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blackcauldron85 wrote:^ Thank you so much for posting that! So, they had quite a few consultants on this film; if any of them found Joe not being a human the whole time offensive, I'm sure they would have said something? That many people? Just like with TP&tF: I don't know how many consultants they had, but surely Oprah and the rest of the cast would have piped up if they found Tiana turning into a frog to be offensive...?

I'm really looking forward to seeing the film, whenever that actually will be!

Well Pocahontas had Native American consultants but many Native Americans were still displeased with how the film turned out. And even Oprah on Black Twitter gets a lot of flack from the Black community who feel she is a sellout and that she doesn't represent them. Oprah and Gayle King both because Gayle King got a lot of flack recently and even death threats.

JeanGreyForever wrote:

blackcauldron85 wrote:^ Thank you so much for posting that! So, they had quite a few consultants on this film; if any of them found Joe not being a human the whole time offensive, I'm sure they would have said something? That many people? Just like with TP&tF: I don't know how many consultants they had, but surely Oprah and the rest of the cast would have piped up if they found Tiana turning into a frog to be offensive...?

I'm really looking forward to seeing the film, whenever that actually will be!

Well Pocahontas had Native American consultants but many Native Americans were still displeased with how the film turned out. And even Oprah on Black Twitter gets a lot of flack from the Black community who feel she is a sellout and that she doesn't represent them. Oprah and Gayle King both because Gayle King got a lot of flack recently and even death threats.

I can't see why tive Americans were still displeased Pocahontas .

Seems just can't make everybody happy

If they hade Native American consultants it showa the studio ay least made an effort

I don't know why black Twitter would dislike Oprah !!!!!!

That's mystery

Do black have to hate whites ? or arn't they real blacks if they are very rich ?

I don't get and it makes a bit annoyed to be frank

What wrong with Frinedship between the races ?

Also some blacka apparently disliked Eartha Kitt back in the day which just make me sick since she is my all time favorite black celebrityEVER

Well, if it makes you feel any better, DisneyFan97, Twitter doesn't represent real life very well. It skews very young for one thing, and definitely doesn't represent what the majority of Black people seem to think going by recent election results here in the U.S. I've often thought the platform is aptly named because Twitter is full of twits. I doubt there's one person who's famous that isn't hated by someone on there for some (often inane) reason or another.

DisneyFan97 wrote:

JeanGreyForever wrote: Well Pocahontas had Native American consultants but many Native Americans were still displeased with how the film turned out. And even Oprah on Black Twitter gets a lot of flack from the Black community who feel she is a sellout and that she doesn't represent them. Oprah and Gayle King both because Gayle King got a lot of flack recently and even death threats.

I can't see why tive Americans were still displeased Pocahontas .

Seems just can't make everybody happy

If they hade Native American consultants it showa the studio ay least made an effort

I don't know why black Twitter would dislike Oprah !!!!!!

That's mystery

Do black have to hate whites ? or arn't they real blacks if they are very rich ?

I don't get and it makes a bit annoyed to be frank

What wrong with Frinedship between the races ?

Also some blacka apparently disliked Eartha Kitt back in the day which just make me sick since she is my all time favorite black celebrityEVER

Well, not all Native Americans were displeased. I used to read Native American reactions to Pocahontas on Tumblr and they were pretty split. About half felt they were glad that their culture was getting any representation at all especially at a Disney level and others felt this only further perpetuated stereotypes and myths about their culture and did more damage than good. Russell Means, the voice actor of Chief Powhatan, felt Pocahontas was the best film ever to showcase interactions between Native Americans and white settlers and also the most honest because it didn't hide away the white man's intentions to steal and plunder their land.

Well another criticism is that a lot of the Native Americans consulted for Pocahontas said that Disney basically decided that everything they were being told didn't fit in with the storyline they had in mind so Disney ignored them.

Black Twitter complains about Oprah because they feel she is a sellout who turned her back on the Black community after she became famous and only cares about white people. I personally don't really see that but I'm not Black so obviously my experience is going to be different from theirs so I am sure they have legitimate reasons to feel this way. They also attack her because of Gayle King, her best friend (and possibly partner). Gayle King did an interview a few months back about Kobe Bryant which was taken out of context and made it seem like she was just attacking him for his sexual harrassment. So they started attacking Gayle King on Twitter, saying she only lives to put down Black men and sent her death threats. Oprah defended Gayle saying Gayle is so worried that she's been walking around with full security because she so fears for her life, but they started to attack Oprah as well saying she is just as bad and doesn't care about the Black community. Then there were those weird and bizarre rumors that Oprah sells children to a sex-trafficking ring so I know Black Twitter attacked her for that as well saying Oprah is an awful human being who needs to be put down. Honestly I think a lot of the Oprah hate is just jealousy because of how successful she got.

I had no idea that Black people hated Eartha Kitt. She is an icon and she suffered so many tragedies in her own life so it's awful if even Black people were against her. Is it because she was the first Black woman to kiss a white man on TV? I know there was controversy over that but I'm not sure if the Black community also shunned her for that.

I guess any person can be hated for any reason, no matter who or how much of an actual good person they are.

Sammy Davis Jr too...and Bill Cosby(long before the rapist thing.) Alot of black entertainers back in the 60s got alot of flack from the AA community if they didn't speak out enough for civil rights and hung out in the wrong circles.

They also attack her because of Gayle King, her best friend (and possibly partner)

"partner" ? I had no idea Oprah could be gay... mind blown. I thought she was married?

Oh I didn't know about them. I know Hattie McDaniel got a lot of flack as well because it was felt she didn't do enough for civil rights either alongside the roles she played.

Apparently it's a bit of an open secret in Hollywood like Tom Cruise or John Travolta being gay. Oprah is not married but her official partner is Stedman Graham and they've been together for decades. However everyone says that Oprah's real lover is Gayle. When Oprah was thinking about running for president, the press would ask Stedman Graham if he knew what was on her mind and he would flat out say that the press should ask Gayle instead because she is closer to Oprah.

Some new book covers:


Souces:
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=pixar+soul&i ... nb_sb_noss
https://books.disney.com/book/soul-read ... ok-and-cd/
https://www.booktopia.com.au/soul-disne ... 72295.html

They look so creative and cool!

I especially like the cover for the Little Golden Book.

My only sure for the Eartha Kitt thing is the summary for her biography Confessions of a sex kitten on Goodreads or Maybe on in one of the reviews perhaps.
Here is a Link

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/547 ... Still_Here


Anyway i love Kitt She hade one of the most unique voices, was a great singers , fantastic actress and gay rights support.

R.I.P. Eartha Kitt

I didn't know Earha Kitt was a gay rights supporter. I love her even more now!

I didn't know that either. Love her even more now! I heard she was also blacklisted by Hollywood for a long time because she spoke out against the Vietnam War.

I heard that too. And that makes her even more awesome! She was invited to a dinner at the White House and said, I believe right to the president, how could he keep sending "our black boys" over to Vietnam?

Wow, she's such an icon in so many more ways than one! I still remember how all her life she wanted to know the identity of her birth father who was white. Towards the end of her life, Eartha Kitt and her daughter finally found her birth certificate but the father's name had been censored on it so that was such a blow to her that she would never find out the truth. So heartbreaking.

That is heartbreaking!

Given how the release schedule has been thrown out of whack for the "Mulan" remake, as well as the "Star Wars" and "Avatar" sequels, how will this affect "Soul", as well as "Raya"? I know that "Soul" has been rescheduled to November and "Raya" to next spring, but wouldn't the impact of "Mulan"'s schedule have a chain reaction effect on the animated movies as well? I've heard a lot about the live-action output, but nothing about animated films.

Animated films have always been released in June and November and sometimes March, so I don't think it has an effect on Soul or any animated film. It can be released in March with three weeks gap from Raya just like it was supposed to with Onward. However, I do think that Soul might be postponed and that will make an inconvenience with the animated films.

farerb wrote:Animated films have always been released in June and November and sometimes March, so I don't think it has an effect on Soul or any animated film. It can be released in March with three weeks gap from Raya just like it was supposed to with Onward. However, I do think that Soul might be postponed and that will make an inconvenience with the animated films.

Well, I haven't heard anything about "Soul" being impacted by "Mulan", which is why I was asking here. Also, I'm guessing (hoping, maybe) that "Soul" will stick to its release schedule, but just go straight to Disney Plus, like what happened to "Onward" after its aborted theater run.

Although, this brings up a new question: if an animated movie were to go straight to Disney Plus and not be released in theaters, does that make it part of the official movie canon (either Disney or Pixar)? Or is just treated as secondary, like a direct-to-video release?

^ I would imagine that a movie like Soul, that was always 100% created with the intention of going to theaters, would be in the canon. It brings up the question, though, if studios decide to premiere their films via streaming: How to differentiate something like The Lion King vs. The Lion King 1 1/2, for example. Or does Disney even care to differentiate things like that, since DisneyToons and Pixar Canada are no more...