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qindarka wrote:

DisneyEra wrote: Pocahontas grossed $346,079,773 worldwide & won 2 oscars for song & score. If that's a failure I wonder what success is.

I mean in terms of critical reception and public perception. It's RT rating is around the mid 50s compared to the other Renaissance movies which consistently achieved scores of 80-90. Its public perception is even worse, as reflected by its extraordinarily low score of 6.3 on IMDB. Most people who discuss Disney animated movies on the internet don't have a good word to say about it, it is regularly thrashed. The lower box-office earnings of the subsequent two films may also have been a result of disappointment in Pocahontas among other factors.

Sometimes I feel like one of 50 people who actually like it.

I know. But did these people say how historically innaccurate it is? Cuz I wouldnt go to hollywood for historical accuracy. Even Assassin's Creed, though they get events right, would've had a problem with her age if they tried to do pocahontas' era. That's partly why they age everyone the hollywood way(in terms of casting).

ajmrowland wrote:
I know. But did these people say how historically innaccurate it is? Cuz I wouldnt go to hollywood for historical accuracy. Even Assassin's Creed, though they get events right, would've had a problem with her age if they tried to do pocahontas' era. That's partly why they age everyone the hollywood way(in terms of casting).

It is a common complaint about the film but by no means the only one.

They do have a point however. Butchering source material is one thing but portraying historical events inaccurately can easily be perceived as disrespectful. I don't think Disney's Pocahontas was malicious and within the film itself, the native Americans weren't portrayed badly but perhaps they shouldn't have done that at all, or at least changed the names of Pocahontas, John Smith and Powhattan.

Of course, this has nothing to do with Frozen and the comparisons to Pocahontas on that basis are baffling.

SWillie! wrote:Didn't mean to offend, Duster. That's just how I talk. Sorry if it made you uncomfortable.

It's okay it's just, well it's what I said it was and if you choose not to want to do that I can't do anything about it.

qindarka wrote:The lower box-office earnings of the subsequent two films may also have been a result of disappointment in Pocahontas among other factors.

I'm surprised most people don't think of earnings as somewhat reflective of what comes before and after. It's the main reason I wouldn't have expected WIR to flop, mainly because it came after Tangled. I think people are less likely to give their next film a chance if they didn't like the one they saw last.

Of course, there are exceptions.

Nah, they were already well prepared to write it off beforehand based on the switch to CG and the unfaithfulness to the source material which has suddenly become everyone's favorite fairy tale.

That was me! Don't like either of those. The story changes would've still bothered me before the format was changed and Menken was booted though.

And, like I said above, I don't expect this to flop coming off WIR, since so far that's been well-received.

HEY ! Just been on Robbert Lopez twiter an he's talking about the movie with someone !

Elizabeth Garland @THE_LizGarland 4j
@lopezbobby what are the updates on "Frozen"? Any hints? So excited to see this film!
Voir les détails ·

Robert Lopez
@lopezbobby
@THE_LizGarland oh man I wish I could, we are having so much fun working on it and I think it'll be amazing.
12:14am Jeu Nov 15

Oh, that's great news hey! LOL!! I could have said the same thing Edthehyena and I agree with him, lol (just teasing you...)!!

I don't get the joke or even the tease.
My only point is that the composer himself seems still confident and enthousiastic about the quality of the forthcoming movie. He thinks it's going to be AMAZING. That's encouraging. Bye.

I was joking because this is not great news neither interesting : of course the composer says it's fun and amazing! Do you really think he would have said something else?

So, somebody who went to the D23 expo actually remembered the tune of "Let it Go," and sang a short cover of a snippet of the song during a podcast. It's obviously a very rough take on what an audience member heard, and there's apparently a line missing, but I could still totally hear Idina singing it.

http://disneyfrozen.tumblr.com/post/361 ... ong-let-it

Tangled wrote:So, somebody who went to the D23 expo actually remembered the tune of "Let it Go," and sang a short cover of a snippet of the song during a podcast. It's obviously a very rough take on what an audience member heard, and there's apparently a line missing, but I could still totally hear Idina singing it.

http://disneyfrozen.tumblr.com/post/361 ... ong-let-it

Ok I'm freaking out at this moment....
A moment ago I was thinking in those lyrics, and thinking how great it will be if anyone who attended at the Destination D could record that lyrics... now this xD
Thanks for the link!

BTW pardon my horrible english X(

Prince Kido wrote:I was joking because this is not great news neither interesting : of course the composer says it's fun and amazing! Do you really think he would have said something else?

You're so right. Thanx for enlighting my vacuity. You win.

@Tangled-Thanks so much! It sounds great!

Tangled wrote:So, somebody who went to the D23 expo actually remembered the tune of "Let it Go," and sang a short cover of a snippet of the song during a podcast. It's obviously a very rough take on what an audience member heard, and there's apparently a line missing, but I could still totally hear Idina singing it.

http://disneyfrozen.tumblr.com/post/361 ... ong-let-it

Wow, the song didn't sounded bad at all.

I found the snippet mediocre and unmemorable. Of course, I will reserve judgement until I listen to the actual song in full.

Sotiris wrote:I found the snippet mediocre and unmemorable. Of course, I will reserve judgement until I listen to the actual song in full.

I didn't even bother to listen to it. Seriously, is this how desperate we are now? Listening to an amateur who was in attendance of the presentation sing a song from the film (probably in some rough form) from memory?

That's not even entertaining the possibility that she made it all up.

Good Lord.

PatrickvD wrote:Seriously, is this how desperate we are now?

Yes.

PatrickvD wrote: I didn't even bother to listen to it. Seriously, is this how desperate we are now? Listening to an amateur who was in attendance of the presentation sing a song from the film (probably in some rough form) from memory?

I'm not desperate and I still listened to it, just of curiosity.

Well I'm desperate xD
With lower level of desperation I had waiting for Rapunzel, but very similar
I really appreciate the podcast of these girls, giving the fact we have nothing "official" from Disney...

Btw, I can't wait for the Annecy film festival =D I hope they show a lot of things!!
(I went this year, and Disney showed the full first scene of Wreck-it Ralph, the whole Paperman short and two making of (one of them with Glen Keane footage); and Pixar showed the first half hour of Brave so, I have great expectations for a Frozen presentation =D)

PatrickvD wrote:

Sotiris wrote:I found the snippet mediocre and unmemorable. Of course, I will reserve judgement until I listen to the actual song in full.

I didn't even bother to listen to it. Seriously, is this how desperate we are now? Listening to an amateur who was in attendance of the presentation sing a song from the film (probably in some rough form) from memory?

That's not even entertaining the possibility that she made it all up.

Good Lord.

Unfortunately, that's the case! I said it before: Frozen is the most secretive film in the history of the Disney animated canon! I have been following Disney films yearly since Tarzan, & I have NEVER seen a film as closely guarded as Frozen! You go back to November 2009, They had concept art images, even a pic of a fully rendered cgi Rapunzel out. Go back to November of last year, they had fully rendered cgi images of Felix & Vanellope, even the Fix-it Felix arcade game was shown! Here we are, about year from Frozen's release & what do they have: a pooly low-res pencil sketch of Anna & Elsa! The only complete character we have seen is Olaf, & that we could have done without. I guarantee you won't see this with Big Hero 6. Images for that film should be out by Comic Con & D23 next summer, a year & a half before it's release! They clearly have images to show last August, but they showed them only to a payed audience behind closed doors, no camera's allowed! It's clear there's something about Frozen that the executives at Disney are worried about. Question is, how much longer are they gonna keep images of this film away from their loyal fans

DisneyEra wrote:

PatrickvD wrote: I didn't even bother to listen to it. Seriously, is this how desperate we are now? Listening to an amateur who was in attendance of the presentation sing a song from the film (probably in some rough form) from memory?

That's not even entertaining the possibility that she made it all up.

Good Lord.

Unfortunately, that's the case! I said it before: Frozen is the most secretive film in the history of the Disney animated canon! I have been following Disney films yearly since Tarzan, & I have NEVER seen a film as closely guarded as Frozen! You go back to November 2009, They had concept art images, even a pic of a fully rendered cgi Rapunzel out. Go back to November of last year, they had fully rendered cgi images of Felix & Vanellope, even the Fix-it Felix arcade game was shown! Here we are, about year from Frozen's release & what do they have: a pooly low-res pencil sketch of Anna & Elsa! The only complete character we have seen is Olaf, & that we could have done without. I guarantee you won't see this with Big Hero 6. Images for that film should be out by Comic Con & D23 next summer, a year & a half before it's release! They clearly have images to show last August, but they showed them only to a payed audience behind closed doors, no camera's allowed! It's clear there's something about Frozen that the executives at Disney are worried about. Question is, how much longer are they gonna keep images of this film away from their loyal fans

Don't read too much into that. I doubt Disney are worried about it. The reception from those who did go to Destination D a few months ago were very positive. Blue Sky Disney and Jim Hill (though I've read that he can be unreliable) are also pretty big on it.