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I can't help but feel that clumsy is such a lazy way to make a character more 3 dimensional. Clumsy isn't really a flaw as such.

Thankfully Anna was all in all better rounded than say Bella from you know what.
I'm also in the I prefer Elsa camp.

Atlantica wrote:
I think Anna is a great character and well voiced, but I don't view her as being any more relatable to any of the other princesses, which is what Anna has been pitched as. She is still extremely pretty, very slim and has a wonderful singing voice. I don't think having all three attributes make her relatable in the scale of what Disney / Bell has proclaimed her to be.

I have to disagree with you there Atlantica c: Out of all the Disney Princesses, it's Anna that I feel like I can relate too the most. Most of the past Disney Princesses, have been pretty calm, elegant, soft, gentle or the other extreme and powerful, ambitious, and physical.

Anna is that odd clumsy, klutzy girl, who is a bit of a of a Stepford Smiler and masks her sadness and loneliness with a outgoing energy. She's determined not to give in or give up, despite her having no idea what's she's even doing most of the time. She hides her tears and loneliness, like I do.

The writers have mentioned that one of the main reasons why she leaped so much to be with Hans, was because she was lonely and Hans saw that, and Hans also saw that she didn't think highly of herself either.

Anna is awkward and masks her pain, however her love for her sister Elsa brings her through, to overcome all her challenges. Anna is a little bit like Rapunzel, with the whole " awkwardness " though, they are different. I do agree that Elsa is the character that is easier to relate to though. Many people can relate to Elsa's desire to belong and not feel like a misfit, and even the desire to stay in within emotional closed doors.

I guess, as we've just shown thelittleursula, that it is down to personal opinion how relatable she is.

Agree to disagree

MeerkatKombat wrote:I can't help but feel that clumsy is such a lazy way to make a character more 3 dimensional. Clumsy isn't really a flaw as such.

Thankfully Anna was all in all better rounded than say Bella from you know what.
I'm also in the I prefer Elsa camp.

I'm slightly turned off from Anna - only because she reminds me of Rapunzel, which might be too soon for my tastes. But she does have her own charm, I'll admit.

And the cute clumsy girl is sooooo common in Japanese anime, particularly magical girl shows like Pretty Cure. But I digress.

Warm Regards wrote:

MeerkatKombat wrote:I can't help but feel that clumsy is such a lazy way to make a character more 3 dimensional. Clumsy isn't really a flaw as such.

Thankfully Anna was all in all better rounded than say Bella from you know what.
I'm also in the I prefer Elsa camp.

I'm slightly turned off from Anna - only because she reminds me of Rapunzel, which might be too soon for my tastes. But she does have her own charm, I'll admit.

And the cute clumsy girl is sooooo common in Japanese anime, particularly magical girl shows like Pretty Cure. But I digress.

You watch Pretty Cure I never thought I would find anyone else here who saw that show. I kind of wish it would be dubbed in English in America.

^ haha Pleasure to meet another fan. I think the first season was dubbed; I definitely remember hearing the English opening song.

To be honest, I am really behind on Doki Doki Precure. But from what I have seen, Mana / Cure Heart isn't too clumsy. I much prefer her over some of the other pink leaders. Except Cure Blossom; she's my favorite because she actually had issues talking to others. She's almost a damsel in how weak she initially is, but does try to better herself. I like characters like that, not all girls are like Rapunzel or Anna, awkward but extroverted and self-assured.

And I'll stop before I compare Elsa to Cure Moonlight...

thelittleursula wrote: Anna is that odd clumsy, klutzy girl, who is a bit of a of a Stepford Smiler and masks her sadness and loneliness with a outgoing energy. She's determined not to give in or give up, despite her having no idea what's she's even doing most of the time. She hides her tears and loneliness, like I do.

The writers have mentioned that one of the main reasons why she leaped so much to be with Hans, was because she was lonely and Hans saw that, and Hans also saw that she didn't think highly of herself either.

Anna is awkward and masks her pain, however her love for her sister Elsa brings her through, to overcome all her challenges. Anna is a little bit like Rapunzel, with the whole " awkwardness " though, they are different.

*spoilers here*
This is why I didn't hate Anna even when I expected to coming into the movie (because she initially seemed like another Rapunzel). She comes across much more lonely and broken than Rapunzel, strangely enough--or, rather, broken in a different way. Rapunzel's one contact (Gothel) results in a very toxic relationship for her, but she never acts or seems "lonely." She was mentally damaged by Gothel being her only human contact, but at least she had that relationship and Pascal. As far as we're shown, Anna had nobody growing up; her parents were dead, Elsa was always in her room, she wasn't allowed to go outside, she has no animal companion, and--unlike what you'd typically see in Disney movies--she doesn't even seem to have any relationship with the (most likely few) servants inside the castle. The hasty relationship with Hans is actually understandable in that context considering, after the ceremony, she most likely would have been trapped in the castle again. It's also why I believe it's best she and Kristoff end on a not-yet-married note.

This is why I find both Anna and Elsa very relatable. At the point the action in the movie takes place, both Anna and Elsa seem very desperate to break out of their isolation. The only real difference between them is that Elsa believes reaching out to others will lead to their pain, and she self-destructs; Anna, on the other hand, is too willing to reach out, to her detriment. They are both trapped by their isolation, and I believe this is something most people can relate to in this modern age. So many people, even when they're in the same house with someone else, are isolated from one another. Loneliness/lack of real social contact and communication is extremely common these days. Maybe just another reason why this movie took off so well?

Warm Regards wrote:^ haha Pleasure to meet another fan. I think the first season was dubbed; I definitely remember hearing the English opening song.

To be honest, I am really behind on Doki Doki Precure. But from what I have seen, Mana / Cure Heart isn't too clumsy. I much prefer her over some of the other pink leaders. Except Cure Blossom; she's my favorite because she actually had issues talking to others. She's almost a damsel in how weak she initially is, but does try to better herself. I like characters like that, not all girls are like Rapunzel or Anna, awkward but extroverted and self-assured.

And I'll stop before I compare Elsa to Cure Moonlight...

Now I am just imagining what name Elsa would have if she was a Pretty Cure. I could see her being called Cure Snow while Anna would be Cure Love. And yeah Pretty Cure Heartcatch was one of the best seasons to come out of the franchise. I can't wait to see how HappinessCharge Precure will be like.

MeerkatKombat wrote:I can't help but feel that clumsy is such a lazy way to make a character more 3 dimensional. Clumsy isn't really a flaw as such.

Thankfully Anna was all in all better rounded than say Bella from you know what.
I'm also in the I prefer Elsa camp.

It really is! Oooh see she's not a Mary Sue because OMG she bumps into stuff. I see all the time some stupid "flaw" added to a beautiful, perfect character to make them supposedly more relatable. But the 'flaw' is always something that doesn't matter. Like in Smallville, when they made Lana bad at waitressing...um ok. To me, a true flaw is one that has consequences, such as when Harry Potter's stubborn impulsiveness nearly got his friends killed and was almost the direct cause of his godfather's death. In Frozen, Anna's recklessness nearly gets both her and Kristoff killed multiple times. If you're going to give someone a flaw, make it matter, don't just put it there for the heck of it.

Disney's Divinity wrote:*spoilers here*
This is why I didn't hate Anna even when I expected to coming into the movie (because she initially seemed like another Rapunzel). She comes across much more lonely and broken than Rapunzel, strangely enough--or, rather, broken in a different way. Rapunzel's one contact (Gothel) results in a very toxic relationship for her, but she never acts or seems "lonely." She was mentally damaged by Gothel being her only human contact, but at least she had that relationship and Pascal. As far as we're shown, Anna had nobody growing up; her parents were dead, Elsa was always in her room, she wasn't allowed to go outside, she has no animal companion, and--unlike what you'd typically see in Disney movies--she doesn't even seem to have any relationship with the (most likely few) servants inside the castle. The hasty relationship with Hans is actually understandable in that context considering, after the ceremony, she most likely would have been trapped in the castle again. It's also why I believe it's best she and Kristoff end on a not-yet-married note.

Agree with you so much ^ c:

Not to mention Rapunzel *THINKS that she has her real Mother with her, that's cared for for her in her mind; so she's not really lonely or even depressed, she's just more bored and wants to go outside and explore, and confused on why the person that she loves the most, her Mother is locking her inside like a bird and won't let her go see the floating lights, and is being passive-agressive towards her. It's not till later, right close to the end where she realizes that her Mother is being abusive and not even her real Mom at all...

Anna, like you say, really has nobody. No pet, no friend, no parents, nobody. She grew up alone and pretends that everything is fine and she's alright, when it's not. Rapunzel did no pretending, no masking her pain, she just was desperate for adventure and confused.

Anna and Rapunzel are alike, but at the same time, not alike at all. Is Anna the best Disney Princess ever created ? No, but she is unique from the rest, she is different from Rapunzel, and imo she can be easy to relate too, like Elsa. In fact you can relate to all the Frozen human leads, even Hans and Kristoff. There is children/ teens/ young adults out there who have most likely grew up alone in the street, with only a friend or stray pet to keep them company, and there is people out there who has been sibling abused, and treated like a invisible ghost within the family. If you say that the Frozen lead cast of humans not counting Olaf & Sven are not developed enough and/ or not easy to relate too, sorry, gonna disagree with you there !

Disney's Divinity wrote: This is why I find both Anna and Elsa very relatable. At the point the action in the movie takes place, both Anna and Elsa seem very desperate to break out of their isolation. The only real difference between them is that Elsa believes reaching out to others will lead to their pain, and she self-destructs; Anna, on the other hand, is too willing to reach out, to her detriment. They are both trapped by their isolation, and I believe this is something most people can relate to in this modern age. So many people, even when they're in the same house with someone else, are isolated from one another. Loneliness/lack of real social contact and communication is extremely common these days. Maybe just another reason why this movie took off so well?

That and also fantastic soundtrack that managed to beat off the queen of pop more than once off the charts.

dollover wrote:

MeerkatKombat wrote:I can't help but feel that clumsy is such a lazy way to make a character more 3 dimensional. Clumsy isn't really a flaw as such.

Thankfully Anna was all in all better rounded than say Bella from you know what.
I'm also in the I prefer Elsa camp.

It really is! Oooh see she's not a Mary Sue because OMG she bumps into stuff. I see all the time some stupid "flaw" added to a beautiful, perfect character to make them supposedly more relatable. But the 'flaw' is always something that doesn't matter. Like in Smallville, when they made Lana bad at waitressing...um ok. To me, a true flaw is one that has consequences, such as when Harry Potter's stubborn impulsiveness nearly got his friends killed and was almost the direct cause of his godfather's death. In Frozen, Anna's recklessness nearly gets both her and Kristoff killed multiple times. If you're going to give someone a flaw, make it matter, don't just put it there for the heck of it.

Ugh! I hate Mary Sues, especially how lately mediocre writers on the Internet are claiming they're a figure of empowerment, that there should be more of them and it's sexism to call out a Mary Sue on writing. As a writer, the fact that these juvenile people prefer going the lazy way and explain it's an issue of "misogyny" how Mary Sues exist instead of improving their own writing skills just infuriates me. There are male Mary Sues, too.

I want relatable characters. Flawed characters. Characters that have good and bad points. Nobody likes a perfect super Jesus who beats the tar out of anyone and can own the universe if they wished.

Anna didn't grow up alone though did she? Her parents died two years before Elsa was crowned, so she had their love and affection all the way up until that point.

Atlantica wrote:Anna didn't grow up alone though did she? Her parents died two years before Elsa was crowned, so she had their love and affection all the way up until that point.

Elsa had their love as well. In fact, I am pretty sure they were the only ones who she confided in about her magic

The difference is that while Anna was able to hug them, etc., Elsa was too afraid to be physically intimate. You'll notice in some scenes, Elsa hugs herself when scared (the coronation) or sad (during Let It Go).

I don't know how far this desire to be close to someone went with Elsa. Was she "desperate to be loved" by someone else, but pragmatic/ cautious enough to push those thoughts aside? Because she definitely didn't display Anna's level of romanticism in the film, which makes me believe that much like hugging her parents, she felt she couldn't have it. Of course, Elsa's desire to be with Anna was greater than any romantic wants. With Anna, I think what happened is that her desire to be with Elsa was leaking into her desire to find a guy, which made her jump the gun, so to speak. Makes sense, I think; Elsa for most of her life was told to "conceal, don't feel", while Anna, while restricted, could be as impulsive as she pleased.

I just found this on Tumblr! How embarrassing!

http://sotiris2006.tumblr.com/image/75280802524

disneyprincess11 wrote:I just found this on Tumblr! How embarrassing!

http://sotiris2006.tumblr.com/image/75280802524

The Swedes like their sun and snow ship.

Look who's possibly interested in being in Frozen on Broadway?

Anna Kendrick ‏@AnnaKendrick47 35m

When and where are auditions for Broadway version of FROZEN? (am only interest in the role Olaf) pic.twitter.com/pvB5EtgNmI

disneyprincess11 wrote:Look who's possibly interested in being in Frozen on Broadway?

Anna Kendrick ‏@AnnaKendrick47 35m

When and where are auditions for Broadway version of FROZEN? (am only interest in the role Olaf) pic.twitter.com/pvB5EtgNmI

Anna Kendrick could be nice to play Anna. Won't that be a bit funny for Anna playing Anna?

Japanese movie version of "Let It Go":

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ1poicuB2s[/youtube]

(PS: Does anyone have the Hindi or Tamil versions? Just curious...)

Frozen won the Annie awards for:

Best Animated Feature
Directing in an Animated Feature Production
Music in an Animated Feature Production
Production Design in an Animated Feature Production
Voice Acting in an Animated Feature Production (Josh Gad)

Congrats Frozen!!!

taei wrote:Frozen won the Annie awards for:

Best Animated Feature
Directing in an Animated Feature Production
Music in an Animated Feature Production
Production Design in an Animated Feature Production
Voice Acting in an Animated Feature Production (Josh Gad)

Yes ! Well done ! Just now gotta get those Oscars !