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Black pearl wrote:

The people, rulers & the soldiers mocked him too.
Luke chapter 23 v 34 then said Jesus, “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do”. Wow, despite not asking for or wanting it!

On the contrary...

I think it's you who know-eth not what we do.

Super A, that's the coolest thing you've posted in - probably - months.

Lazario wrote: Super A, that's the coolest thing you've posted in - probably - months.

I dunno if I should take that as a compliment or not....

Am I THAT unfunny?

Super Aurora wrote:

Lazario wrote: Super A, that's the coolest thing you've posted in - probably - months.

I dunno if I should take that as a compliment or not....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEU5vXmE5mU

Just note that I chose "cool" over funny.

carolinakid wrote:I find The Passion Of The Christ very moving to me as a Christian. I watch it every Good Friday.

Does it not bother Cristians that they celebrate the brutal torture and murder of an innocent man as a good thing?

^well, I'm a little disturbed.

Goliath wrote:

carolinakid wrote:I find The Passion Of The Christ very moving to me as a Christian. I watch it every Good Friday.

Does it not bother Cristians that they celebrate the brutal torture and murder of an innocent man as a good thing?

I think it's one of those - as long as its' happening to someone else, not me - kinda things. Yay! He was mutilated by a mob of psychos so we don't have to be.

Lazario wrote:

Goliath wrote: Does it not bother Cristians that they celebrate the brutal torture and murder of an innocent man as a good thing?

I think it's one of those - as long as its' happening to someone else, not me - kinda things. Yay! He was mutilated by a mob of psychos so we don't have to be.

Well, in the end of course, he does sacrifice himself for the greater good, in Christians' eyes. So I mean it's not like watching some torture horror movie...

Goliath wrote:Does it not bother Cristians that they celebrate the brutal torture and murder of an innocent man as a good thing?

Well, I think they celebrate that he did that because he loved his people so much..... it's all very confusing...

Goliath wrote:

carolinakid wrote:I find The Passion Of The Christ very moving to me as a Christian. I watch it every Good Friday.

Does it not bother Cristians that they celebrate the brutal torture and murder of an innocent man as a good thing?

It bothers me that Jesus needed to die for my sake because I am a sinner (repentance), but I find the fact that he chose to die for me indescribably wonderful.
Romans ch5 v 7-8 “Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man yet perhaps for a good man someone would dare to die. But God shows his own love towards us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us” .
The bible says Romans ch6 v 23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our lord.”, I broke Gods law and Jesus freely chose to take my punishment upon himself, John ch10 v 17-18 “I lay down my life that I may take it again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.”
Jesus did this so that I and anyone else might be saved if we so choose. John ch3 v 16 -17 “For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
All anyone has to do to be saved is repent from their sins and accept Jesus as lord and saviour over their life, Romans ch 9 v 10 “If you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord”, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
2 Timothy ch2 v 19, “ Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness”.
Amazing.

As for comments such as “eating his flesh“, the Pharisees misunderstood this about Jesus in his day too.
Finally I don’t want to worry you, but Saul was on the road to Damascus to persecute and kill Christians where he started his conversion and became Paul the apostle. So having persecuted Christians as he did he instantly became one himself and was one of Gods greatest servants. Now the worrying part, you sound like a prime candidate for God to choose, to me.
Of course, in my eyes that’s a good thing.

Black pearl wrote:It bothers me that Jesus needed to die for my sake because I am a sinner

Name one thing you've done that is wrong.

Lazario wrote:

Black pearl wrote:It bothers me that Jesus needed to die for my sake because I am a sinner

Name one thing you've done that is wrong.

Or what Jebus caught you doing.

He died for you? A person he never met and you think it's great? If it were anyone else would you think so?

Ugh, this discussion really makes me glad that I only follow the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and his holy book "One hundred and one ways to prepare pasta!". Organized religions are way overrated (and corrupted) anyway, that's why I chose Spaghettiism as my religion.


P.S. Where's Scientology in the poll? Xenu will not be happy!

Duckburger wrote:Ugh, this discussion really makes me glad that I only follow the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and his holy book "One hundred and one ways to prepare pasta!". Organized religions are way overrated (and corrupted) anyway, that's why I chose Spaghettiism as my religion.

Spaghettiism sounds great, does its church feature a massive cathedral with gold leaf and stain glass depicting pasta utensils and pots?

Duckburger wrote:P.S. Where's Scientology in the poll? Xenu will not be happy!

Apparently, it's too ridiculous even by mainstream religion standards.

What about Cthulhu? He's an awesome god:






BUT the #1 and most AWESOME God will always be this man:



YAMMY

Black pearl wrote:It bothers me that Jesus needed to die for my sake because I am a sinner (repentance), but I find the fact that he chose to die for me indescribably wonderful.

This is something that confuses me. Did Jesus chose to die for mankind? I thought God and Jesus (and the Holy Spirit) were one? And I thought God already has a masterplan for everything, so that negates free will? So is it not true that God send himself to earth in the guise of his son to be tortured and murdered in order for his people to be redeemed?

It's all very confusing.


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Black pearl wrote:Now the worrying part, you sound like a prime candidate for God to choose, to me.
Of course, in my eyes that’s a good thing.

I'll be awaiting his call. I think he has my number.

Well, I'm technically a Christian, but I don't believe in Christianity, if that makes any sense. I'm not too keen on following a religion that influences people with fear. If you commit sins, and don't believe in God, you will be eternally damned. Yeah, sounds great.

And since God is supposed to have a master plan for everyone, he would have planned for Eve to eat the apple, and invent sin. He would have already known that he would send his son/himself to be tortured to death. So ultimately, he himself invented sin.

gotta love Maher.

Lazario wrote: Name one thing you've done that is wrong.

Why?
In the old testament they had to go to the priest to confess their sin & offer a sacrifice.
Then Jesus came & was sacrificed once for all the bible says. (unlike the catholics) we no longer go to the priest for confession & when I repent & ask God in Jesus’ name to forgive me, he not only does so, but it says he throws my sins into the deepest sea & they are eternally forgotten. So if he forgives & forgets, there is no need for you to know. However it is simple to break God’s laws.
I have broken Gods law.
God’s law is the 10 commandments:
You shall have no other God but me.
Do not steal
Do not lie.
Do not murder
Honour your mother and father, just to name some of them. It’s easy to look at them and say oh I don’t do those things, but lets go over them.
You shall have no other God but me: That means he is your only God & 1st love. If you idolise, worship or adore something more than him, you are putting something before him. For instance

Super Aurora wrote:What about Cthulhu? He's an awesome god:

Do not steal: it doesn’t matter if you steal something little or something big, stealing is stealing, and it doesn’t matter if you say “well that was a long time ago, I don’t do that now”, think of it like this, some one committed a really bad crime such as murder a long time ago & his crime has caught up with him, he is now standing in front of the judge in a court room years later and he says “well that was a really long time ago, I don’t do that anymore” would the judge be just to let him go? No! Then would a holy and righteous God be just to not pass sentence for breaking any laws? No!
Do not lie: the bible says every Liar will have his place in the lake of fire.
Do not murder. 1 john ch3 v 15 Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, & you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.
You shall not make for yourself an idol.
That also means don’t make a God to suit yourself, such as saying “God would not send people to hell” etc.

Goliath wrote:Did Jesus chose to die for mankind?

Yes read my previous post again about no one takes his life from him but he gives it freely.

Goliath wrote: I thought God already has a masterplan for everything, so that negates free will?

He knows the beginning and the end of every thing. Therefore he knows what your choices will be before you exist Jeremiah ch 1 v 5 Before I formed you in the belly I knew you….so your free will is only what you will decide whatever his plan.
Mind blowing isn’t it?

Goliath wrote:I thought God and Jesus (and the Holy Spirit) were one?

Correct. This is very hard to grasp even for some Christians. Perhaps this will help for an example, take a cup of boiling water and drop some DRY ice into it and what do you get in the cup? Answer, water, ice and steam. Three different substances normally with three different purposes but they are all one chemical, h20. God is one with three purposes.

Goliath wrote:It's all very confusing.

Matthew ch7 7-8 Ask, and it shall be given to you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened up to you: For everyone that asks receives; and he that seeks finds; and to him that knocks it shall be opened. This is where the Holy spirit comes in, at this time he is here on earth & is the one who reveals himself to you, when that happens, who needs answers, when you can experience him. If you then accept Jesus as Lord, he is the one who gives you a personal relationship with the Father & Son.

Goliath wrote:I'll be awaiting his call. I think he has my number.

He has every ones number, you just have to answer the call. Read my previous post, John ch3 v16. He loves YOU! He loves me, & all we need do is accept his love freely. What a deal! Is there any thing confusing about that? But it comes at the price of the world hating you, again in previous post. Well worth it for eternity with him in his kingdom(heaven) .

No other God but "me", eh? Guess you think all other religions are wrong then.
Chances are, they think that about yours which is why they chose alternatives.

Black pearl wrote: You shall have no other God but me: That means he is your only God & 1st love. If you idolise, worship or adore something more than him, you are putting something before him. For instance

Super Aurora wrote:What about Cthulhu? He's an awesome god:

You do realize I brought that god up as a joke? Even if I wasn't, what you just said in the quote make it that :
a)God is a jealous and attention wanting god and that if any one believes in something else otherwise, they are "WRONG".
b)by this statement, this means that the Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, Tao, etc are all "evil" and false religion just because just because you're so call God said so. this one rule I find to be the one that make Christianity such a hypocritical religion. It preaches goodness, kindness, etc but if someone doesn't want to believe in their precious religion: "DAMN THEM! They go to HELL!"

Christianity has such an elitism attitude that make me puke.

Black pearl wrote:You shall not make for yourself an idol.
That also means don’t make a God to suit yourself, such as saying “God would not send people to hell” etc.

ORLY? Too bad Christianity and even Judaism fall under that category too. All religion do. Again this goes back to what I said before.

Black pearl wrote:

Goliath wrote: I thought God already has a masterplan for everything, so that negates free will?

He knows the beginning and the end of every thing. Therefore he knows what your choices will be before you exist Jeremiah ch 1 v 5 Before I formed you in the belly I knew you….so your free will is only what you will decide whatever his plan.
Mind blowing isn’t it?

Having God being omniscience, and giving free will doesn't contradict each other when you really think about it. But what does make the contradiction in this claim for Christians is that they claim God is all loving and good that and that he set rules for us to abide and follow. Why would god go through all that pointless shit if he already knows that in next five min I'm going to eat a chalupa from taco bell?

For instance, Let's say Hitler killed all the jews but then ask for forgiveness for what he done and shit. Are you honestly saying that because Hitler did that he's going be free from heaven? He won't go to hell? I might as well go kill off people and then ask forgiveness since I'm sure guarantee will go to heaven if I do so, since god require you repent if you want go to heaven.

It just sprout hypocrisy.

bottom line: Judeo-chrisitianity has such high vision of themselves as if they are above all and others.

Black pearl wrote:

Goliath wrote:I'll be awaiting his call. I think he has my number.

He has every ones number, you just have to answer the call. Read my previous post, John ch3 v16. He loves YOU! He loves me, & all we need do is accept his love freely. What a deal! Is there any thing confusing about that? But it comes at the price of the world hating you, again in previous post. Well worth it for eternity with him in his kingdom(heaven) .

You are aware he was being sarcastic, don't you?