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Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:58 am
by Musical Master
bradhig wrote:What was that long clear thing cape like thing dragging behind Elsa's dress. It looked like it could easily trip her up.
It was made of Elsa's ice magic that flows lightly and it doesn't make her trip because it floats in wind speed when she runs. Does that help?

Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:11 pm
by DancingCrab
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Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:04 pm
by SWillie!
Very glad she feels that way about it. Whether she's female or not doesn't make a difference. She's a filmmaker. That's all that should matter, and thankfully that's all she cares about.

I could think of another female director who was the opposite - had a very big sense of *pride* in the fact that she was a female director.

Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:16 pm
by Disney's Divinity
Hopefully, Jennifer Lee will never work for Pixar. I'd hate to see her bubble burst.

Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:23 pm
by Atlantica
On the thought of Frozen on Broadway; sierra boggess is so vocal on her support for Disney and attended the Aladdin premiere; I really hope she's involved in some way....

Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:57 pm
by thelittleursula
Warm Regards wrote:
bruno_wbt wrote: Here are the 5 songs that entered on the Hot 100 from the soundtrack and their peak positions:

#9 "Let It Go" (Idina Menzel)
#38 "Let It Go" (Demi Lovato)
#49 "Love Is An Open Door"
#55 "Do You Want to Build a Snowman?"
#57 "For the First Time in Forever"
Haha, the public doesn't care about "Frozen Heart", "Reindeer Are Better Than People", "In Summer", or "Fixer Upper". Perhaps justifiably so... :P

Fixer Upper is the least popular of the songs I think. Alot of people would of preferred a Kristoff backstory moment and/ or a proper classic Disney love song between him and Anna instead.

I agree.
unprincess wrote:see, people love Hanz, he needs to be in the sequel. :D
Sadly the hatedom for him is bigger.

' Ex- Boyfriend ' syndrome.

Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:30 am
by Marce82
Ok... no idea if this has been posted already.

I was watching the credits of Frozen.... did anyone else see the disclaimer about BOOGERS near the end of the credits????

HILARIOUS!!! Very Pixar-esque to do that in the credits...

Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:53 am
by Alphapanchito
SWillie! wrote:Very glad she feels that way about it. Whether she's female or not doesn't make a difference. She's a filmmaker. That's all that should matter, and thankfully that's all she cares about.

I could think of another female director who was the opposite - had a very big sense of *pride* in the fact that she was a female director.
Well, that's all that should matter, but since she's the first in the company's history, thats obviously not how the industry sees it. I agree she doesn't have to show pride about being the first woman director to reach 1 bill, but I think what should be addressed is the fact that she's the first woman director for a Walt Disney Animation Studios film. Jennifer Lee kind of brushed it off in an interview once because she was saying its not something she thinks about. In my opinion, its really important people know about it because the fact that it took until 2013 to happen is really striking and says a lot about the industry. And talking about it more should hopefully help setup a new precedent, since Frozen has performed so well.

Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:19 am
by SWillie!
100% disagree. The fact that she is a woman has nothing to do with the quality or success of Frozen. By talking it up and trying to 'set a new precedent', the wrong thing is being focused on. Do you really think they should, because of Jen's success, go through and say "hmmm so what other girls do we have around here? Let's get some women in the directors chair! We like women now!" No. They should continue to choose directors based on their creative filmmaking decisions. If they happen to be a woman, great.

Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:58 am
by Victurtle
I disagree with the above.

It's not necessarily about women being able to write/direct well. We know they can. They always have been ready for the job, and its long overdue. The message that needs to be sent is to upper management to feel okay with putting women in these positions and question themselves why they are so hesitant.

They aren't comfortably at the stage of choosing directors purely on their creative film making decisions yet. Frozen was the start for Disney. Same for Kung Fu Panda 2 for Dreamworks. Brave (almost) for Pixar. The rest of the upcoming slate of films by Disney and Pixar have otherwise already established male directors attached.* This 'campaign' simply asking us why is it easier for men to get into these position. We aren't at the point where upper management will think 'O look, a successful movie with a female director, lets try to mimic that'.

*The Tigger Movie and the Tinker Bell movies were directed by women. But they are 'lesser risk'. Frozen is an example of Disney having $150 million dollars worth of faith in JLee's capabilities, and boy did it pay off.

Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:05 am
by estefan
Victurtle wrote:Same for Kung Fu Panda 2 for Dreamworks.
Brenda Chapman was actually the first woman to direct an animated feature at DreamWorks, all the way back on The Prince of Egypt. Vicky Jenson was also the director on Shrek and Shark Tale, while Lorna Cook directed Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron. So, they've been very progressive in that regard.

Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:07 am
by Victurtle
estefan wrote:
Victurtle wrote:Same for Kung Fu Panda 2 for Dreamworks.
Brenda Chapman was actually the first woman to direct an animated feature at DreamWorks, all the way back on The Prince of Egypt. Vicky Jenson was also the director on Shrek and Shark Tale, while Lorna Cook directed Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron. So, they've been very progressive in that regard.
Oops, it's just Disney and Pixar then :P and other companies in general.

Thanks for the education!

Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:30 am
by Alphapanchito
All I was saying about Frozen being successful is that Disney often bases decisions off of financial success. Maybe WDAS will make a change to their long-standing "tradition" of choosing all male directors for their animated features.

Yeah, I agree with Victurtle. I don't know how you can look at Disney animation (or all animated films), and see the people in leadership roles being almost exclusively men, and say "the best people were chosen for the job". Saying that is ignoring the society we live in and the very clear proof. As Victurtle said, we know women are great directors, no worse than men, and there are a lot of them. This is a problem Hollywood films have too, but animation has been moving at much slower pace.

"Animation has been a male-dominated industry for a long time. Not that it's been an old boys' club. There have been real superstars that were women. But now you're seeing more women in supervisory and leadership roles, in story, in layout, in animation; in the production side there's a lot of very strong women. It's been growing." - John Lasseter

Before Jen Lee, there was nobody like her in WDAS history. And thats an issue.

Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:44 am
by Warm Regards
Animation and the movie industry in general are male dominated. I have no idea why this is even to this day; a bad case of status quo, maybe? Yes, the best writer should be chosen, but often times women need to "prove" their worthiness. With men it's inherent that their work speaks for itself.

I am now reminded of a blog called Lady Animators. Very interesting readings, and they even give their perspective on the whole "low number of women in the animation industry."

Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:00 pm
by Semaj
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/ideas-commen ... 97605.html

The author revealing himself as a purist is a real problem behind critiques such as this, and a large part of why I rarely visit Cartoon Brew anymore. What's supposed to be a versatile form of ART has instead become a frustrating pseudoscience.

The article does lay out a problem behind Disney's sidekick requisite, which actually was not that problematic beyond the initial trailers. Though, some people I've asked were hesitant to see Frozen, because they were afraid Olaf was going to steal the show. :lol:

I would have to highly disagree with the analysis on Hans. The earlier warnings against "love at first sight" was enough to set up the surprise twist behind Hans' character. It gave Disney a chance to turn one of their own tropes upside-down, and it prevented them from spoiling it in the trailers.

Disney always gets thrown under a bus for making "predictable" stories; what's sampled in the trailers is basically what you're going to get. And they HAVE solved it before, in this case, leaving people guessing what's going to happen by challenging their own formula. Yet now that they went the non-predictable route, it's "bad storytelling". :?

Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:13 pm
by rj.disney
Since the movie is heading on Broadway, the production team may want to take a look on this parody on how to do the stage effects. rotfl

http://youtu.be/9bIea0oGq2c

Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:46 am
by Marce82
I personally like Jennifer Lee's sentiment. And I agree with SWillie.

I do think that women can be just as good animation directors as men. And I don't think Disney is or has been discriminating against women. But I think its an issue of numbers.

Lets say that out of 100 men, 10 are qualified to be good animation directors. Same would apply to women. But the thing is, there have traditionally been less women than men in animation. Why? I am not sure. I'm sure early on it WAS discrimination, but I don't think women have been kept out of art/animation schools based on gender for quite a few decades. And after that I would like to think it's based on skill (I am in the animation biz, and all studios care about is portfolio and reel). But women have been increasing in the animation field (which is great), and I think that as the number of women raises to equal the amount of men, more and more women directors will emerge.

But no, I don't think Disney should go out of its way to find female directors. Directors should be picked based on skill. And like SWillie said, if they happen to be women, great.

Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:16 am
by disneyprincess11
rj.disney wrote:Since the movie is heading on Broadway, the production team may want to take a look on this parody on how to do the stage effects. rotfl

http://youtu.be/9bIea0oGq2c
That's impressive! I didn't know that was a dude in drag :lol:

But, I can picture Elsa's transformation like:

http://youtu.be/hcP1cV3nBZI?t=2m24s

Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:07 am
by estefan
Marce82 wrote:I do think that women can be just as good animation directors as men. And I don't think Disney is or has been discriminating against women. But I think its an issue of numbers.

Lets say that out of 100 men, 10 are qualified to be good animation directors. Same would apply to women. But the thing is, there have traditionally been less women than men in animation. Why? I am not sure. I'm sure early on it WAS discrimination, but I don't think women have been kept out of art/animation schools based on gender for quite a few decades. And after that I would like to think it's based on skill (I am in the animation biz, and all studios care about is portfolio and reel). But women have been increasing in the animation field (which is great), and I think that as the number of women raises to equal the amount of men, more and more women directors will emerge.

But no, I don't think Disney should go out of its way to find female directors. Directors should be picked based on skill. And like SWillie said, if they happen to be women, great.
What I find really interesting is that over the past decade or so, there has been a large increase of female producers in animation. For all of the criticism Pixar gets for having had only one female director, most of their movies have female producer. Finding Nemo was actually their first film to not have a female producer on board. DreamWorks also has a lot of female producers, as does Disney Animation. And over at Blue Sky, all of the Ice Age movies were produced by Lori Forte. I wonder why so many women have landed producing roles at animation studios.

Re: Frozen: Part V

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:54 am
by SWillie!
I think there's a very definite answer to that. As someone mentioned, for years there was a viscous cycle of "women don't get hired into animation, so women don't go INTO animation", that stemmed from way back in the day when women were only hired for ink and paint. We're definitely starting to get over that at this point, but the generation that currently makes up the directors and other management comes from a kind of middle period - where women were interested in getting into animation in a more active way, and yet still didn't come from a creative background, and definitely not an animator background - because historically women didn't get hired for that stuff. So they landed in roles like production assistant, eventually moving into actual producers. It was just the most realistic way for them to get into animation given the times.

If they DID go into a creative career, it seems the best route for them historically has been in visual development and design, which is why we see artists like Brittney Lee or Lisa Keene in those roles. Story seems be next in line, with more and more women story artists showing up, (which more often than not is where directors are pulled from), and finally there seems to be at least several women animators as well.

So, I think at this point the "we aren't going to hire women" mentality is over (at least in the animation industry, I know it's much worse still in other careers). It's just a matter of letting the great women artists out there work their way into the system. By the time the generation that is currently going through school and coming into the animation scene has taken over these positions, I think things will just naturally be more gender-even.