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Dottie wrote:(Have you heard that they're thinking about banning Lasertag in Germany? And I haven't even played it once )

What?! No, they can't do that!

I only played Laser tag...twice in my life. There used to be a laser tag place at one of the many malls in Jersey, and if a kid ever had a party there, laser tag was definitely part of the party. Both times I was never sure who the hell was on my team, so I'd just shoot anyone.

albert

Escapay wrote:Both times I was never sure who the hell was on my team, so I'd just shoot anyone.

That's the way to do it! We should have an UD laser tag night. I'm quite the wild card.

In that case, let's divide the teams into Team Blu and Team DVD. Then we can shoot down both!

albert

I'll use my shiny Beauty and the Beast platinum DVD to deflect all lasers!

Forget the BatB cover, I'll use shiny slipcovers to deflect the lasers.

At least they'd actually be put to good use.

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This video is too good not to be posted!

6:30 is when it becomes more evident! and 8:27 is laughable!!!

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This video is too good not to be posted!

6:30 is when it becomes more evident! and 8:27 is laughable!!!

I smell another argument about colors/editing coming up..

So do I, Iceflash, so do I.

I'll save everyone the trouble though...

(a room full of ranters)

Ranter 1: OMG!!! Look at the colors! They're hideous on the 2002 version! So bright and Microsoft Paint-y!

Ranter 2: SHUT UP! You're comparing an old and faded VHS that's probably from a fourth generation FILM PRINT to a then-newly mastered DVD DIRECT FROM THE DIGITAL CAPS SOURCE!

Ranter 1: YOU SHUT UP! I know what I'm talking about!

Ranter 2: I know what I'm talking about too! Geez, won't you people just give up on expecting a film from 1991 to look old and dark because your old VHS and laserdiscs look old and dark?!? God, what do you expect from something that's multi-generational!

Ranter 1: But look at how the environment and tone of the entire movie changes! It's not what the filmmakers wanted!

Ranter 3: Honey, what the filmmakers wanted is on the DVD, otherwise they wouldn't have approved of it.

Ranter 4: Oh sure, they wanted big bright colors and for night to look like early evening. You're just a puppet repeating what the master wants you to repeat.

Ranter 3: As if you know what the filmmakers want!

Ranter 4: Of course I know what they want! I know that movie like the back of my hand, I've watched it enough times in the past 18 years to know that what we got on DVD in 2002 is NOT what they intended.

Ranter 5: Good lord, will you all just SHUT UP! You're just consumers! We're all consumers! And we'll buy the thing regardless if they turn it into a black and white film run backwards with Polish dubbing! You know why? Because it's a damn good film if we watch it in dark or bright colors, it's a damn good film if we watch it in black and white and backwards, it's a damn good film if we watch it in English or Polish or Thermian or Vogon! And you all know this, so just SHUT UP ABOUT IT ALREADY! It's not as if a few hundred internet complaints will convince them to change it to something old and faded JUST TO SATISFY YOUR MEMORIES!

Ranters 1, 2, 3, & 4: ...

Ranter 1: Yeah...you're right.

Ranter 2: I'll still buy the movie when it comes out again...and again..and again.

Ranter 3: Me too.

Ranter 4: Not me.

Ranter 5: ...

Ranter 4: Okay, so maybe I will.

(The ranters leave)



albert

Escapay wrote: Because it's a damn good film if we watch it in dark or bright colors, it's a damn good film if we watch it in black and white and backwards, it's a damn good film if we watch it in English or Polish or Thermian or Vogon!

I'd buy it in Vogon in a heartbeat .
But it is old news, the colors are different in both versions, we know already.

8:27 looks too evident to be labelled as just being VHS, though.

ajmrowland wrote:8:27 looks too evident to be labelled as just being VHS, though.

yes it does. either way i'd buy a blu-ray with the vhs colors any day over the 2002 dvd. i don't care what people say, or what the directors say was the intended look for the film, i prefer the vhs colors, although i'm sure that they are worn to an extent, they still look much richer, more romantic and draw you in over the hyped up red and bright yellows, not to mention belle's hair.. another thing is the chair she is sitting on while eating, it goes from brown to red... this whole thing just erks me. i'm sure it will be corrected by the time it comes out but still.. it is kind of ridiculous that a movie can look completely different on two different releases. (spare me the whole vhs is old and faded thing i know.)

I actually think the old version is just a tad too dark, but it has deeper and more natural looking colors, as well as better shadows. I would personally like a combination between the old and the new...

WAIT, isn't there a really good simple solution to knowing what the colors were?

Okay, remember when certain people (like, um, me) were talking about the older films differing so much from the VHS and Laserdiscs (when the laserdiscs were often also restored to the original look, ahem), but disputers said;

"You didn't watch it when it first came out. You don't know what it looked like in theaters."

Okay, well, um...

People today on this very foum have gotten to watch this film in it's original release in theaters.

So. Come out, those who saw this film in theaters...pretty much everybody because Beauty and the Beast is so recent.

Everyone who saw Beauty and the Beast in it's first theatrical release...what did it really look like? The DVD? Or more like the VHS?

And didn't the filmakers actually come out and say they deliberately changed the colors anyway, alomg with animation and other things in the film?

I saw it in theaters. And the VHS is closer to the theatrical release.

Promotional stills from the time of its original release confirm this as well. The 2002 version is altered. Most likely to make the film match the Human Again scene, wich was animated much brighter. It's the only possible explanation.

ajmrowland wrote:8:27 looks too evident to be labelled as just being VHS, though.

To me it looks way too dark. The candles were dimming, not completely blown out. For all the candles in the room, it looks too dark in the VHS version. The dvd doesn't look correct either, but at least the scene has to have a warmer feeling to it.

PatrickvD wrote:I saw it in theaters. And the VHS is closer to the theatrical release.

Promotional stills from the time of its original release confirm this as well. The 2002 version is altered. Most likely to make the film match the Human Again scene, wich was animated much brighter. It's the only possible explanation.

Yeah, it's much more likely that they would alter the entire film to fit in one scene than to just alter the colors of the scene that was especially animated for the movie. Makes perfect sense.

Yep, I saw it in theatres too, and the VHS colors are closer than the dvd.

Also, the filmmakers say they deliberately altered the colors,

AND, the original caps files are used for the Batb trailers on all the Disney dvd's that came out. (for example the 2003 Sleeping Beauty dvd) and the image looks crystal clear and matches the BATB vhs version.

So, for the dvd they changed the caps files.

from what it looks to me, both were wrong. 2002 seems unnaturally bright and the vhs looks unnaturally dark. In the dark scenes you cant see detail in a lot of items throughout the castle. Also, the candles, as someone else has already mentioned, are way too dark to reflect real flame. In the newer version the night scenes are way too light, a lot of textures in things such as the drapery and carpet in the staircase scene is completely lost, and other textures and shades of things such as hair and shadow seem extremely simple.

I think the best option would be to settle somewhere in the middle. Both seem to be the extreme and not right.

You know, when arguments like this come about, I propose that we just be glad that we can see any colours. There are many people in the world who are colour blind, and can't see the wonderful colours this world has to offer. Imagine seeing a rainbow, and all of the whimsy and wonder was sucked out of it. Think how that must feel. Or how many stories, songs and films would lose part of their impact and meaning; The Wizard of Oz, Little Red Riding Hood, Goldfinger, Snow White, "Lady in Red", "Life in Technicolor", and "Blue Suede Shoes" are all such victims. So don't go abusing your rights by getting into such bitter arguments which lead to nothing. Respect your ability to see vivid colours.

I doubt anybody would find that find funny, and for the record, whilst I kinda prefer the VHS version (mainly because it IS the true theatrical cut per se, aspect ratio aside), I think that there's more important things to worry about in life than the colours of the interiors of a fictional castle.

I saw Beauty and the Beast in theaters own the VHS and the DVD. This movie instantly became on of my all time favs and as a result I own a ton of B&B memorabilia including trading cards, a book of post cards and several lithographs from when the movie first came out and all of the pics I have are more accurately represented by the VHS than the DVD.

MadasaHatter wrote:I saw Beauty and the Beast in theaters own the VHS and the DVD. This movie instantly became on of my all time favs and as a result I own a ton of B&B memorabilia including trading cards, a book of post cards and several lithographs from when the movie first came out and all of the pics I have are more accurately represented by the VHS than the DVD.

Exactly. Same here.

And no-one ever noticed any difference between all that material and the film itself back then.

But according to some people here, everything you own, stills, screenshots, theatre cards, memorabilia with shots from the film, the making of books, trading cards, lithographs, have ALL faded in the exact same way........yeah right.

It's also a coincidence that the BATB trailers on all the Disney dvd's look exactly like this, as they use the caps files for that.
(as well as the BATB clips in the PATF trailer, where belle has dark brown hair again, like the vhs, instead of red).

And it's not just about the colors, it's about the difference between a Disney classic look and a sequel look with no detail.

Take a look at this still image Disney released recently to promote the upcoming 3d theatrical re-release of the film. It loooks to me like the overly bright colors of the 2002 version will soon be a thing of the past. Sure this looks brighter than the 1991 version, but the colors are exactly the way they were intended to be. And Belle's hair is brown (gasp!) I noticed the original colors were also back in the Princess and the Frog trailer. Thank God.

Here it is: