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I'm excited. I think Pixar have made an interesting choice of writers too, I'm a fan of Rashida Jones as an actress and Michael Arndt will be a hard act to follow. I like the Pixar slate, can't wait for Inside Out and then there's an interesting mix of original films and sequels to follow.

Presumably Cars 3 is on the back-burner if Lasseter is directing Toy Story 4, unless he's passed directing duties onto someone else.

I'm more concerned with Lasseter being the sole director on TS4. I no longer trust him in the director's seat.

The shorts weren't enough, Pixar?

Ugh, I don't want them to butcher the story...

"Toy Story 3 ended Woody and Buzz’s story with Andy so perfectly that for a long time, we never even talked about doing another Toy Story movie," Lasseter added.

They were talking about a fourth one before the third one even premiered!

February 13th, 2010

But wait, there’s more – lots of rumbles of internecine squabbling at Pixar, possible troubles with Cars 2, the studio’s noticeable new reliance on sequels, and then today I hear the following words for the first time: Toy Story 4.

Source: http://progresscityusa.com/2010/02/13/m ... like-this/

Disney's Divinity wrote:Well, from my perspective, Cars 2 sucked because Cars sucked. TS2 and TS3 were great because TS was great. There's always the possibility they'll stumble, but I don't expect a trainwreck whatever happens.

Oh please, enough with the bashing of "Cars 2"! No offense, but I'm honestly tired of the constant slamming on "Cars 2", when it wasn't really that bad. Personal preference of course, but it could have been much, much worse than it was. Of course I liked it because that I liked the first "Cars" and while I'll admit that "Cars 2" is less sophisticated and more kid-oriented compared to other Pixar films, it wasn't really that bad.

I apologize if I seemed hostile, but I'm so tired of the "Cars 2" haters.

DisneyFan09 wrote:

Disney's Divinity wrote:Well, from my perspective, Cars 2 sucked because Cars sucked. TS2 and TS3 were great because TS was great. There's always the possibility they'll stumble, but I don't expect a trainwreck whatever happens.

Oh please, enough with the bashing of "Cars 2"! No offense, but I'm honestly tired of the constant slamming on "Cars 2", when it wasn't really that bad. Personal preference of course, but it could have been much, much worse than it was. Of course I liked it because that I liked the first "Cars" and while I'll admit that "Cars 2" is less sophisticated and more kid-oriented compared to other Pixar films, it wasn't really that bad.

If you're saying "it wasn't that bad", then yeah...

I apologize if I seemed hostile, but I'm so tired of the "Cars 2" haters.

I highly doubt the sincerity of this "apology", but this is why people did not want Pixar making sequels in the first place. No one wanted to fall into that trap where we're now discussing the films they shouldn't have made.

Continuing coverage and some details on the plot:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la ... story.html

"A lot of people in the industry view us doing sequels as being for the business of it, but for us it's pure passion," said Lasseter, who directed the first two "Toy Story" films. "We only make sequels when we have a story that's as good as or better than the original.

"We don't just, because of the success of a film, automatically say we're going to do a sequel and then figure out what we're going to do."


He's right. Most of time, we tend to forget about that side of making sequels (or any/standalone film for that matter).

I'll be in the dark about this for awhile though, but if the final product is good, count me in.

And when you think about it, there hasn't been a bad sequel from Pixar yet so why complain now?

John cant expect a comment like that to hold much weight or else cars 2 wouldnt have happened. And arguably monsters University. Even though I did like that one, I dont see too many that think it topped the original.

Oh goodness, this feels like really disappointing news. The trilogy are so perfect, and the shorts too…I just don't see what they can keep on doing.

And echoing sentiments on here, I don't believe a thing Lasseter says anymore. Remotely.

It ended so perfectly....
I'll still see it because it's Toy Story and the other three films have been very good to Pixar's credit. I hope TS4 holds to the same high standards and doesn't make me regret its existence. However good it ends up being, it ultimately wasn't needed.

Thankfully, Incredibles 2 is in production but that feels like it had somewhere to go.
Sequels are what nearly killed the Disney animation department and now Pixar are doing it to themselves. Pixar must be long out of original ideas, that or the money for churning out sequels to already established and beloved franchises was just too tempting.

Semaj wrote:this is why people did not want Pixar making sequels in the first place. No one wanted to fall into that trap where we're now discussing the films they shouldn't have made.

Amen.

Sequels are part of the movie business now (just look at 2013's box office) but Toy Story is one of the only movie trilogies with three highly respected and successful films. They're ABSOLUTELY going to ruin its reputation. I'm sorry, as much as I love the characters I do NOT want to see more of them anymore outside of random shorts. We got a fully completed and perfect story arc and I can't think of anything that will be original enough to seem fresh.

Even Toy Story 3's success was based partly on nostalgia, and it was real nostalgia since it came out 11 years after Toy Story 2 and a lot of the kids who grew up watching it had grown up just like Andy. This will be forced and annoying. But they don't give a shit about that. They just want the easy buck, which would be fine if their other films were actually SUFFERING financially but they're not.

Disney has officially eclipsed Pixar in terms of quality again. I'm not as annoyed with them having sequels on the horizon because they're kind of untested for WDAS proper.

I'm sure this movie will be great. If they managed to overcome the "disappointing third instalment" syndrome, it's definitely possible for Pixar to make a wonderful fourth movie.

The only thing I find bothersome is not the potential quality of making a fourth Toy Story. It's that after next year's two original properties, all of Pixar's officially announced slate consists of sequels. Finding Dory, Cars 2, The Incredibles 2 and Toy Story 4 are all we are apparently getting from Pixar from 2016 to 2018 or 2019. There was that Dia de los Muertos movie they announced ages ago, but I haven't heard anything about it in years and the possibility is high of being on hiatus. And it's not like their original movies have done disappointing numbers, so they have to resort to proven properties to keep them afloat. All of their movies are huge hits.

I feel the concern is that Pixar has exhausted all extensive narrative possibilities, and thus another sequel is purely milking. Let's think about it:

Toy Story 1 addresses the rivalry toys feel for a child's affection.

Toy Story 2 addresses the choice between being a collectable with infinite lifespan versus being a child's toy with a limited time of use.

Toy Story 3 addresses what the growing up process is like from the toys point of view.

What on Earth could Toy Story 4 address that couldn't be done in a 5 minute short? Woody gets lonely and sets a quest to find Bo Peep, or gets another love interest? (Well, okay, that could be kinda cute...)

But I really can't wrap my head around much else another sequel could answer or resolve.

Warm Regards wrote:I feel the concern is that Pixar has exhausted all extensive narrative possibilities, and thus another sequel is purely milking. Let's think about it:

Toy Story 1 addresses the rivalry toys feel for a child's affection.

Toy Story 2 addresses the choice between being a collectable with infinite lifespan versus being a child's toy with a limited time of use.

Toy Story 3 addresses what the growing up process is like from the toys point of view.

Well, actually, I'd argue that TS2 and TS3 were already very similar thematically, and even in narrative structure. The only reason I don't complain much about it is because TS3 was just so good, and it had the perfect ending to close off the series.

Like most here, I was pretty disappointed in this news, even though I know I'll be there opening weekend (haha...).Personally, I think it'll have to blow the previous three movies out of the water and do something really new with the series to justify its existence, and that's a tall order considering the quality of the original trilogy.

Well just wait and see, maybe they've really come up with a good story, I wait for the reviews. On the other hand, I cannot see how this can be something much else than a rehash of Toy Story 1 or 2.

I'd personally rather see more Toy Story than more Cars and Planes....

But what I'd REALLY like is some focus on movies that haven't had sequels yet. Bugs Life, Brave... and still waiting for those Incredibles and Finding Nemo sequels, of course.

There are definitely a lot of arguments to be made either for OR against a fourth Toy Story.

The first three really are all amazing movies, and Toy Story 3 really did have perfect closure to the characters.

However, the shorts and specials that we've gotten have all been pretty good too. So who knows? Maybe there's more life left in these characters for an entire fourth movie after all. I'll remain cautiously optimistic.

Soooo, they're butchering the perfect ending for a love story

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la ... ?track=rss

I'm surprised so many people are upset at the news. I've always seen Toy Story as Pixar's Winnie the Pooh, which is another property where I never get tired of seeing more. And, really, I've never been against sequels when they're given attention/quality/respect. I expect Toy Story 4, The Incredibles 2, and Finding Dory to all receive positive reception, tbh. The only misfire so far for me has been Monsters University (since, like I said, expectations for Cars 2 weren't high anyway).

Semaj wrote: No one wanted to fall into that trap where we're now discussing the films they shouldn't have made.

I believe that was inevitable anyway. To be honest, this whole conversation assumes that their original films will always be/always have been "good." I think most would agree they broke that trend with Brave and Cars (and I would say several of their other films are not as good as they've been made out to be, but that's just my opinion). Moreover, comparing this to what Disney was doing with their crappy, disrespectful, DtV sequels seems like a mistake.