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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:29 am
by yukitora
Heh, I used to think the exact same with as Escapay (except Aladdin is my #1 most hated Disney film) regarding Snow White's popularity seemingly due to it's legacy as the first Disney film.

Now I think it's a great film :lol: Why? Because I can change my mind oh-so-easily. Plus high-pitched voices never bothered me (I listen to a lot of Japanese music, so I'm used to it...)

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:52 am
by Jack Skellington
I think if they're gonna use the files for the IMAX version of BATB for Bluray, it will still have the brightness issue that everyone's annoyed about.

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:29 am
by yukitora
^Yeah, the article was really great in dealing with the issues of removing grain, making things look flat and whether or not they were going too far in their editing, it was as if they had read all of our complaints and addressed them in that article.

Then they mentioned that they were gonna use the IMAX version of BATB and a little part of me inside died :(

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:33 am
by UmbrellaFish
Eh, I like the film well enough... My major beef is Adriana Caselotti's voice. Not fun to listen to, at all... I hate saying that because I read one that she used to dress up as Snow White for the neighborhood kids and sing them songs from the movie at her little wishing well. And the woman who does Snow White's voice now, Melissa Disney, lived just a few doors down from her.

I respect the film for it's part in history, and I can enjoy it. None of Snow's optimism annoys me, actually. But the film just doesn't quite click with me. Not exactly.

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:48 am
by drfsupercenter
Yeah, I think Snow White is a good movie, but it's nowhere near the best DAC. As far as whoever said you don't like Aladdin... :x That's like my favorite of all of them.

And of course they're gonna screw up the colors on the next PE, that's what Disney lives for. :lol: I won't be the least bit surprised if Snow White turns into the next Cinderella.

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:53 am
by yukitora
drfsupercenter wrote:As far as whoever said you don't like Aladdin...
Muahahhaha.

Well, if someone explained to me why it is so great, maybe I'll like it :wink:

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:57 am
by jotaabs
yukitora wrote:
drfsupercenter wrote:As far as whoever said you don't like Aladdin...
Muahahhaha.

Well, if someone explained to me why it is so great, maybe I'll like it :wink:
I guess the story is quite good, but i think 3 things made Aladdin good: the animation style, the characters and the music.
I guess I don't turn off the tv while watching aladdin because the visuals are so stunning I keep standind in front of it.

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:12 am
by drfsupercenter
Yeah, that's pretty much it.

It has the amazing animation that was also in TLM, BatB, and TLK... and the music in Aladdin is, IMO, some of the best Disney music there is. Sure I like songs from Beauty and the Beast too (which is a close second on my list, in case you're curious), and songs from other movies, but something about Aladdin just makes it a great movie.

I guess, also, because it's different. It's a bit different from the Princess movies where a girl falls in love with a guy, they get married, and live happily after after. It has that unrealistic element of a genie with supernatural powers, etc... and that just makes it awesome.

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:18 am
by DisneyFreak5282
Escapay wrote:The film focuses too much on grabbing the audience through visuals and enjoyable moments that it results in the story being so mind-numbingly plain and the characters becoming nothing but caricatures of what could have been interesting and believable people. It's a gimmick movie. And amazingly, a lot of people fell for it.
Personally, I really enjoyed Snow White. But anyway, I think the whole point actually WAS to grab the audience through visuals. Think about it. It WAS Disney's first full-length animated feature film, so it makes sense that they would want to grab people's attention through the visuals to show what the artists were capable of at the time. That's just my two cents, though.

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:20 am
by PixarFan2006
I already have the original release from 2001, so I don't think I will be double-dipping this time (Unless I get it on Blu-Ray).

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:31 am
by PeterPanfan
I have no problem with Snow White, and actually enjoy watching it. :)

Snow White is a great film

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:36 am
by carolinakid
I love Snow White (one of my top 3 DAC) and I know people are entitled to their opinions, but I just never imagined Snow White would have so many detractors, especially among Disney lovers. :o I just believed the film would be universally loved by Disney fans. You learn somethin' every day... :wink:

Jon

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:46 am
by Mooky
Thomas J wrote:
yukitora wrote:Oh, you know what would be cool?

Leona Lewis.

:D
I LOVE her! That would be very cool, and it would be like the old Platinum Editions, where they had people like Jessica Simpson and Nick Lachey do a song. Not that I like them too much, but now it's always a Disney Channel star. Some of the songs they did were good, but some weren't at all.
I want Leona to sing PatF's main song!

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:02 pm
by Kossage
I'll be sure to buy Snow White on Blu-Ray. I missed out on the DVD when it first got released, and I'm not going to make the same mistake again.

I understand that some people don't like the film, and that's unfortunate, but we all have our opinions, and in any case it's always interesting to hear well thought out comments about any film. As for me, I enjoy Snow White as a film and not only because of its importance or nostalgia factor. It's a solid film and although some parts of it may seem outdated today, I feel they nevertheless work well in context.

Snow White's English voice has never annoyed me. Caselotti sounds quite distinct when compared to many later Disney films, but I nevertheless find her charming because it brings me back to the "old days" during which many people actually sang like that. It gives Snow White character and adds to the "timeless quality" of the film.

The animation is quite exquisite even today (there are some points where the animation isn't so smooth, but nevertheless the film as a whole is a marvellous experience to behold considering the time it was made in), and I generally like the mixing of gothic images and settings to a lush forest environment. These contrasts work very well for both providing the thrills and easing the audience's mind, and the film never leans too heavily on either direction.

The cast is quite memorable. Although Snow White herself might seem bland by today's standards, she's nevertheless a wonderful heroine of her time and gives us a very sweet image of a lonely girl who does what she can in a new environment, and the symbolism of her character is actually quite well thought out. Each of the dwarves is a distinct character, and even today it is amusing to watch the various personalities among the dwarves and their interaction with others.

The queen herself is a terrifying villain in both of her forms, and that voice gives me the creeps even today, and interestingly she too has depth as a character although these moments are somewhat subdued and can pass by unless one pays attention to her mannerisms in various places. The transformation sequence is pure gothic horror in mood and execution, and ditto for the dark defeat of the queen on the ledge. The prince is the blandest of the characters, but he nevertheless has some truly wonderful songs to sing, and he's a genuine knight in shining armour who comes and saves the day. The animals and the huntsman are also interesting characters, and particularly the cuteness of the animals is very heart-warming in a good way.

Although the story itself may seem cliched today, it was still not as beaten a trope back then as it is today. And even if it is an archetypal story of good vs. evil, it's still as entertaining today as it was back when it was first released. Although the story looks simple on the surface, there's actually a lot of things going on in a symbolic level (and this is generally the case in every animated film of Disney if one looks close enough). The Freudian and Jungian psychological themes are there with the figures of the queen, girl, terrifying experience in a dark wood, the whole heart in a chest thing, the dwarves, first love etc. Although there are saccharine parts that might annoy some people, I tolerate them and enjoy them because they act as "signposts" of an era gone by when things looked more innocent (as opposed to today's sarcastic tone in films like Shrek).

Then there's the thing I've always adored in every Disney film: music. Snow White is full of memorable and beautiful songs. Who can forget such instant classics as "One Song", "Heigh-Ho", and "Someday My Prince Will Come" among others? The vocal performances are spot on, and the songs help to tell the story in their clever ways. If only the queen had had a song; Disney tends to have great villain songs, and I wonder what the queen's song might've been like.

The underscore is crafted well too. There's lots of leitmotivic development, and many of the character and location themes are quite interesting in their instrumentalization. The "mickey-mousing" (using music to mimic movement etc. on screen) works well, and there are quite a few musical jokes hidden in the score (such as using instruments to produce laughter in musical form). The use of orchestra and choir works well and help to set the mood, and particularly the grand finale, when all these elements are combined, creates a truly stirring send-off as the film comes to an end. This ending, along with Pinocchio's "When You Wish Upon a Star" is sentimentally lush and thematically rich composing, and that's what Disney music is truly about.

So, all in all Snow White is definitely the classic as it is shown to be, and although it might not reach the levels of The Lion King or Bambi in my eyes, it's nevertheless a wonderful film to experience and a way to travel to that old-fashioned fairytale world where everything is fantastic and emotionally satisfying in its own sweet way. :)

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:58 pm
by stewie15
I have 2 things to say

first is that I remeber before SB came out people were saying how perfect the last restoration was and how bad the new one was gunna be. Now most are really liking the new restoration. I am hoping SW will be the same. Also I wanted to kill someone when the woman refered to disney's ruining BATB as fixing. There best be a original thatrical version on the new dvd or I have no idea what I am going to do.

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:43 am
by Neal
Can anyone explain why we're getting another SW 'platinum edition'? With Sleeping Beauty, the last one was called 'special edition' and the latest 'platinum edition' but has Disney really gotten so double-dipping happy they don't even re-name the release lines, anymore?

Seriously what's with Snow White Platinum Edition...again?!

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:05 am
by blackcauldron85
Neal wrote:Can anyone explain why we're getting another SW 'platinum edition'? With Sleeping Beauty, the last one was called 'special edition' and the latest 'platinum edition' but has Disney really gotten so double-dipping happy they don't even re-name the release lines, anymore?

Seriously what's with Snow White Platinum Edition...again?!
Well, the Platinum Edition line includes the 14 (or is it 15 now?) titles that sold the best on VHS. Snow White still is one of the top titles, as are the others that have already been released, so I guess Disney doesn't figure that its collection title should change. It may just be your average re-release, like, "Look what's been in the Disney Vault for almost 8 years"...Especially if the bonus features don't change much from the 2001 edition, Disney I guess doesn't see why they should change the collection name. Personally, I don't care that they're reusing the Platinum Edition banner...I mean, it doesn't really matter what they're called; Oliver and Company, for example, is called a 'Special Edition', when the bonus features are not very special at all.

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:49 pm
by daydreamer22010
Barbossa wrote:I missed the first three Platinums (Snow White, Beauty and the Beast, Lion King), as well as the Fantasia/Fantasia 2000 set, and I don't have Pinnochio .

me too!! i need those five dvds, and I will be blissfully happy.

:)

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:00 am
by gregmasciola
Neal wrote:Can anyone explain why we're getting another SW 'platinum edition'? With Sleeping Beauty, the last one was called 'special edition' and the latest 'platinum edition' but has Disney really gotten so double-dipping happy they don't even re-name the release lines, anymore?

Seriously what's with Snow White Platinum Edition...again?!
I totally agree with what blackcauldron said. Besides, would you rather have them release it as something like The Poison Apple Edition or The Magic Mirror Edition? :wink:

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:38 pm
by DisneyFreak5282
gregmasciola wrote:would you rather have them release it as something like The Poison Apple Edition or The Magic Mirror Edition? :wink:
Shh...don't give Disney any ideas! :wink: