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Guys, are you going to buy the complete first season or just Vol. 2?

As an update, Matthew Morrison, Lea Michele, and Chris Colfer all lost the Emmy! They also lost Outstanding Writing for a Comedy Series.

Still, I firmly believe Chris will get one in the future!

On the bright side, Jane Lynch won for her role as Sue Sylvester and Ryan Murphy won for Outstanding Directing for a Comedy Series! Outstanding Comedy Series has yet to be announced.

So hoping the Emmy shows up in her trophy room this season! She can say she won it for Sue's Corner.

Still hoping Glee wins Best Comedy.

Glee just lost to Modern Family for Outstanding Comedy Series.

There's always next year! And once again I'm so happy Jane won her Emmy!

Modern Family feels like the underdaog everyone loves; I'm glad it won, but that it beat Glee and The Office. I knew Jane Lynch would get it and nobody else from the cast. Lea Michelle had the best chance and may be soon enough, but Mathew and Chris don't really have emmy performance worthy characters. Oh well, Glee is obviously everyone's favorite but these things happen.

The only way "Glee" will win anything is if they improve the storyline and let the stars of the show do their own singing.

Personally I will not be watching the show this year, there is too many other "Good" shows on at the same time.

I am not 'Glee'-ful about "Glee".

dvdjunkie wrote:The only way "Glee" will win anything is if they improve the storyline and let the stars of the show do their own singing.

It's fine if you don't like it- I don't care, to each his own.

But they do their own singing! Not a single person on this show is dubbed! No one! And to add to that, virtually half the cast are Broadway vets- very, very successful Broadway vets.

The singing is still dubbed after the show is done. Sure I know the stars doe their own singing, but why not let them do it live and not over-dubbed. Sometimes it looks like they are lip-syncing.

That is what bothers me most about this show. If they want to become a 'variety' show with guest stars and some story, I am fine with that. But the situations they have just don't exist in most schools that I have ever attended.

I just want to see a more realistic show. If it is about a high school chorus and certain talented individuals, then lets give them a life away from school and not get the whole school involved in the story.

dvdjunkie wrote:The singing is still dubbed after the show is done.

Er, Bill...that's the way most any filmed musical is done.

The actors pre-record the song. During filming, they lip-synch to the song (that they sung), this time adding in the physical movements that would otherwise affect their singing (try singing in a consistently even/balanced tone whilst running and jumping and twirling around faster than a squirrel on steroids).

Watch any DVD bonus feature for a musical. They will almost always include footage of the cast in recording booths singing the song before they film the scene, intermixing it with the "finished film" that has the same exact audio track.

dvdjunkie wrote:Sure I know the stars doe their own singing, but why not let them do it live and not over-dubbed.

Filmed musicals (be it movies or TV) is vastly different from live stage musicals. In a live stage musical, lip-synching is immediately noticeable.

A film/tv show has its audio mix created during and after filming. Most actors even still have to go into recording booths and do ADR since the live audio may not always be useable.

Actual live singing recorded to film (and actually used in the final audio mix) has not been done since the early years of talkies, when musicals (and really all sound films) were in their infancy. Al Jolson sings live in The Jazz Singer. Anita Page sings live in The Broadway Melody.

The only recent instance (e.g. past 50 years) I can think of in which a filmed musical was done "live to tape" (well, live to film) was when Peter Bogdanovich famously forced all his actors to sing and dance live when filming takes for 1975's At Long Last Love, with no dubbing involved. The film did badly at the box office, and many reviews cited the decision to make the actors sing live.

However, sometimes the actors will vocally sing when they're filming a scene, rather than lip-synch. In the making-of documentary for Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, Jane Powell talks about filming her singing "Wonderful Wonderful Day." She had recorded it previously, and during filming, even though she could easily just lip-synch to the playback, she opted to sing along with it. Of course, it's the pre-recorded track that is actually used in the final mix, but for Powell, she sang along as she felt it would enhance her performance. I'm sure other actors do the same thing.

Heck, in the movie Singin' in the Rain it features the following sequence of scenes:

1. Kathy singing "Would You" in a recording studio with a full orchestra.

2. Lina listening to the playback on a record, practicing how to lip-synch to it properly.

3. Don, RF, and Cosmo in the theatre watching the film playback, with Lina lip-synching to Kathy's voice.

The whole idea of Lina lip-synching to Kathy's voice was a major plot point in Singin' in the Rain.

albert

dvdjunkie wrote: The situations they have just don't exist in most schools that I have ever attended.

You have just described every single TV show about High School Kids EVER.

Also I don't get why you are so adamant in your criticisms about the pre-recorded singing on Glee. Every time I got pissed about pre-recorded group numbers on American Idol you didn't have a problem. And that show is an actual singing competition.

Let me close by saying something you have often told me: If you don't like the show don't watch it.

Escapay wrote:The only recent instance (e.g. past 50 years) I can think of in which a filmed musical was done "live to tape" (well, live to film) was when Peter Bogdanovich famously forced all his actors to sing and dance live when filming takes for 1975's At Long Last Love, with no dubbing involved. The film did badly at the box office, and many reviews cited the decision to make the actors sing live.

The only other instance that I know of is Across the Universe. Taymor said that 70% of the singing is "live" and the pre-recorded vocals weren't used (they were used, obviously, for the other 30%). Other than that, it's pretty rare for a film to have live singing (simply because it's too difficult).

TheSequelOfDisney wrote:

Escapay wrote:The only recent instance (e.g. past 50 years) I can think of in which a filmed musical was done "live to tape" (well, live to film) was when Peter Bogdanovich famously forced all his actors to sing and dance live when filming takes for 1975's At Long Last Love, with no dubbing involved. The film did badly at the box office, and many reviews cited the decision to make the actors sing live.

The only other instance that I know of is Across the Universe. Taymor said that 70% of the singing is "live" and the pre-recorded vocals weren't used (they were used, obviously, for the other 30%). Other than that, it's pretty rare for a film to have live singing (simply because it's too difficult).

Really? Was it in the bonus features where she said that? I haven't watched the featurettes since I first bought the DVD, so I likely forgot that.

It also explains why the tracks on the soundtrack are different arrangements from what's in the film. I like "With A Little Help From My Friends" in the film, the soundtrack version isn't as good (while it's longer, it's missing the waitresses and drunk guy, along with not sounding as "alive" as the film version).

albert

It's either in one of the featurettes or the audio commentary (I don't remember which; I haven't watched/listened to the bonus features in awhile). I, personally, only notice when the songs are different simply because I've listened to the soundtrack way too much. I know all of the inflections and breathing patterns and everything. Most notable, as you mentioned, is "With A Little Help From My Friends." "Let It Be" also has some differences between the live version and the recorded version.

dvdjunkie wrote:But the situations they have just don't exist in most schools that I have ever attended.

Erm...yes they do. High schools don't do much to soothe teenagers' hormones. Sure, the themes in Glee may be sensationalised in their translation to the screen, but I think that you'll find that these sort of things happen in real high schools on all corners of the globe:

*Teachers bully their students.
*Teachers are colleagues and don't always get on.
*Intelligence and skill isn't necessarily seen as virtuous.
*Peer pressure develops into a pathological hierarchy system. This semi-feudal system leads to petty violence and bullying amongst youths. Also as a result of this hierarchy, people become alienated and depressed, friends conspire against friends etc.
*If one isn't from the social norm (aka having two living heterosexual parents, adhering to the respective rules of masculinity or femininity) then one is automatically alienated.
*People are pigeon-holed based on how they look (even in Britain where uniforms are commonplace, it still happens).
*Golden girls (and golden boys) "fall from grace".
*Students have high sex drives.
*Some teenagers are homosexual, and the problems involving themselves and others recognising it are huge.

Now, I understand that you are one of the older members on this forum and haven't been to school in many, many years, back when things were potentially a lot different. But if you don't think that stuff like this happens in schools today, then I don't know what to do other than to go and place hidden cameras along numerous school corridors and playgrounds. When I first saw Glee, I honestly saw it as the anti-High School Musical. Stuff like High School Musical turns high school into a rosy fairy tale, and becomes an ignorant joke in the process. You can moan about the awkwardly cut karaoke-style numbers, but Glee makes more of a statement about schools, adolescence and the world today than you're making it out to be.

While I totally understand that pre-recorded tracks are commonplace, and I'm not against them at all in terms of film or television musicals, they seriously need to be worked on for Glee.

I am aware that most of the actors on the show have Broadway experience, and thus are outstanding live singers with few flaws. However, it comes off as blatantly obvious that the vocal tracks have been messed with. There are too many instances of nearly impossible vocal runs or robotic-sounding harmonies for me to believe these are unaltered tracks.

The worst part? It's completely unnecessary. Lea Michele sang "Don't Rain on My Parade" at the Tony's and it was nearly just as good as it was on Glee. There were a couple minor flaws, but that's to be expected with ANY live performance. I would much prefer to hear an excellent live track than to hear a digitally altered too-perfect track.

So, I dont think dvdjunkie is against pre-recorded tracks, more just poorly done one's, such as the ones you can find on Glee.

Still love the show though!

Glee: The Complete First Season was released on DVD and Blu-Ray today. In exactly one week, the new season begins!

"Glee" is planning a "Rocky Horror Picture Show" tribute, and Susan Sarandon says she is open to guesting on the show if it comes together.

I can't believe that they want to do a show dedicated to Britney Spears. She has had her 15 minutes of fame, and is the not the role-model that I would want my grandkids to be like.

"Glee" is still not one of my favorite shows, but I will drop in once in a while and see what is going on. It's just I can't remember ever going to school and being able to jump into a song and dance without missing a beat. That stuff is so bad.

"Camp Rock The Final Jam" was so bad about doing that. When I went to camp, it was who was going to be last into the lake, and who was first line at dinner time. We didn't know anything about dancing to pass the time away. Maybe I would like these shows, including "Glee" if they were more realistic about what really happens at school and at camp.

dvdjunkie wrote:"Glee" is planning a "Rocky Horror Picture Show" tribute, and Susan Sarandon says she is open to guesting on the show if it comes together.

Kevin McHale visted the set of my first movie (since his buddy V from the NLT days is the lead in it) and I had to stop my self from acting like a fan boy and asking "business or pleasure?" when he and some friends were looking for a place that was playing Rocky Horror.

-Sky

This thread has the mp3 and a video of just the music of Glee's Empire State of Mind. Enjoy:

http://www.gleeforum.com/index.php?show ... 306&st=100

dvdjunkie wrote: I can't believe that they want to do a show dedicated to Britney Spears. She has had her 15 minutes of fame, and is the not the role-model that I would want my grandkids to be like.

Uh... Britney Spears is one of the most iconic pop singers of all time... highly doubt her minutes will be up for a long time.