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AishaStar wrote:My husband and family won't let my son watch Bambi because they are hunters and feel he won't be able to hunt if he associates himself with the animals. I think they're all crazy, but that's me.

That doesn't stop Zoltack. He's a forum regular, avid hunter, and one of the biggest Bambi fans here!

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AishaStar wrote:

My husband and family won't let my son watch Bambi because they are hunters and feel he won't be able to hunt if he associates himself with the animals. I think they're all crazy, but that's me.

I have a friend that comes from a family of hunters. He was allowed to watch "Bambi" as a kid and it didn't interfeare with his father passing on his love of hunting to his son. However, this is just one case. I think letting your son see "Bambi" at an age where he is old enough to understand that it's just the way of the world (kind of like a circle of life type of deal) and explaining to him that it is ok to hunt would be acceptable. Nevertheless, "Bambi" was boring to me until I was 5 and I used to stop it to go play after the ice skating scene. lol. I don't think he will miss out on much not seeing "Bambi" until he is 8, so maybe wait until the next release. And if he does become a very active kid with not a lot of time for TV, "Bambi" probably wouldn't hold much interest for him anyways. But deffinatley get "Lady and the Tramp" before it's gone. I loved all the dogs as a kid.

i found The lion king 2 in one store a couple weeks ago, so i bought it quickly. the funny thing is, i saw one of the stockpersons put a couple more on the shelf. that went out-of-print like a year ago. and i'm so behind with dvds that i still need snow white, beauty and the beast, and the lion king 1, sleeping beauty, mulan, and a lot more.

When films go back into the vault, it doesn't mean that all copies of the films are sent back to Disney. They just stop making them. You are generally able to find the films easily in stores for around 6 months after their vault date. And often, a year or so later, some stores will get a new shipment of these films because Disney has extra lying around. I remember a case with Snow White where it had been almost 3 years and Amazon.com received a shipment!!!!!

goofystitch wrote:When films go back into the vault, it doesn't mean that all copies of the films are sent back to Disney. They just stop making them. You are generally able to find the films easily in stores for around 6 months after their vault date. And often, a year or so later, some stores will get a new shipment of these films because Disney has extra lying around. I remember a case with Snow White where it had been almost 3 years and Amazon.com received a shipment!!!!!

I don't know why, but some time back, when they were announcing things going back in the vault, I remember that you could go to the stores around here the next day and it seemed that they had sent any left over copies back! Because of that, I really panicked the last couple of times they e-mailed me about movies going back in the vault, even though they didn't actually disappear THOSE times.

In your area, the advertisement of the films going into the vault could have scared people to go buy them, therefore it may have appeared they were sent back. If that happens to you again, you can usually still find them at online retalers at the normal price.

when i was looking for platinum editions at amazon.com, i was shocked at the prices. especially beauty and the beast. it's a little hard to find good deals on OOP dvds on the internet.

Try the UD forums here, that's where I got my copy of B&TB recently.

AishaStar wrote:He just turned one year and I understand not to worry, but sometimes I can't help it. It's the waiting I can't stand.
may be totally off.

There'll be enough Disney material available - at any given time. Don't worry about that.

I understand Disney's strategy on taking films back in the vault, but why do shops and other places have to send them back to Disney instead of just selling the left-over copies? This is obviously not the case here in my country (many OOP DVD's are still available), so that's why I can't understand it, unless of course the DVD's were having very poor sales and were just taking too much space in the shops.

goofystitch wrote:I agree that Aladdin should be going into the vault along with these films. Disney is allegedly upset about it's poor sales and that is their excuse for keeping it out, but if they had originally said that it would only be available x-ammount of time like they did with Snow White and other top sellers, that probably would have earned them an extra million copies sold from people in fear that they would never own them. I keep the stickers on my slipcovers and upon looking at the Platinums, Aladdin is the only one without a "Limited time only" sticker. Even Bambi, which has been out longer than your average limited time engagement, has that sticker on it. Same with Cinderella and LATT. I'm assuming TLM will also. So maybe that is another reason Aladdin has undersold expectations. They never hyped up the "limited time" selling angle. I know it's gotten me to impulsively buy things I feared I would miss out on.

Coming from someone who was obsessed with Aladdin when I was 12 and it first came out in theaters, I was very disappointed with the special edition release. I felt it was lacking for special features, I didn't care for how the special features on disc 2 were set up, and there was NOT enough Robin Williams on there. They got all the other voice talent to include their two cents except for Robin Williams. I think this was the main reason the Aladdin special edition didn't sell too well.

promisemewings wrote:I felt it was lacking for special features, I didn't care for how the special features on disc 2 were set up,

If a 2-hour documentary is considered lacking, your expectations are way too high.

promisemewings wrote:and there was NOT enough Robin Williams on there. They got all the other voice talent to include their two cents except for Robin Williams. I think this was the main reason the Aladdin special edition didn't sell too well.

If you truly are obsessed with Aladdin, you'd know why Robin Williams is barely on the disc.

To sum things up:

Robin Williams agreed to do Aladdin (and I think even for scale pay so it'd remain in the budget of the film), but only under the understanding that Disney would NOT promote the film solely around him, that he wanted the movie to be promoted as an Aladdin Movie, not as Robin Williams as The Genie Movie. There was even a clause in his contract that only 1/3 of the poster would be his character. He got extremely upset when he saw the first promotional poster, as it did live up to the 1/3 clause, but all the other characters were extremely small compared to Genie, thus making it look like he was the main character in the movie. Incensed, Williams demanded that the posters be redone, because again, he didn't want his popularity overshadowing the film. In addition to that, he didn't want any credit in the film or the trailers, nothing that would market the movie using his name.

Since then, he's pretty much refused credit in any Aladdin merchandise, as he doesn't want Disney exploiting him for the film (he wants the film to stand on its own). I wouldn't have minded Williams chiming in for a few segments in the documentary, but at the same time, I can understand why he refused. If he had joined in, they likely would have turned the 2-hour ensemble documentary into 90 minutes of Williams and 30 minutes of everyone else.

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I hated how much of the special features were in a discussion style. I also find the short guy who was a supervising director to be very annoying. He hosted a lot of the Lady and the Tramp DVD as well. If they want to get an animator or director to host these things, get someone enjoyable like Glenn keane or Andreas Deja. I always love what AD has to say. He's so informative. The other guy, who's name I haven't bothered to remember, is nasal and annoying. lol.

the vault annoys me. but as a marketing technique it makes a lot of sense. I think in a way, they will continue to re-release all disney movies, because they've got to keep up with the new technology. those going into the vault are good choices.

Years ago almost every Disney title would go back "into the vault" after a very limited period. Nowadays the "problems" are marginal compared to that.

goofystitch wrote:I hated how much of the special features were in a discussion style. I also find the short guy who was a supervising director to be very annoying. He hosted a lot of the Lady and the Tramp DVD as well. If they want to get an animator or director to host these things, get someone enjoyable like Glenn keane or Andreas Deja. I always love what AD has to say. He's so informative. The other guy, who's name I haven't bothered to remember, is nasal and annoying. lol.

I love Andreas Deja!! It's always great what he tells you, and you can really see that he loves his job when he talks about animation. But he never seems to be upnosed and it's always easy to understand what he tells you, since he doesn't use many special terms that are oonly known to animators.
And he's German, like me!

Dottie wrote:Wow, Narnia going back so fast?!! I guess you're right that now everybody is going to rush out and buy it, before it goes back into the vault. Bambi kind of was overdue to go back again. I certainly won't regret LatT 2 going back. I don't like the sequels.

dottie, I am with you, the only sequel I really enjoyed was Pochontas 2 and the Lion king 2, and even that was scatching at my last nerve. however, Cinderella 3 sounds interesting.

Escapay wrote:

promisemewings wrote:I felt it was lacking for special features, I didn't care for how the special features on disc 2 were set up,

If a 2-hour documentary is considered lacking, your expectations are way too high.

promisemewings wrote:and there was NOT enough Robin Williams on there. They got all the other voice talent to include their two cents except for Robin Williams. I think this was the main reason the Aladdin special edition didn't sell too well.

If you truly are obsessed with Aladdin, you'd know why Robin Williams is barely on the disc.

To sum things up:

Robin Williams agreed to do Aladdin (and I think even for scale pay so it'd remain in the budget of the film), but only under the understanding that Disney would NOT promote the film solely around him, that he wanted the movie to be promoted as an Aladdin Movie, not as Robin Williams as The Genie Movie. There was even a clause in his contract that only 1/3 of the poster would be his character. He got extremely upset when he saw the first promotional poster, as it did live up to the 1/3 clause, but all the other characters were extremely small compared to Genie, thus making it look like he was the main character in the movie. Incensed, Williams demanded that the posters be redone, because again, he didn't want his popularity overshadowing the film. In addition to that, he didn't want any credit in the film or the trailers, nothing that would market the movie using his name.

Since then, he's pretty much refused credit in any Aladdin merchandise, as he doesn't want Disney exploiting him for the film (he wants the film to stand on its own). I wouldn't have minded Williams chiming in for a few segments in the documentary, but at the same time, I can understand why he refused. If he had joined in, they likely would have turned the 2-hour ensemble documentary into 90 minutes of Williams and 30 minutes of everyone else.

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i never knew why there was the big things over robin williams and disney, but if that is the case, do you know why he decided to come back and do aladdin and the king of theives?

RebelPrince1986 wrote:i never knew why there was the big things over robin williams and disney, but if that is the case, do you know why he decided to come back and do aladdin and the king of theives?

IIRC, there was a lot of groveling and apologies from Disney's camp, plus the fact that Williams likely wanted to finish up the character, since it would be the final movie. I think he was fine with Dan Castellana (sp?) doing the voice in Return of Jafar and the TV series, but since this was the last time he'd ever have to be the Genie in the series, he wanted to do it.

Of course, Disney would make a big deal about it, giving him credit right below the title on the VHS case.

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I am surprised "Aladdin" isn't scheduled to go back in the vault in 2007. It's been out for a little over 2 years now. I still see copies all over when I am looking at DVDs too. That's weird that it is still out.