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I don't get the LMM disliking either. I also noticed some doubt about Marc Shaiman and Scott Wittman doing the songs for the movie but I really loved what they did with not just Hairspray; but also the songs for Catch Me If You Can and even some songs from the stage adaption of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (people despised the show but said the new songs were the least problematic part of it).

For me personally Richard Sherman's songs in Christopher Robin were decent but sadly unmemorable...

The director talks about the animated sequence in the movie.

That last song title accompanies a fantasy sequence briefly glimpsed in the new trailer. It’s one of the biggest nods to the original film: a musical sequence that plays out in a mixture of live-action and traditional animation, like “Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious,” complete with dancing penguins.

“In [the book] Mary Poppins Comes Back, they go into a Royal Doulton bowl. They disappear into it, so it just made sense to do because it felt like it was in the DNA of that world,” says Marshall.

Marshall wanted to do it for real again, using traditional animation methods, rather than wholly relying on CGI. He says it’s part of the reason the film has required so much time in post-production.

“And we've obviously come a long way in terms of animation,” adds the director. “Most of it is computer-generated now, but what’s lost with that is that sense of artistry, this beautiful and extraordinary work. If Disney would have had this technology back then, I’m sure he would have used it too. So when you see the film, you are in this 2D hand-painted world but in a three-dimensional way. It’s why our post-production has been longer than normal. I mean, we have all been in post-production for a year because of that, but it is live-action and animation so there’s this wonderful interaction between the two, and I believe everyone feels it was worth it. Everyone agreed it felt fresh again, when you see them speaking to these animated characters that are drawn that way and you feel that artistry, you feel a sense of nostalgia.”

Source: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sec ... 28319.html

JeanGreyForever wrote:You're certainly not the only one. In fact, this is the more popular consensus on this forum.

I don't think that's the case, but I'm glad I'm not alone in that opinion. He reminds me of Anne Hathaway / Gwyneth Paltrow.

Disney's Divinity wrote:I don't think that's the case, but I'm glad I'm not alone in that opinion. He reminds me of Anne Hathaway / Gwyneth Paltrow.

I actually rather like Anne Hathaway, probably because I grew up on her films like The Princess Diaries and Ella Enchanted. I know there's been a lot of pushback to her in recent years and I'm curious as to why so many people seem to dislike her.

Gwyneth Paltrow is another one who has a lot of haters, but I think the hate is justified there lol. I personally don't mind her too much but she says some outrageous things sometimes which I love to laugh at.

Disney's Divinity wrote:

Sotiris wrote: Agreed. While I think he's a decent (albeit overrated) songwriter, I find him horrible as an actor. His British accent here is abysmal. I kept cringing whenever he spoke in the trailer.

So do I. But I wonder how anyone would've thought he should be playing Bert? Why not some random character like Lansbury / Streep, where he isn't trying to look / sound like a previous character he looks / sounds nothing like? I suppose he decided to push himself in to play a character since he was already composing, which is what is happening with the live-action TLM, too. Although I guess it's not worth bothering about there, since it looks like the TLM film is headed straight into the garbage anyway. This film, on the other hand, actually has potential thanks to the rest of the cast list.

The bias and the ignorance are strong here. And he isn't playing Bert. He's playing a new character called Jack.

Old Fish Tale wrote: The bias and the ignorance are strong here. And he isn't playing Bert. He's playing a new character called Jack.

However, from what we've seen so far, his character is basically a retread of Jack. That might not be the case from the final film, but everything seems to be pointing to that now. The original books are full of a variety of colorful characters, many of whom are being introduced in this film, so the complaint was that if Lin had to be in the movie, he could have gotten a completely unique role and character rather than one who is just ripping off of nostalgia for Dick Van Dyke's Bert.

JeanGreyForever wrote: I actually rather like Anne Hathaway, probably because I grew up on her films like The Princess Diaries and Ella Enchanted. I know there's been a lot of pushback to her in recent years and I'm curious as to why so many people seem to dislike her.

Gwyneth Paltrow is another one who has a lot of haters, but I think the hate is justified there lol. I personally don't mind her too much but she says some outrageous things sometimes which I love to laugh at.

I liked Anne Hathaway, too, and I still consider her a good actress. She just got to be insufferable for a while there. As for your other post: that's probably why so many people get confused and think this is a re-make, too, because they're basically rehashing everything from the first movie.

Save your pejoratives, Fishsticks. Just scroll on by.

JeanGreyForever wrote:

Old Fish Tale wrote: The bias and the ignorance are strong here. And he isn't playing Bert. He's playing a new character called Jack.

However, from what we've seen so far, his character is basically a retread of Jack. That might not be the case from the final film, but everything seems to be pointing to that now. The original books are full of a variety of colorful characters, many of whom are being introduced in this film, so the complaint was that if Lin had to be in the movie, he could have gotten a completely unique role and character rather than one who is just ripping off of nostalgia for Dick Van Dyke's Bert.

Yes, he's playing a Bert surrogate (he's a lamplighter instead of a chimney sweeper if it makes any difference). But Meryl Streep is playing an uncle Albert surrogate, Ben Whishaw is playing a George Banks surrogate, Emily Mortimer is playing a Winnifred Banks surrogate, Angela Lansbury is playing a bird woman surrogate... It's how these Disney sequels normally work, right? You can say you feel this film wasn't necessary, which is quite understandable, or you can wait until it's released to see if it can stand on its own. I know I'm willing to give it a chance.

Disney's Divinity wrote:Save your pejoratives, Fishsticks. Just scroll on by.

Just be glad I don't want to say anything about your reactions to the Zendaya casting rumour in the other thread. Because I can clearly see a pattern and an agenda.

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Old Fish Tale wrote:Yes, he's playing a Bert surrogate (he's a lamplighter instead of a chimney sweeper if it makes any difference). But Meryl Streep is playing an uncle Albert surrogate, Ben Whishaw is playing a George Banks surrogate, Emily Mortimer is playing a Winnifred Banks surrogate, Angela Lansbury is playing a bird woman surrogate...

That's true, even though I find Jack's similarities to Bert more blatant than the rest of them. It's all very derivative and uncreative. That's why I feel this should have been a remake. At least then the similarities would have been more understandable and justified. I expect sequels to offer something new and not be remakes in disguise.

Old Fish Tale wrote: Just be glad I don't want to say anything about your reactions to the Zendaya casting rumour in the other thread. Because I can clearly see a pattern and an agenda. You've always been one of the most detestable users here.

There's nothing about you that scares me. My dislike of Miranda is wrapped up in the likely Zendaya casting anyway. Don’t worry, the dislike is mutual, starting back to when you similarly stan-attacked me for a negative opinion on Mia Wasikowska and Lily James years ago; I find you completely disgusting.

Sotiris wrote:

Old Fish Tale wrote:Yes, he's playing a Bert surrogate (he's a lamplighter instead of a chimney sweeper if it makes any difference). But Meryl Streep is playing an uncle Albert surrogate, Ben Whishaw is playing a George Banks surrogate, Emily Mortimer is playing a Winnifred Banks surrogate, Angela Lansbury is playing a bird woman surrogate...

That's true, even though I find Jack's similarities to Bert more blatant than the rest of them. It's all very derivative and uncreative. That's why I feel this should have been a remake. At least then the similarities would have been more understandable and justified. I expect sequels to offer something new and not be remakes in disguise.

You should read what was posted here: https://decidedlydisney.blogspot.com/20 ... -back.html

Even Pamela was okay with a Bert surrogate in a 'Mary Poppins' sequel.

Disney's Divinity wrote:My dislike of Miranda is wrapped up in the likely Zendaya casting anyway.

Or maybe you're only happy when white people succeed.

Old Fish Tale wrote: Or maybe you're only happy when white people succeed.

thedisneyspirit wrote:And Old Fish Tale just showed that it's impossible to not have a neutral opinion on Miranda, the moment somebody isn't fawning all over him like a wild dog, the fanboys will rush in, with knives and torches at hand, ready to kill anyone who disrespected the master. And accusations of "racist", "bigoted"; will soon follow.

Disney's Divinity wrote:

Old Fish Tale wrote: Or maybe you're only happy when white people succeed.

thedisneyspirit wrote:And Old Fish Tale just showed that it's impossible to not have a neutral opinion on Miranda, the moment somebody isn't fawning all over him like a wild dog, the fanboys will rush in, with knives and torches at hand, ready to kill anyone who disrespected the master. And accusations of "racist", "bigoted"; will soon follow.

If only it was it was just him, though...

And as we saw two posts ago, your opinion about his involvement in this film is far from being fair or informed. Anyway, you don't need to see 'Mary Poppins Returns' or 'The Little Mermaid'. They'll be fine without your money or interest.

Thankfully liking a trash actress like Zendaya isn't the test of racism either.

Old Fish Tale wrote: Yes, he's playing a Bert surrogate (he's a lamplighter instead of a chimney sweeper if it makes any difference). But Meryl Streep is playing an uncle Albert surrogate, Ben Whishaw is playing a George Banks surrogate, Emily Mortimer is playing a Winnifred Banks surrogate, Angela Lansbury is playing a bird woman surrogate... It's how these Disney sequels normally work, right? You can say you feel this film wasn't necessary, which is quite understandable, or you can wait until it's released to see if it can stand on its own. I know I'm willing to give it a chance.

The George and Winnifred Banks surrogates are their children though, Michael and Jane, so that isn't too far of a leap. And frankly, as another user also said on here, I'm not the biggest fan of this storyline that the Banks children are now parents who have forgotten about Mary Poppins and need to be reminded about the magic in their lives to reconnect with their own children. It's a complete retread of Hook and Christopher Robin which literally came out just a few months before Mary Poppins Returns.

The other characters you mentioned (Meryl Streep's and Angela Lansbury's roles) are all based off of characters from the books though. I have read the books and I never once felt that the balloon woman was like the bird woman. Meryl Streep's character of Topsy is an amalgamation of Turvy and his wife Topsy and in the books they are as gravity challenged as Uncle Albert's character is, but quite different in other respects. Bert from the movies is an amalgam of Bert the Matchman (one of Mary Poppins' best friends but not love interest) and the Sweeper (a minor character). Lin's character doesn't seem to be based off of anyone from the books though, like the others. Hence why out of all the new characters, he seems the most to be a substitute for a previously existing one. The other characters were already separate existing characters from the books, but Lin's role is an entirely new character which even he admits is the same role as Bert from the original film as seen in this article.
https://ew.com/article/2016/10/13/lin-m ... -van-dyke/

Old Fish Tale wrote: You should read what was posted here: https://decidedlydisney.blogspot.com/20 ... -back.html
Even Pamela was okay with a Bert surrogate in a 'Mary Poppins' sequel.

Thanks for posting this. I hadn't seen that before and I feel better about the Bert surrogate now that I know that Pamela was all for it. I wish they could have kept to a script similar to this since it actually involved Pamela and she seemed to really want to see it come to fruition. Does anyone know if Mary Poppins Returns was in any way inspired by the script for Mary Poppins Comes Back?

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TheSequelOfDisney wrote:Damn, did Lin-Manuel Miranda go and murder all your families?

Omg that was hilarious!

Sotiris, I agree that sequels should be new stories...but I do like The Little Mermaid II as a guilty pleasure lol.

Disney Duster wrote:

TheSequelOfDisney wrote:Damn, did Lin-Manuel Miranda go and murder all your families?

Omg that was hilarious!

Sotiris, I agree that sequels should be new stories...but I do like The Little Mermaid II as a guilty pleasure lol.

Disney can't seem to go beyond storylines that involve the main character's child essentially going through the same storyline as their parent, or the reverse of it. The Little Mermaid, The Lion King, Lady and the Tramp, and now Christopher Robin and Mary Poppins are all guilty of this (not to mention The Swan Princess). The only film sequel I wouldn't have minded seeing this child-as-a-successor-of-the-parent storyline for would be Bambi since the actual Bambi book sequel is about Bambi's twin children.

I liked how the Mary Poppins Comes Back script posted above actually kept to the original timeline with Michael and Jane still as kids rather than grown up.

Because I genuinely want to understand where the hate for Lin-Manuel Miranda comes from, I'm trying to make sense of the comments written thus far and the main issue seems to be that...he wants to appear in movies.

An actor wants to star in movies? Based on properties he's a fan of? How dare he!