story as "stronger" than the old one.

Tom and Tim are back, that's good. I hope Mr. Allen has good taste in movies and he's right when he says the third one is stronger. Now that I think of it, I'm not surprised they still have a story to tell. After watching the Toy Story features, they were very passionate about making it (part of it had to do with them working with toys), so I bet they're enthusiastic for another one.

I can't wait.

Apologizes for quoting someone months ago when his views could've changed as we've gotten different news but...

PatrickvD wrote:Disney's version of Toy Story 3 was gonna be made by Circle 7, but frankly, I think we all knew that was just a way to lure Pixar back (of course all this was when Eisner was still in charge) I've also said many times Circle 7 would never produce a single frame of animation, I was right since they don't exist anymore. (did they ever truly exist anyway?)

Iger has said many times any sequel to a Pixar film would now be made by Pixar. It would be redicolous to have Disney make them now that Pixar is working side by side with WDFA.

Ah, but actually, they're going with the story Disney thought of as explained here.

So much for Pixar's "creativity"(ha)! They didn't even give time to think of another draft. Like they just wanted a third one for commercial shake. Isn't Pixar all about "originallity" like the critics say?

Now I know some could argue the quality of stuff like animation or voices, but I'm sure both would've worked just fine if Disney was without Pixar. So in all my point is, is it really right to credit Pixar when this movie comes out? After all, Disney's the one that thought of the story and Pixar lovers will be so quick to correct if you said "[Insert Pixar title] is a Disney movie", so it wouldn't be right if, with the exception of the animation, Pixar got any credit for Toy Story 3.

i hope pixar will have another the Incredibles 2 because i love the Incredibles in disney on ice.

Timon/Pumbaa fan wrote:Ah, but actually, they're going with the story Disney thought of as explained here.

So much for Pixar's "creativity"(ha)! They didn't even give time to think of another draft. Like they just wanted a third one for commercial shake. Isn't Pixar all about "originallity" like the critics say?

I think you're very confused. The plot printed in Entertainment Weekly was what <i>Toy Story 3</i> was going to be like with Disney's "Circle 7" in the helm. To date, no one has posted an accurate synopsis of <i>Toy Story 3</i> as Pixar is working on it. (However far along production is, it's definitely not at the point where an outline has been passed along to EW or elsewhere.) I know you're all about shooting down Pixar films based on pre-release material, but at least get your facts straight, please.

Timon/Pumbaa fan wrote:
Ah, but actually, they're going with the story Disney thought of as explained here.

So much for Pixar's "creativity"(ha)! They didn't even give time to think of another draft. Like they just wanted a third one for commercial shake. Isn't Pixar all about "originallity" like the critics say?

First, as Luke said, please, get your facts straight. You are going off on Pixar (again...how original ), about something you've misunderstood.

Pixar is creating the film, as Bob Iger has stated, which means the story, the animation, everything. The story that Disney was working on IS NOT being used. If you would get off your high horse, you would see that Pixar is creative, and much more original than you give them credit for. They have created 7 films which have all been hits. That's 7 straight blockbuster films in a row. That's unmatched in film industry, these days.

Here is a link to animated-news.com which has points out that Tim Allen briefly talked about Toy Story 3 to The National Ledger. Below is a link to the news update and a quote from the site and to read the interview in full click the 1st link below:

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/pu ... 7200.shtml



http://www.animated-news.com/archives/00005274.html

Speaking with the The National Ledger, Tim Allen refers briefly to Disney/Pixar's Toy Story 3. "It's going to be great," comments the voice of Buzz Lightyear himself. "We have John Lasseter, the original director, and I believe Tom [Hanks] is on board." Allen further describes the current version of Toy Story 3 as being "stronger" than the previous one planned by Disney's now-defunct Circle 7 Animation. Thanks to "bawpcwpn" at the Animated News Forum for the heads up!

I remember reading an article about Toy Story 3. In it, Andrew Stanton stated they didn't read Disney's plot idea on purpose because they didn't want to be influenced.

All this talk about plot, and I'm pretty sure we saw the basics of the plot on the Ultimate Toybox: Andy and his sister grow up, the Toys fear destruction or worse, but are given to an orphanage and end up being played with forever.

Yes, it will undoubtably have more content (and the cynic in me suggests this will be Buzz and Woody going "into the outside world" on some sort of mission - with hilarious and emotional concequences)

But as it stands, the above seem the ideal way to round-up the series. Given Pixar's famous dislike for sequels (although I've yet to see any actual evidence of this - many of their films are "thematic" sequels) they can't be planning a Toy Story IV can they?

let's just hope Pixar comes up with a good story so that Toy Story 3 will be released.

Well, I really don't think Pixar's version will be much different.

I just really can't believe the whole toys going to an orphanage story. Sorry, but I just can't actually see it happening. It would just be pointless and bitter end to a beloved franchise.

There really isn't any story for a Toy Story 3 unless they rehash the first two. And I must say, if it ends up being about Buzz getting "lost" then the credit should go to Disney.

Still I think cancelling TS3 and making a t.v. show is their best bet. Too bad that's probably not going to happen.

Timon/Pumbaa fan wrote:Well, I really don't think Pixar's version will be much different....

There really isn't any story for a Toy Story 3 unless they rehash the first two. And I must say, if it ends up being about Buzz getting "lost" then the credit should go to Disney.

Still I think cancelling TS3 and making a t.v. show is their best bet. Too bad that's probably not going to happen.

So, just to sum up, you were completely wrong about Pixar's <i>Toy Story 3</i>. And now you're convinced that Pixar won't be able to come up with something remotely original to sustain a feature-length film...yet they're supposed to come up with dozens of twenty-two minute episodes that are not rehashing anything? I know that this post emanates from the "Pixar-is-unoriginal" mantra that you've adopted from 2099net, but it seems more like a bleak condemnation of originality in film altogether. Which, I don't think is fair, even with sequels and franchises as ubiquitous as they are today.

When Disney was supposedly moving forward with this project, there were at least two premises being discussed (1. Andy's mother getting involved with a man, thus introducing a new gang of toys 2. Buzz getting recalled to Asia). At this point, with nothing but speculation to go on, I think we ought to give Pixar a fair shake and assume that they can come up with an original idea besides those two with which to take the series in a new direction.

Luke wrote:When Disney was supposedly moving forward with this project, there were at least two premises being discussed (1. Andy's mother getting involved with a man, thus introducing a new gang of toys 2. Buzz getting recalled to Asia). At this point, with nothing but speculation to go on, I think we ought to give Pixar a fair shake and assume that they can come up with an original idea besides those two with which to take the series in a new direction.

This could be Toy Story 3: At Toy's End

What you give us here, Luke, sounds like an awesome sequel. I can just picture Buzz morning over the fact that he has been recalled. It sounds hilarious!

I think too much emphasis is being placed on the overall plot. What stands out in the Toy Story movies are the wonderful characters and the humor that stems naturally from them and the situations they're in. As long as Toy Story 3 is still a movie where I can laugh, cry, and cheer along with the characters, then I'll be satisfied.

Oh dear. Now I get some of the blame?

Look, its perfectly OK to critisise something. Pointing out what you see as flaws in something doesn't mean you dislike it*, or that you hate it. I just think, of all the praise heaped upon Pixar, some of it is undeserved. Especially when Disney seems to get to many complaints which I similarly think are undeseved. And you can bet your last dollar, if Disney made The Incredibles themselves, people wouldn't have been so forgiving with the Fantastic Four homages. (Which I repeat, doesn't mean I hate The Incredibles, just that I think its concept more conservative than others think. To me the most original aspect of the film was how it dealt with danger and death so blatantly. Ultimately its no big deal how original the film is as long as it's entertaining and the film delivers - or you're a particularly spiteful laywer after an easy buck)

Either way, although I think Monsters, Inc features elements of Pixar's house style it's by far my favourite Pixar film and its the Pixar film I consider closest to perfection.

Thankfully, with the release of Cars some of the critics are coming round to my way of thinking regarding Pixar. Hopefully some of them feel foolish now for labeling Brother Bear as a Lion King copy when the narratives have nothing in common what so ever - not even a split second of screen time!

As for Toy Story 3 re-reading my post it probably does appear a little negative, even though some of it was intended as self-depreciation. (Us wacky Brits and our wierd sense of humour and irony! It's just like Chicken Little's!)

However, given Pixar's loudly shouted opinions on sequels, it seems natural for the third outing to be a natural conclusion to the story. After all, a trilogy is a well used device. I actually like the idea for the third move which was first mooted years ago. It just seems right and the logical ending to the films. I hope - and I would say this if Toy Story was a wholly owned Disney property, even though I defend Disney's right to do sequels - I hope Pixar aren't thinking about a Toy Story 4 & 5 (unless 4 is "Toys in Space" and 5 is "Toys in Time" which would round off the series by revealing that Buzz is actually a remoulded Woody in the future, who fell through a freak rift in time and space and ended up wrapped up in one of Andy's birthday presents and without a memory - thus his confusion in Toy Story. Now that would be closure. )

(Also given Pixar's often stated "we'll do a sequel if the story's good enough" mantra, it does seem a little worrying that they have apparently decided to do a sequel before having a clear idea of the story - but that's a whole other debate)

* Although, on reflection I think I do dislike Finding Nemo. I've never felt the urge to rewatch it, apart from selected Dory moments.

You're not getting any blame from me, Netty. I don't agree with your thoughts on Pixar, but I definitely see you're able to back them up and make valid points to support them. However, it seems as if T/P fan has adopted your theory without the logic behind it, as if to seize every mention of Pixar as an opportunity to take a swipe at <i>Nemo</i> (mathematically or not) and, without specifics, what he perceives as the studio's lack of originality. It just seems as if he's got a bone to pick because people love Pixar and were not as kind to Disney's own attempt at a Pixar film (<i>Chicken Little</i>). It's great to have an unpopular opinion, but not merely for the sake of having it.

Well Luke, I'm honestly not quite sure how to defend myself, but I'll try.

Luke wrote:. It's great to have an unpopular opinion, but not merely for the sake of having it.

What do you mean by this?

Are you just referring to me prefering Chicken Little over Finding Nemo(just as one example )? If so, well I'm pretty sure I've made statements as to why I prefer it to that movies. For one Chicken Little had lots of wonderful twists, and it had a relatable father and son story and was a fun experience at the theaters. Finding Nemo, however, is so long and so boring, you never care about ANY of the characters, the jokes are argueable the most pale, unfunny, and uninspiring jokes ever heard on screen, and the relationship really isn't relateable. I really didn't care if all 3 main stars turned into sushi. I know I may be in the minority, but that film(imho) just doesn't deserve much of the hype it gets and I strongly believe "Finding Nemo" is a bad film, in fact, I'm starting to go beyond that even. It feels like minute by mintue, FN gets worse and worse.

Or are you talking about me not really excited for future Pixar films being a minority? Well, only two are currently planned(Ratatoullie and Toy Story 3) and they both fail to get much faith from me.

What I think about these films not mattering, Pixar has at least created ideas that haven't been seen much in animation before Pixar: talking toys, bugs, monsters, fish and cars and a world of hidden superheros. There have been talking rats though since the beginning of animation. The teaser seemed completely unfunny and it showed absolutely nothing that would get me(or anyone as I would imagine) excited. I did like the story description from Jim Hill though, but seeing as he's the same guy trying to convince Cars is a failure, that story could end up completely different. I mean there really isn't anything much so far about that looks appealing at all. MTR looks original, funny, plus it actually SHOWED us something.

I love both TS1 AND TS2 and consider them Pixar at their finest, but TS3, just doesn't seem wanted. I really don't think the Woody and Buzz going to a childcare center is a good story as the whole point of the first films was to see the get to Andy at the end. Did any of us want to see him grow up and get rid of his toys? I know I don't! Only other possible stories would be ones that wouldn't be able to fill over an hour(like I suggested, make a t.v. series) or ones that woud rehash the first two.

Frankly Pixar just gets way to much unfair "ticket to glory reviews". I mean when Disney plans to make a sequel, they get knocked because it isn't needed. Well is TS3 needed? I also remember when Disney planned to make Toy Story 3, people's #1 remark was "THEY DON'T NEED A TOY STORY 3!!!", yet when Pixar makes, it they act as if they wanted a sequel all along. Where's the "they're only making TS3 for money" statements I heard when Disney was making it?

Overall, so what's my point? That Toy Story 3 won't be good? No! That Pixar is awful? Of course not!(I still like them on a whole and prefer them to say, "Dreamworks") but I have very low doubts with Pixar. I also feel that if Pixar ends up making a story involving Buzz getting "lost", does Pixar really deserve all the credit?

Timon/Pumbaa fan wrote:Frankly Pixar just gets way to much unfair "ticket to glory reviews". I mean when Disney plans to make a sequel, they get knocked because it isn't needed. Well is TS3 needed? I also remember when Disney planned to make Toy Story 3, people's #1 remark was "THEY DON'T NEED A TOY STORY 3!!!", yet when Pixar makes, it they act as if they wanted a sequel all along. Where's the "they're only making TS3 for money" statements I heard when Disney was making it?

When Disney planned to make Toy Story 3, it was for the money. Toy Story 1 and 2 are loved movies by a lot of people. Disney knows by making Toy Story 3, it would make a very large amount of money. Why else would someone make a sequel to a beloved franchise even if they weren't the ones who created it in the first place? You might say they made it for fun or that it was to get Pixar back, but look at Disney's past and count the many sequels they have created. Also, Disney was well into the production of TS3 so I don't think they were faking Pixar. And people's number one remark was not "THEY DON'T NEED A TOY STORY 3!!!", it went more like this: "Why is Disney making TS3 and not Pixar?"

Timon/Pumbaa fan wrote:I also feel that if Pixar ends up making a story involving Buzz getting "lost", does Pixar really deserve all the credit?

If Disney had made TS3, would it really be right to give all the credit to Disney when Pixar were the creators of the characters? Don't hope that Pixar will do a Buzz being lost plot just so you can rub in our faces that Disney was the one that thought of that or better yet, say "PIXAR SUCKS BECAUSE THEY ARE SO UNORIGINAL!!!111" Because it's really annoying when people hate something just because they've had a lot of success and not their favorite Animation Studio.

By the way, expect another buddy movie.