Re: Who are your LEAST favorite animated Disney heroines?
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:21 pm
Thanks for the link. The new design for Philoctetes sounds intriguing although I wonder what prompted that decision. I wonder who the old friend who Hercules wound encounter was supposed to be...can't imagine it would be anyone from the original film. Since Helen of Troy was also meant to be an "old friend," it must have been another new character retconned into Hercules' past. It is interesting that the directors wanted to work on this. Maybe this was back when they thought the film would be a blockbuster hit and the sequel would have been part of the official canon rather than churned out straight to DVD.DisneyFan09 wrote: Yup, here's the source; http://web.archive.org/web/200306050946 ... cules.html. I find it highly remarkable that John Musker and Ron Clements were interested to work on a sequel, when it was most likely to become a direct to video-cheapquel. But I thought the idea sounded intriguing, though it would've been a callback to the original storyline, that was supposed to be about the Trojan War, anyways.
Yes, I remember we talked about this a few times with how the later 90s films tried to clamp down on the drama.I've noticed that despite that people acknowledge Mulan for it's drama, it's still labeled as a comedy overall. Though Mulan is a pretty even mix of both, it's still labeled for the funny stuff. Many people thought that since both Pocahontas and Hunchback ventured into the drama, that Hercules and Mulan ventured into the comedic realm.
Ursula would be a natural assumption. For some reason, I always thought he did Frollo as well. I know Esmeralda was the character he wanted to do but she was already taken. A pity Deja didn't end up working on Hunchback at the end. As for Stitch, I know Nani's design was designed in parallel to Mulan's. I never found Mulan very pretty but I think they did a much better job on Nani. The film is more cartoony anyway, like Dumbo, so I never had issues with the human character designs. If they were too realistic, they wouldn't mesh well with the alien characters like Stitch, Jumba, Pleakley, Gantu, or the Grand Councilwoman.Yeah, Yzma looked superior in her early designs, at least she does has a fuller look. And I think she could've been a great villain. Well, the fact that Andreas Deja wanted to do Lilo shows his versatility. That he didn't only wanted to do villains, since he made three of the pivotal Renaissance villains in a row (frankly, as a kid I thought it was weird that he didn't supervise Ursula as well). But frankly, I'm not to keen on the design on the humans on Lilo & Stitch, as they look like they came from a Nickelodeon series.
AgreedYou're welcome. Those articles are truly a must-read for any Kingdom of the Sun-fans.

No offense taken. I'm not sure I would find it laughable as much as I would assume that there would be no appeal to general audiences and it sounds like a box-office flop (let alone box-office disaster).Thanks for posting that link. I didn't knew that he was behind Treasure Planet, due to how the executives were iffy about it in the first place. But why wouldn't they be? The premise could've been perceived as laughable, no offense.
That would have been nice to see but it's no biggie. Thanks for trying to show meWell, I wanted you to see where it's cited that Eisner loved the movie.

Oh, I despise the Tinker Bell films! No offense in case you like them but they're very much direct-to-video quality for me and the characters are generally all so bland, especially Tinker Bell herself. I'm not surprised that the franchise was cancelled and in fact, I'm just surprised it was ever as big as it was. The books have far better quality and it's a shame that Disney phased those out for the lackluster films. I know the films had some real fans on these forums though but I was never one of them. They lack world building, depth, character development, and whimsy, all of which can be found in the books. But like I mentioned to you before, if you didn't like the tone of the original Peter Pan novel, the books won't be something you'll enjoy either so you'll probably prefer the movies.Hmmm, okay. Thanks for sharing. The premise sounds intriguing, but why wouldn't you want the film to be like the Tinker Bell franchise?
It's possible he was easily influenced by reviewers and whatever they would say, he would take on a similar stance. It's a pity you lost in touch with him though. Perhaps you could try emailing him again after all these years and maybe he'll respond back.We used to have and I liked him for being an intelligent guy. Yet I've eventually realized that he used to copy and paste opinions and statements from other users and reviewers. But I've lost touch with him and it's a pity that I have, since I liked discussing Disney and animation with him.
I wonder if we'll hear about Favreau working on The Jungle Book 2 now that The Lion King is done. Apparently they considered releasing Simba's Pride theatrically at one point and even for a direct-to-video, they did this huge marketing campaign that was almost on par with their feature films, unlike how Disney treated the rest of the sequels at the time, so clearly they felt the film was of cinematic quality. As such, maybe they could easily adapt it for a live-action sequel.I've would've love him to do live-action Tarzan remake as well and it would've been a full circle for him for of my aforementioned reasons. It's remarkable that we haven't heard anything about The Jungle Book yet, but I've read that they would explore ideas that were discarded from Walt. Wonder how a sequel to The Lion King will be like, if it's going to be just like Simba's Pride.
I guess visual commentaries like Cine-Explore were always much more interesting to me because you can see conceptual art on screen as well as the talking heads, whereas a regular commentary is just the film playing on screen and then I'm tempted to just watch the film instead. However, I was inspired enough by your question to go ahead and watch two commentaries: the Sleeping Beauty Special Edition DVD one and the Pocahontas 10th Anniversary one. I found both enjoyable and the Pocahontas one in particular sparked many memories of things you've told me in the past. I'll definitely have to check out some more commentaries soon. Are there any you'd recommend in particular?Really? Why is that?
Yeah, Maleficent 2 sounds awful and I have nothing good to say about it, which is pretty much in line with the first film as well. I'm still annoyed that when Disney finally released an art/making of book for Sleeping Beauty, half the content was dedicated to Maleficent! Emma Watson herself mused on ideas for a live-action BATB sequel and how Belle would use the castle library to teach the village children and I think someone else mentioned that Gaston could potentially return or something. I really hope Watson doesn't think that audiences will flock to see a film with her just teaching for the entire duration.Fair enough. I think the sequels of these remakes are more likely to be criticized, due to how they serve as cash grabs (cough, 102 Dalmatians, cough). From what I've seen from the teaser for Maleficent Mistress of Evil, the plot seems just outright ridiculous. I've heard rumors about a sequel to the live action Beauty and the Beast, but I cannot picture the story being continued.
Oh ok.Dunno, I don't know about the original to know about it.