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Unfortunately I don't know if that is an unrestored version of Peter Pan. I don't own the Platinum Edition. I am thinking of getting the Blu-ray but I heard that's just a 2k restoration and I might want to wait till it gets a 4k restoration. How is Peter Pan's Blu-ray restoration?

Hey DisneyDuister,

Thanks for your post. I don't know about the blu ray restoration. I don't have it (nor am I going to), but I have read it is based off of a 2K restoration as well.
Like I said, there are TWO versions of Peter pan on the Platinum edition, one on each disc. The one on the second disc looks very different.... if someone else out there can check it out... is that the unrestored version?

Thanks!

So has Lowry or Disney ever commented on the terrible restoration of this film? I know it's not as simple as a disc replacement program, but they need to acknonwledge the butchering that happened here. I can't believe the revisited Bambi in 2009 but just used the same 2005 restoration of Cinderella for the 2012 release. Unacceptable. This is one of the best movies of the 1950s, and it's treated like that.


I still haven't purchased this edition, but it's pretty obvious there's some serious problems with it. How much of the movie overall is effected and should i still pick it up?

jade wrote:So has Lowry or Disney ever commented on the terrible restoration of this film? I know it's not as simple as a disc replacement program, but they need to acknonwledge the butchering that happened here. I can't believe the revisited Bambi in 2009 but just used the same 2005 restoration of Cinderella for the 2012 release. Unacceptable. This is one of the best movies of the 1950s, and it's treated like that.


I still haven't purchased this edition, but it's pretty obvious there's some serious problems with it. How much of the movie overall is effected and should i still pick it up?

The restoration is botched, but when actual in motion and your not looking for it, its not noticeable. Well besides when Cinderella is fleeing, then she looks like she's running away in a blue circle. Other than that, its not that noticeable.

Disney_freak wrote:

jade wrote:So has Lowry or Disney ever commented on the terrible restoration of this film? I know it's not as simple as a disc replacement program, but they need to acknonwledge the butchering that happened here. I can't believe the revisited Bambi in 2009 but just used the same 2005 restoration of Cinderella for the 2012 release. Unacceptable. This is one of the best movies of the 1950s, and it's treated like that.


I still haven't purchased this edition, but it's pretty obvious there's some serious problems with it. How much of the movie overall is effected and should i still pick it up?

Bambi used the same restoration with some minor tweaks. I'd say that 85% of the movie has noticeable problems.

The restoration is botched, but when actual in motion and your not looking for it, its not noticeable. Well besides when Cinderella is fleeing, then she looks like she's running away in a blue circle. Other than that, its not that noticeable.

It is to some of us.

Lnds500 wrote:
It is to some of us.

Well clearly you can see the mistakes if you look for them and know them. I see all of the mistakes. When it comes down to it, most people don't notice the errors unless you knew about them.

Disney is reporting that the Diamond edition of Cinderella sold below the company's expectations.

Well, if they bothered to deliver a more quality product perhaps it would have performed better.

Disney_freak wrote:

Lnds500 wrote:
It is to some of us.

Well clearly you can see the mistakes if you look for them and know them. I see all of the mistakes. When it comes down to it, most people don't notice the errors unless you knew about them.

Do you still enjoy it now you know the mistakes are there?

My problem is that when I watched the Blu-ray the first time, before I became aware of the publicity over its restoration, I thought it looked a little too 'perfect' and 'clean' in some scenes...and then I saw the transformation scene. I did notice some of the changes. Maybe the differences were clearer to me because I had viewed older, pre-restoration, versions many times on old VHS and LD releases but it immediately made me wary of the restoration. Now I won't even watch it as I don't believe I'm watching the real film - or rather the actual animated art work. It has spoilt my enjoyment. For me it's now a case of: what other changes have been made that aren't known about? What else has been removed, altered or 'corrected'? I'm so sceptical about the restoration now and it's led me to become unsure about other Disney releases as I feel I've lost confidence in their product.

I really can't believe Disney hasn't done anything about it - their actions suggest they don't see it as a problem, which is worrying. What would the original animators say? What would Walt say?

I want to enjoy Cinderella but unless I connect my LD player to my TV I won't be doing that until a future 'restored' edition.

Matt

MattDean wrote:What would the original animators say? What would Walt say?

I dunno. Why don't you bring 'em back from the dead and show them the Blu-ray?

Sotiris wrote:Disney is reporting that the Diamond edition of Cinderella sold below the company's expectations.

Well, if they bothered to deliver a more quality product perhaps it would have performed better.

Disney probably assumes a small number of people love Cinderella these days and that's why the sales were below expectations not because the film's Diamond DVD and Blu-ray sucks and many people don't want to support a poor quality product.

Sotiris wrote:Disney is reporting that the Diamond edition of Cinderella sold below the company's expectations.

What're they gonna do, boot Cinderella from the Diamond/whatever line like they did with Aladdin because of it?

Sky Syndrome wrote:Disney probably assumes a small number of people love Cinderella these days and that's why the sales were below expectations not because the film's Diamond DVD and Blu-ray sucks and many people don't want to support a poor quality product.

The average consumer isn't going to notice the poor quality of the restoration, just that it looks sharp and has bright, pretty colors. And most people are buying it for their little girls because it's a Disney princess movie; I doubt most even realize how old it is or its significance in film history.

enigmawing wrote:I doubt most even realize how old it is or its significance in film history.

Let alone its significance in Disney history or significance to the company as a whole?

It's own Disney's fault for making it a" little girls movie " they only have themselves to blame. It used to be known for a beautiful and historic animated movie.

They even said in the trailers " Buy this movie for your little Princess "

Disney_freak wrote:

Lnds500 wrote:
It is to some of us.

Well clearly you can see the mistakes if you look for them and know them. I see all of the mistakes. When it comes down to it, most people don't notice the errors unless you knew about them.

Not entirely true. I've noticed a lot of "weird" looking animation on Cinderella which I remembered from memory looking different. So, to be more precise, "if you know what the problem is, you can notice most mistakes on your own".

jade wrote:So has Lowry or Disney ever commented on the terrible restoration of this film? I know it's not as simple as a disc replacement program, but they need to acknonwledge the butchering that happened here. I can't believe the revisited Bambi in 2009 but just used the same 2005 restoration of Cinderella for the 2012 release. Unacceptable. This is one of the best movies of the 1950s, and it's treated like that.


I still haven't purchased this edition, but it's pretty obvious there's some serious problems with it. How much of the movie overall is effected and should i still pick it up?

Bambi in no shape or form needed a new restoration. Restorations for the sake of a restoration are what lead to films being badly restored. Bambi's blu-ray looks fantastic.

Sotiris wrote:Disney is reporting that the Diamond edition of Cinderella sold below the company's expectations.

Well, if they bothered to deliver a more quality product perhaps it would have performed better.

We should send them feedback (or continue to) regarding Cinderella's Diamond Edition. It can't hurt.

It sounds to me like they are partly considering it disappointing because they are comparing it's sales to The Lion King the previous October. Sadly I wouldn't be surprised if there were people that stupid working in the Home Video marketing department. Disney needs to just thank their lucky stars to have a juggernaut like The Lion King and stop holding everything else to it's standard of financial success.

I very sadly think that Cinderella didn't get bought as much as they hoped just because these days Cinderella isn't as popular as she used to be. Or maybe they did have ridiculously high expectations. Or it was kind of both.

I think it was both. It doesn't have a captial V Villain like The Evil Queen or Maleficent so people just think it's some vapid piece about a Fairy Godmother giving her everything (which is obviously not the point).

On a restoration-related note, something's bothering me about The Rescuers, namely the backgrounds. I think it was scrubbed a bit more than it seemed like given the grain, so they may have added some grain back in to mask the discrepancies.

Maybe people do view Cinderella like that. I can see how it doesn't have a "capital V" villain like Maleficent.