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PatrickvD wrote:well, Musker and Clements are still scheduled to start work on their next film sometime in the spring when they return from their promotional tour in Europe for The Princess and the Frog.

Whether that is a CG film or a hand drawn one is anyone's guess though.

I'm pretty sure it'll be hand-drawn. Anything that John and Ron did was hand-drawn. Besides, whatever this secret project of theirs is must be something cool. I learned of it through a friend of mine.

I'm very disappointed that Snow Queen is shelved! It was the most interesting movie...

Disney Jedi, what sort of movie will be the next Ron Clements & John Musker movie? I hope it will be a new movie with human characters and not another animal movie...

Disney can't do ANYTHING right can they?

They screwed up their home video releases.
They screwed up Princess and the Frog's marketing.
They screwed up analyzing why it went wrong.
Now they're screwing with Rapunzel's name, Alice in Wonderland's theatrical release, the future of 2D animation at Disney & looks like they are starting to rub off on Pixar with the possible death of newt.

WDWLocal, don't even reply to me, just don't.

Snow White wrote:I'm very disappointed that Snow Queen is shelved! It was the most interesting movie...

Disney Jedi, what sort of movie will be the next Ron Clements & John Musker movie? I hope it will be a new movie with human characters and not another animal movie...

Honestly, I'm not sure. Ron Clements and John Musker are doing another possible hand-drawn project. That's all I know.

The article mentions that with the recently shelving of films, artists are moving elsewhere...and in the comments, Lasseter is blamed by one person (but another said that it's not his fault), how this has happened in the past, and that it'll take a while for Disney's brand to get stronger.

http://blueskydisney.blogspot.com/2010/02/exodus.html

I think that, as a Disney fan, it sucks that artists need to go to other studios (especially DreamWorks), but they have to put food on the table and pay the bills, so I definitely can't blame them (I applied to Universal a couple weeks ago, and in the past, too, so I can understand).

It'll be interesting (is that the right word? Or "frustrating"?) to see what Disney does with it's animation department. I mean, what's coming after Pooh? Anything? Will they decide to stop animation and just let Pixar do its thing? (Would Lasseter like that? I can't answer that, since I have conflicting thoughts on the matter.) Thoughts?

*edit from when I typed this in Notepad*

DisneyJedi wrote:Ron Clements and John Musker are doing another possible hand-drawn project. That's all I know.

Let's hope that that doesn't get shelved, too.

blackcauldron85 wrote:The article mentions that with the recently shelving of films, artists are moving elsewhere...and in the comments, Lasseter is blamed by one person (but another said that it's not his fault), how this has happened in the past, and that it'll take a while for Disney's brand to get stronger.

http://blueskydisney.blogspot.com/2010/02/exodus.html

I think that, as a Disney fan, it sucks that artists need to go to other studios (especially DreamWorks), but they have to put food on the table and pay the bills, so I definitely can't blame them (I applied to Universal a couple weeks ago, and in the past, too, so I can understand).

It'll be interesting (is that the right word? Or "frustrating"?) to see what Disney does with it's animation department. I mean, what's coming after Pooh? Anything? Will they decide to stop animation and just let Pixar do its thing? (Would Lasseter like that? I can't answer that, since I have conflicting thoughts on the matter.) Thoughts?

*edit from when I typed this in Notepad*

DisneyJedi wrote:Ron Clements and John Musker are doing another possible hand-drawn project. That's all I know.

Let's hope that that doesn't get shelved, too.

I have to agree with one of the comments on there saying that the damage that Disney has already done to itself is what's making recovery a somewhat failure. I do have a feeling that if WDAS does fail then everything WILL be left in the hands of Pixar's people. I havent decided if this is a good or bad thing yet. And I'm rather surprised that animators are switching over to Dreamworks instead of over to Pixar (I'm thinking Pixar's more strict about who they hire). I dont believe that all storytelling should be entirely left in John Lassester's hands however.

And I'm pretty convinced that had Disney not bought Pixar when they did then the entire Walt Disney Company would've announced bankruptcy at this point.

I dont think it's gonna hurt Disney to promotoe new animation directors instead of depending on the same ones constantly. I'd like to see a project where Ron and John and Lasseter are all advisors. I had an idea earlier of mixing Pixar and WDAS animators to work on projects together.

Now regarding Snow Queen: Have we considered taking a deep breath and thinking "well, if the story problems really ARE serious, then maybe it should be shelved for a while?" Cuz that's seriously how I see it. It's not gonna mean that they're NEVER gonna do the Snow Queen. It just means that they're stuck and now would not be a good time to rush and cram on a project. (Remember, it took about 40-50 years for Beauty and the Beast to finally be made after being shelved numerous times.) I'd rather they shelve it now and come back to it later then rush the story and everything into production. A good story takes years to work out. With all the other projects going on and only one studio doing everything right now, Rapunzel is gonna be Disney's first film of concern. They can go back to Snow Queen once they feel a little more confident that they can fix the problems with this film.

Btw, I had been very concerned about Disney producing nothing but fairytales for their little "renaissance" and I knew it was gonna come back and bite them in the you-know-where.

toonaspie wrote:I had an idea earlier of mixing Pixar and WDAS animators to work on projects together.

Like a joint presentation from both studios? Wow, that kind of blows my mind...neat idea, though!

toonaspie wrote:Now regarding Snow Queen: Have we considered taking a deep breath and thinking "well, if the story problems really ARE serious, then maybe it should be shelved for a while?"

That's a really good point. I think, at least for me, especially since [i[King of the Elves[/i] also got shelved, it's like, are all of their movies going to be shelved and they have nothing to work on? But, at the same time, we don't know that they don't have others in production that we just don't know about (I mean, a week or two ago in some thread I posted about The Velveteen Rabbit- Disney can keep secrets if they want to!). I just don't want to see WDFA become no more.

blackcauldron85 wrote: I just don't want to see WDFA become no more.

You and me both. The last thing ANY of us want is for Disney to go bankrupt and close down its studios as a last result.

March 02, 2010

Steve Hulett wrote:A story person related: "The main lot decided now was not the right time for another Princess movie, which is what they considered Snow Queen to be. That's why it was put aside. John Lasseter hopes at some point it can still get made"

And nobody I talked to knows how many hand-drawn projects (if any) will be happening after Winnie the Pooh wraps up the end of the year.

"There's several people working on projects to pitch, but so far nothing's been greenlit. Chris Buck is working on another feature idea [after Snow Queen], but that's going to be CGI".

Source: http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/ ... a-hat.html

blackcauldron85 wrote:I mean, what's coming after Pooh? Anything? Will they decide to stop animation and just let Pixar do its thing?

Well, after Winnie the Pooh, we'll probably get Joe Jump (a CGI film) since it is still in development.

I'm not afraid of the future of CGI films in WDAS but of hand-drawn. If a CGI film underperforms, they will blame everything else BUT the medium (and hence continue making more CGI films). If a hand-drawn film underperforms, they will instantly BLAME the medium (and therefore stop producing any more).

That sort of logic at Disney is bewildering.

toonaspie wrote:
I have to agree with one of the comments on there saying that the damage that Disney has already done to itself is what's making recovery a somewhat failure. I do have a feeling that if WDAS does fail then everything WILL be left in the hands of Pixar's people. I havent decided if this is a good or bad thing yet. And I'm rather surprised that animators are switching over to Dreamworks instead of over to Pixar (I'm thinking Pixar's more strict about who they hire).

And I'm pretty convinced that had Disney not bought Pixar when they did then the entire Walt Disney Company would've announced bankruptcy at this point.

I dont think it's gonna hurt Disney to promotoe new animation directors instead of depending on the same ones constantly. I'd like to see a project where Ron and John and Lasseter are all advisors. I had an idea earlier of mixing Pixar and WDAS animators to work on projects together.

Now regarding Snow Queen: Have we considered taking a deep breath and thinking "well, if the story problems really ARE serious, then maybe it should be shelved for a while?" Cuz that's seriously how I see it. It's not gonna mean that they're NEVER gonna do the Snow Queen. It just means that they're stuck and now would not be a good time to rush and cram on a project. (Remember, it took about 40-50 years for Beauty and the Beast to finally be made after being shelved numerous times.) I'd rather they shelve it now and come back to it later then rush the story and everything into production. A good story takes years to work out. With all the other projects going on and only one studio doing everything right now, Rapunzel is gonna be Disney's first film of concern. They can go back to Snow Queen once they feel a little more confident that they can fix the problems with this film.

I agree. Everyone needs to take a deep breath and chill out.

blackcauldron85 wrote: I just don't want to see WDFA become no more.

That won't happen. Times can be dark, but that doesn't mean it's the end. Let's just hope that a good period will come in the future.

I personally think that Disney won't have the "renaissance" everyone wants... Not saying that they won't have a period of good films, but when I think of the 90's or the 50's or anything like those periods, I think of Disney as being at the forefront of the competition. I could only talk about the 90's since it's the only period I have experience with, but in those days, although there were other animation companies, Disney was top-notch. When you thought animation, you thought of Disney right away. Today, although I'm sure Disney will make great movies, there are so many other companies out there that don't seem to be finishing off anytime soon. And quite frankly, I enjoy those movies too, not all, but some. I would really like Disney to become the leader of the pack again, but I think there's a slim chance it will. I think people are putting too much pressure on Disney to become this great animation studio it once was, whereas it's probably a lot harder to do that this day in age.

Either way I think we should be hearing anytime soon about a new project, because unless they're planning to release their next film in a while, these things do take time to make.

sotiris2006 wrote:Well, after Winnie the Pooh, we'll probably get Joe Jump (a CGI film) since it is still in development.

Oh, yes, I somehow forgot about that!

Babaloo wrote:I think people are putting too much pressure on Disney to become this great animation studio it once was, whereas it's probably a lot harder to do that this day in age.

Why are they considered to not be a great animation studio anymore?

blackcauldron85 wrote:Why are they considered to not be a great animation studio anymore?

I didn't mean that they're not a great animation studio. They're amazing! That's why I like Disney...but what I meant was that back in the day Disney was top and obviously that isn't as true right now. There are other animation companies that are doing equally as well at this moment. They're movies might not be as great in story and other things, and they might not have the same fanbase Disney has, but it just seems that when you think new animation now, Dinsey can't really be pinpointed as top, since people tend to like everything else as well. I love Disney, but that's just my personal opinion.

Babaloo wrote: but what I meant was that back in the day Disney was top and obviously that isn't as true right now. There are other animation companies that are doing equally as well at this moment. They're movies might not be as great in story and other things, and they might not have the same fanbase Disney has, but it just seems that when you think new animation now, Dinsey can't really be pinpointed as top, since people tend to like everything else as well.

But why aren't they top now? Does it all come back to marketing? I mean, one could say, "Oh, the movies in the past decade, except for one or two, didn't do very well," but those movies are still amazing. Can we really blame the cheapquels for Disney not being considered one of the great animation studios anymore?

blackcauldron85 wrote:

Babaloo wrote: but what I meant was that back in the day Disney was top and obviously that isn't as true right now. There are other animation companies that are doing equally as well at this moment. They're movies might not be as great in story and other things, and they might not have the same fanbase Disney has, but it just seems that when you think new animation now, Dinsey can't really be pinpointed as top, since people tend to like everything else as well.

But why aren't they top now? Does it all come back to marketing? I mean, one could say, "Oh, the movies in the past decade, except for one or two, didn't do very well," but those movies are still amazing. Can we really blame the cheapquels for Disney not being considered one of the great animation studios anymore?

I think you should put the blame on Mame!

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EDIT: I have it up.

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too passionate?

Am I a loner on this? be honest