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whoa wait, when did Menken get fired? I just thought Newman was doing PATF, not about Menken being banished from Disney..


well, I don't think Bolt will be the next Mermaid, Oliver and Company maybe .. might be even a canine version of Toy Story/101 Dalmatians crossed.. but I don't recall 101 Dalmatians , Lady and The Tramp or Fox and the Hound being the best thing since Snow White ..

and like pap64 said, any CGI movie will be compared to Pixar since it was the first to do a completeley CGI film (Toy Story).. as 2-D movies will always be compared Disney's 1st 2-D film with color and sound(Snow White)...


as for the Bolt merch.. I wen't to Toy's R Us and bought a cute Mittens Beanie bought the Bolt one too.. though I might take it back later and get the Disney Store Plush.. also is Disney planning on any Fast Food toys for the movie? I know Mcdonald's is doing Madagascar but I don't if Disney can go through Burger king or not.. but yeah, some PVC's would Rock

Neal wrote:Right, right...no suit interference at all.

When we refer to "suits," we're typically speaking of someone that only sees the business side of making films and not the creative, artistic side that must go into them.

I'm sure we all realize that Lasseter was once a Disney animator frustrated with his own perceived inability to draw a character the way he wanted to. He knew the importance of great characters and great stories, and saw that CGI had an amazing potential to bring them to life in a new way. And I believe that he, like Walt Disney once did, has a knack for knowing what is universally appealing to an audience.

It's the suits that closed down 2D, thinking that CG is some kind of magical formula that will draw an audience in and make money. It was the suits that also knew audience members are attached to certain characters and were milking them for all they were worth (ie direct-to-video sequels). Lasseter knows better than that. He can't let egos and loyalties get in the way of telling the best possible version of the story. And hell, he's made it a point to allow 2D to make a comeback. I doubt that making any of the changes he's making are easy decisions; there has to be a balance between creativity as well as the business aspects of creating these films.

People are naturally going to make comparisons to Pixar when it comes to animated movies. Why? They're currently the most successful studio out there right now. Are we really supposed to get angry with Lasseter because he's made some very successful films and has been chosen to help bring that success back to Disney once again?

Disney animation has been floundering. If anyone can bring back its success, I believe it's Lasseter. His decisions may seem harsh, but you know what? Walt was the same way.

starlioness wrote:whoa wait, when did Menken get fired? I just thought Newman was doing PATF, not about Menken being banished from Disney..

don't listen to it, they're exaggerating. Menken is still working for Disney. I think he's now working on adapting Hunchback for Broadway. He has an exclusive contract with Disney.

Oh ho, Miyazaki most certainly equals or tops Disney. Now there's a master!

I never said Menken was gone for good. Just gone off the films as far as we can see. If he's so interested in decisions for fans and film viewers - than why'd he do that? Fans have been crying out for Menken since the decision was made known. Check any forum.

Lasseter still seems far more elitist with his brain trust. Only his handful of people can direct movies. And rumor is he's trying to do the same at Disney. Notice how the Bolt directors will also be directing Rapunzel? He couldn't have chosen someone else after firing Keane?

The fundamental difference between Disney and Lasseter is this - Lasseter never stops yapping about story. It's story this, story that. Which is great. We need compelling stories. Disney brought up art, too. He knew that art was equally important. Thus we have such films as Fantasia. The day Lasseter makes his Fantasia will be the day all my views of him will be blown to pieces. But seeing as Fantasia was just a lot of stories, and sometimes really stories we must derive ourselves - not the one continuous story Lasseter aims for with every film, I don't believe we'll ever see it.

It's in time of conflict we see the true measure of a man. Lasseter fired Sanders from American Dog with no public address as to why. Well, knowing the hurt he caused he could have put Sanders name somewhere on the film credits. Or in The Art of Bolt. Nope. No name, no art. I guess Sanders is an imaginary being. Lasseter showed his true self there - he felt there was no story to Sanders piece, just a lot of art. So he dropped Sanders. Fine. But to then erase all memory of him from the project? A little tacky if you ask me.

7 reviews counted and a 100% fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes!

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/bolt/

Neal wrote:Some Giant lengthy tirade regarding Lassie

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Someone else who's just as distrustful of Lasseter as I've always been. You've been a long time in coming!

Just because I'm curious...

How many of you will be seeing "Bolt" instead of "Twilight?"

PeterPanfan wrote:How many of you will be seeing "Bolt" instead of "Twilight?"

Me.

I'm really glad Twilight is coming out the same day because everyone will be in THOSE theaters and not Bolt.

I'll actually be seeing "Twilight." Already got my midnight premeire ticket!

ichabod - Glad we could agree on something!

I'm actually double featuring with my friend. We couldn't decided which to watch so we're just going to one after the other.

PeterPanfan wrote:Just because I'm curious...

How many of you will be seeing "Bolt" instead of "Twilight?"

I rather see Twilight. If I can afford it, I'll see both.

Panfan wrote:How many of you will be seeing "Bolt" instead of "Twilight?"

I wouldn't mind doing a double feature on Friday, as observation was canceled for that day. But I'd rather just see one in theatres and the other on blindbuy DVD. Which one remains to be seen.

On the one hand, the two scenes I saw of Bolt in the Best Buy sneak peek DVD didn't impress me much, so a blindbuy would be better (plus, I could enjoy the extras).

On the other hand, I don't want to be in a theatre full of fawning teenage girls watching Twilight and going "OMG, Edward is so hot!" every five minutes. I'd rather blindbuy it and just have one teenage girl fawning every five minutes (read: cousin Cricket).

Eh, I've got a week to figure it out. Maybe I'll forego both and just see Quantum of Solace, simply to watch the Star Trek trailer on a big screen, I must've watched it 100 times today...

albert

Yeah I am going to see twilight...I promised a friend if we saw the sneak peak of Bolt last saturday, then we could see the midnight showing of twilight Oh and the Star Trek preview....yeah don't be disappointed cause my 007 showing ...yeah had no star trek preview, I had to see it online. I WILL be seeing Bolt again though don't get me wrong...Thanksgiving Day with the family probably.

If we're including Japanese animators in this discussion, I think Hosoda Mamoru takes the crown.

Miyazaki may be the most well known due to his international success with Spirited Away, but there are certainly many more Japanese animation directors with just as much talent, if not more than him. Hosoda's two Digimon movies were so critically acclaimed in Japan that Studio Ghibli asked him to direct Howl's Moving Castle, but he was fired for not being "Ghibli enough" and Miyazaki took over. Hosoda then went on to direct "The Girl who Leapt Through Time" which is possibly one of the greatest films I've ever seen.

It's a shame, I absolutely LOVED Miyazaki's HMC, so much I'd watch the 2 hour movie over and over again. Then I read the novel and became so disappointed at how horribly Miyazaki butchered the plot, so much that the only similarities were the character's names. The novel is almost perfection, and had Hosoda directed the film in his own style, I would never have to watch another film again, because it would have been that great.

It might just be me, but Miyazaki firing Hosoda for not letting go of his own personal style is very similar to Lasetter removing Chris Sanders from American Dog.

Well, I never said Miyazaki is a God either, FYI.

I don't really think he should be so harsh on his son Goro.

Where did you hear Mamoru was fired for not being Ghibli enough? I've always read the cause behind his removal was unknown.

I haven't yet seen "The Girl who Leapt Through Time". I'm asking for it for Christmas. A region 01 DVD comes out today.

I saw HMC than read it. I think both works are wonderful when considered separately. Disney's book adaptations have tended to be loose and so do most of Hollywood's book-based films.

I think both HMC the book and HMC the movie had amazing characters, situations and locations. I don't believe one really trumps the other. I think they are each wonderful in their own right and if HMC's author likes it than it's good enough for me.

As much as I say American Dog would have been amazing, I don't really know that. It's all wishful thinking. Why do you believe Hosoda's HMC would have been so much better?

And there are other Japanese animators I like. Satoshi Kon comes to mind.

Neal wrote:Satoshi Kon comes to mind.

Correct me if I am wrong, but is he the creator of Pokemon?

Nope, Satoshi Tajiri created Pokemon.

Satoshi Kon is a Japanese director of anime films who has made such movies as Millennium Actress, Tokyo Godfathers, and Paprika.

PeterPanfan wrote:Just because I'm curious...

How many of you will be seeing "Bolt" instead of "Twilight?"

I most definitely WILL be seeing Bolt instead of Twilight! I don't really think the latter will really be that interesting. No offense.

PeterPanfan wrote:Just because I'm curious...

How many of you will be seeing "Bolt" instead of "Twilight?"

Seeing Twilight Saturday and Bolt on Sunday.

Bolt seems to be getting the best reviews since Lilo. Take a look at these quotes!

Pixar masterpieces aside, it's been quite a while since Disney cranked out an animated movie worthy of its fairy-dust-sprinkled castle logo.

The film succeeds because it has genuine heart, a couple of mildly-thrilling action sequences, and most notably, a hilarious supporting performance by Mark Walton, who plays Rhino the hamster.

Disney's strongest CG animated effort to date can be credited to the strength of a premise that mixes what's worked so well in earlier Disney animated films with a better awareness of what makes a movie entertaining both for kids and adults.

The film is funny -- with a sophistication that might actually appeal more to adults. But there’s still plenty for the kids to enjoy.

The Disney animated blockbuster-to-be Bolt is a delightful family movie, and if I’d seen it as a kid I would have been deeply traumatized.

Movie magic aplenty in animated action adventure from Disney.

As sensitive and spirited as it is gorgeous to look at...

These make me very happy.