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dvdjunkie wrote:Here we go. Romney - 2: Obama - 0

dvdjunkie wrote:Stupid......errr Super Aurora:

dvdjunkie wrote:It was the current President who made the most damaging remark at last night's debate about women.

dvdjunkie wrote:Romney cited that over 3 million woman are now living under the poverty level.

You evidently didn't watch the debate or only heard what you wanted to hear. There were mentions of women 80 times by both candidates and they only mentioned men less than 10 times.

Asked about fair pay for women during the second presidential debate, President Barack Obama was quick to bring up the first piece of legislation he signed into law -- the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.

Audience member Katherine Fenton asked Obama, "In what new ways to you intend to rectify the inequalities in the workplace, specifically regarding females making only 72 percent of what their male counterparts earn?"

Obama talked about being raised by a single mom who put herself through school and of his grandmother, who worked her way up from a bank secretary to a vice president but "hit the glass ceiling."

"She trained people who would end up becoming her bosses during the course of her career. She didn't complain. That's not what you did in that generation," he said at the debate at Hofstra University on Oct. 16, 2012. "And this is one of the reasons why one of the first -- the first bill I signed was something called the Lilly Ledbetter bill."

Romney responded by saying at one point he had more women in senior leadership positions than any other governor and that he wanted to help more women find jobs.

Obama jumped in, saying, "Katherine, I just want to point out that when Gov. Romney's campaign was asked about the Lilly Ledbetter bill, whether he supported it, he said, ‘I'll get back to you.’ And that's not the kind of advocacy that women need in any economy."

Did Romney and his campaign really refuse to say whether he supported the law? Sort of.

The law, which Obama signed on Jan. 29, 2009, made it easier for workers to pursue wage discrimination claims but received little Republican support in Congress. It updated 1960s civil rights and age discrimination laws to reset the statute of limitations on such claims with each new paycheck. In 2007, the Supreme Court had ruled in Ledbetter vs. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. that the 180-day statute of limitations started from the day an employer made the decision to discriminate — making it impossible for employees who learned of such discrimination later to get relief, such as back pay.

What did Romney have to say about it? For a previous fact-check in May, the Obama campaign directed us to a couple media reports.

In an April 2012 conference call covered by a Washington Post blogger, a Huffington Post reporter asked an unnamed Romney adviser whether Romney supported the Lilly Ledbetter Act. The adviser responded, "Sam (Stein), we’ll get back to you on that."

Later, Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul clarified in an email, "He supports pay equity and is not looking to change current law."

The second piece the Obama campaign showed us was a Romney interview by Diane Sawyer of ABC News. Sawyer asked Romney, " If you were president — you had been president — would you have signed the Lilly Ledbetter Law?"

Romney’s response:

Romney: "It's certainly a piece of legislation I have no intention of changing. I wasn't there three years ago —"

Sawyer:: "But would you have signed it?"

Romney: "... I'm not going to go back and look at all the prior laws and say had I been there which ones would I have supported and signed, but I certainly support equal pay for women and — and have no intention of changing that law, don't think there's a reason to."

Here, Romney did refuse to say whether he would have signed the bill into law. But he also said he has "no intention of changing that law."

Our ruling

Obama said that when asked whether he would have signed the Lilly Ledbetter Act into law, Romney's campaign said, "I'll get back to you." His point was that the campaign was dodging the question.

Indeed, a Romney adviser did say earlier this year that he would "get back" to a reporter about whether he supported the Lilly Ledbetter Act. A spokeswoman then said he would not change it, and Romney later said he "certainly support(s) equal pay for women," and has "no intention of changing that law."

So Obama is correct about the initial statement, but Romney later clarified by saying he wouldn't change the law. We rate Obama's claim Mostly True.

dvdjunkie wrote:You, who think that I have lost credibility are the ones who have lost their outlook on this campaign.

dvdjunkie wrote:You probably don't or won't read any of links to news because they are from Fox News, the Reagan Coalition, or something else.

dvdjunkie wrote:That is blind of each one of you. You are the ones who seem to have your minds made up and won't listen to anything anyone, let alone just me, and what they might have to say.

dvdjunkie wrote:My only hope is that on November 7th you will come to this thread and apologize to me for not seeing the light of the wrongs and failures of Ex-President Obama. If I am wrong you can bet your bottom dollar I will be here admitting I was wrong. I don't believe in saying I told you so, but I will be gloating a bit when Romney/Ryan defeat Obama/Biden in 20 days. I hope you are just as anxious to apologize and admit that I was right and you were wrong. You probably won't because then that would be giving credibility to all that I have had to say in the past four pages.

dvdjunkie wrote:If you don't want to look dumb or ignorant, take a few minutes and read what links I have posted and see if they aren't filled with more truths than you thought.

Here's what CNN's is back-peddling about concerning about Cathy Crowley:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10 ... ct-terror/

Be informed and read this carefully. A "Liberal" admits she was wrong. It must be awfully cold in hell now that the truth has come out.

dvdjunkie wrote:Stupid......errr Super Aurora:

CJ wrote:

dvdjunkie wrote:Stupid......errr Super Aurora:

That is uncalled for Bill, personal attacks are not allowed in any form, and you know that! Any more personal attacks from any member, in any form will result in the closure of this thread.

(Reuters) - With polls suggesting women voters were shifting their support to Mitt Romney, President Barack Obama made an aggressive pitch to them on Tuesday that yielded awkward moments for the Republican and a favorite new catch phrase on social media.

Obama hit hard on issues such as equal pay for women and contraception and abortion rights in the second of three presidential debates ahead of the November 6 election. The topics did not come up in the first debate on October 3, when Romney outshone the Democratic president.

Romney has gained ground on Obama in opinion polls since the first head-to-head and took the lead in many surveys. Reuters/Ipsos polling data showed the Democrat's support slipping among women, particularly married women.

Fifty-nine percent of married white women backed Romney for president, versus only 30.4 percent who picked Obama, according to data for the week ending October 14. That was a move of around eight points in Romney's favor since before the first debate.

With strong support among women essential to his hopes of winning re-election, Obama devoted much of the second debate toward shoring up their support.

He mentioned the women's health organization Planned Parenthood five times. He stressed that Romney had promised to defund the organization, which provides contraception and abortions, but also basic services like cancer screenings.

Romney hit back by saying that he would help women, and all Americans, by improving the sputtering economy. But the Republican offered fewer specifics on women's issues than Obama and at times seemed to stumble.

"Any ground that Mitt Romney gained over the last week or week and a half, he lost tonight," said Jennifer Lawless, director of the Women and Politics Institute at American University.

"Barack Obama was incredibly strong on appealing to women and casting doubt on Mitt Romney's statements."

One of the night's most memorable moments came when Romney was asked how he would ensure pay equity for women. He answered by recalling how, as governor of Massachusetts, he had been concerned when all of the applicants for his cabinet were men.

"I went to a number of women's groups and said, 'Can you help us find folks,' and they brought us whole binders full of women," Romney said.

Romney's somewhat awkward response lit up social media. The user name @RomneyBinders got its own Twitter account, and attracted more than 31,000 followers less than an hour after the debate ended. The hashtag #bindersfullofwomen was one of the 10 most common on the social media service.

Democrats said Romney's answer seemed to show he had few women in his inner circle, and the candidate did not directly address the pay equality issue.

"I don't think he substantively engaged on this matter that would make a real difference and that is an important issue in the conversation," said Tara McGuinness, executive director of the left-leaning Center for American Progress Action Fund.

Romney also talked about how he had offered flexible hours so his chief of staff could be with her children when they came home from school.

Romney's comments sounded like "they were from 50 years ago," said Christine Williams, a nurse practitioner from Shaker Heights, Ohio, who watched the debate at a viewing party in the crucial swing state.

In contrast, she said, "When Obama talks about that, it makes my soul sing."

ECONOMIC CASE

Romney cast his appeal to women in economic terms, repeatedly saying that millions of women had lost their jobs in the four years Obama has been president.

"There are 3.5 million more women living in poverty today than when the president took office," he said.

"What we can do to help young women and women of all ages is to have a strong economy, so strong that employers are looking to find good employees and bringing them into their workforce, and adapting to a flexible work schedule that gives women the opportunities that they would otherwise not be able to afford," he said.

Obama stressed his support for the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, the first bill he signed into law as president, which guarantees equal pay for women workers. Romney has declined to say whether he supports the law.

Analysts said Obama's performance was likely to stop the loss of support among women voters.

"We'll probably see some movement of women in a more pro-Obama direction after tonight," said Susan Carroll, senior scholar at the Center for American Women and Politics at Rutgers University. "I think some women saw the Obama that they hoped to see and were disappointed not to see the first debate."

Women in a snap poll by the Democratic Lake Research Partners picked Obama as the debate winner by 56-34 percent. Men also gave Obama the victory, but by a narrower 49-43 percent.

Romney strongly disputed an accusation by Obama that he "feels more comfortable having politicians in Washington decide the health-care choices that women are making."

He went out of his way to say: "Every women in America should have access to contraceptives... the president's statement of my policy is wrong."

Obama scored points by talking about his working mother and grandmother, and his children. "I've got two daughters and I want to make sure that they have the same opportunities that anybody's sons have," he said.

(The Reuters/Ipsos database is now public and searchable here: tinyurl.com/reuterspoll)

(Additional reporting by Alina Selyukh in Washington and Eric Johnson in Lakewood, Ohio; Editing by Alistair Bell, David Brunnstrom and Vicki Allen)