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Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:28 am
by Vlad
I just love the visuals in the teaser so much. And I love the fact that they didn't change Ariel too much in the movie. Her mermaid tail is phenomenal, I can't wait to see more footage.

Also, managed to watch the leaked "Part of your world" footage, and it's so beautiful. Halle's performance is great, too. There's that one part where she's singing "Wanderin' free, wish I could be part of that world", in which she sounds so excited and determined. She really embodies the character of Ariel so well. I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing her sing the reprise. I hope that moment will be as beautiful as in the animation, with the wind blowing in her hair, and that epic wave at the end.

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:38 am
by lord-of-sith
She will almost certainly sing the "option up" version of the reprise from the musical, and she will sound phenomenal.

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:46 am
by Vlad
I think so too, although I hope she won't. I'm not very fond of the ending to the stage version, where Ariel says "Part of your world" in a higher key. I kinda prefer the movie version, cause it sounds more epic, both in terms of the vocals and of the orchestra. And I find it more fitting in a movie, while the stage version is more suitable for....well, the stage :lol: :lol:

But whichever version she will end up singing, she will no doubt sound great!

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:17 pm
by Farerb
I don't know why but it just occurred to me that her hair makes her look like the Mermaids in Harry Potter.

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:09 pm
by Disney's Divinity
Yes, I hope they do not raise the key of the reprise. The original is iconic. The way the Broadway and Live show version end the reprise is terrible.

I don't mind that it got massively downvoted whatever the reason, since they refused to give us a straight remake like the other fab four; as usual, of the four, TLM gets the shaft. Maybe 15-20 years from now they might make a version that's more like the original, but of course Menken may not be around for it, unfortunately.

I've seen people online have been insulting Jodi Benson in order to prop this remake up though. While I'm in the group that enjoyed the audio leak and didn't even mind the ending like most people did ("beEEee"), Jodi Benson's version still shits all over every other version I've ever heard and this is no exception. I would place this before Boggess and Cravalho's versions though. I think Boggess had a better voice, overall, but I don't care for the ending of her version; then again, I don't like the "MOOORE!" part of Halle's version, so I should say they're tied in my book. Bailey's version is clearly ahead of Cravalho's though.

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:54 pm
by Disney Duster
Vlad, did you miss where I talked about Halle's "wanderin' free, wish I could be" as well? Because we are both in perfect agreement there! :D She sings and acts so well at the same time there!

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 1:20 am
by Toky
The trailer is downvoted by Trump supporting racist people….who don't have a life….thats the reason…nothing more…

At first I was also like why do they change something we al love so much….but my opinion has changed…more then ever we need Black princesses, more than ever racisme and discrimination are a problem…

Seeing the video of those little girls, who will get a hero who looks just like them, is the reason why we need it as well…plus Halle’s voice is amazing…

Halle is also not the reason we should be concerned…Disney is, since they cant manage to produce a good live action without adding the most stupid elements or story lines to already perfect stories…

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 1:21 am
by Vlad
Disney Duster wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:54 pm Vlad, did you miss where I talked about Halle's "wanderin' free, wish I could be" as well? Because we are both in perfect agreement there! :D She sings and acts so well at the same time there!

I actually did :lol: :lol: :lol: I'm glad we agree on this :D

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 1:37 am
by Disney Duster
Oh, it's ok Vlad! D82, I forgot to thank you for that other link you posted. Unfortunately, I didn't get to see the video before it got taken down.

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 2:57 am
by carolinakid
Toky wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 1:20 am The trailer is downvoted by Trump supporting racist people….who don't have a life….thats the reason…nothing more…
More Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Let’s be real... do you really think over A MILLION Trump
supporters are watching children’s movie trailers on YouTube so they can down vote them? Talk about conspiracy theories! There are many more serious issues we’re facing as a nation as we head into midterms, than Disney race swapping the lead character in a fairy tale!

Could you back up your slanderous claim with some proof, toky? I’m so sick of this “You’re a racist if you don’t like this reboot” bullshit!

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 1:50 pm
by Toky
carolinakid wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 2:57 amMore Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Let’s be real... do you really think over A MILLION Trump
supporters are watching children’s movie trailers on YouTube so they can down vote them? Talk about conspiracy theories! There are many more serious issues we’re facing as a nation as we head into midterms, than Disney race swapping the lead character in a fairy tale!

Could you back up your slanderous claim with some proof, toky? I’m so sick of this “You’re a racist if you don’t like this reboot” bullshit!
I dont think its bullshit….and we’ve seen what Trump and his kind of people are capable of, and what pityness they can show(like serious that man is rotten to the core)… as an outsider watching America…Im sorry but Your country DOES have a racism problem…damn even a problem these days with women- and gay rights in probably near future..sadly

Also I dont think all people watching this trailer and movie are kids…A lot of the kids who’ve seen the original are now grown ups..
If it are slanderous claims…than why is a black mermaid a problem? You’re a grown up right? Why would a black mermaid bother a grown up? Its not like the original will be wiped out….I dont think kids are downvoting the trailer; since most kids dont really judge like grown ups do…
Remember the #notmyariel? Was there ever a #notmybelle?
You know most disney stories originate from a time in which white people dominated the entertainment industry, but times have changed, and thus movies change…

So why would a grown up downvote this trailer…The trailer only shows a few seconds, in which mainly a black person is shown…why downvote that? Mmmm
Im not saying you’re a racist if you dont like this movie…but guess what? The movie isnt out yet…so these people couldnt have judged it yet….Just go online…all the backlash goes to Halle…just as all the backlash about Rings of Power goes to the coloured people….Imagine how that girl should feel…..

I’m as white as white can be…Dutch…but what is happening online is just a bunch of folks wining about a person being black…

Again im not calling everyone who has problems with this movie a racist…im not saying that…but the movie isnt out yet..

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:11 pm
by Disney's Divinity
Toky wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 1:50 pm I dont think its bullshit….and we’ve seen what Trump and his kind of people are capable of, and what pityness they can show(like serious that man is rotten to the core)… as an outsider watching America…Im sorry but Your country DOES have a racism problem…damn even a problem these days with women- and gay rights in probably near future..sadly
We've always had the racism, homophobia, and misogyny problem, but it has definitely been ramped up to 10 the past seven years, no doubt.
You’re a grown up right? Why would a black mermaid bother a grown up?
A Black mermaid doesn't bother me. After all, Gabriella in the series was one of my favorite characters; she didn't have an unrealistic hair color, for example. For me, it's mostly having wanted a straight remake rather than one where everyone is racebent, genderbent (in Scuttle's case), etc. Personally, I'm less bothered now we've seen the teaser and we know they didn't give her a bright red impossible hair color and the design of the bra/tail aren't overdone. That said, even though this movie looks to be much better than I expected, I still doubt it'll be as good as Aladdin 2019, B&tB 2017, or even the TLK remake--probably the next tier or so down.

What kills me is, if they were going to "bend" these characters, the most logical bend would've been a LGBT one considering Ariel is a character who literally wants to change her body to make herself feel the way she does inside on the outside. Not to mention Ursula being based on a drag queen. Both those characters should've been trans characters if they wanted to bend things for diversity's sake.
Again im not calling everyone who has problems with this movie a racist…im not saying that…but the movie isnt out yet..
No, I don't think you are either. And there are undeniably many people who are being racist in response to Halle Bailey. That said, I'm glad we have moderators here who don't put their thumb on the scales and threaten posters for disagreeing with them, wherever on the spectrum they may fall. :)

The one thing I will say to carolinakid with some manner of agreement is that I think shielding the movie in this way with a racebend (as far as devaluing any criticism thrown at the movie as being race-based) was a very clever tactical move. But if you trot over to the Hercules thread and read about how they're going to cut the Muses--tailor-made for stars like Lizzo and JHUD (the latter's talkshow just started this week and has been pretty good so far, imo)--you realize Disney doesn't care as much about diversity as they pretend. It's something that should've been noticeable looking back when they cut Mushu, too... It's like all the Black-voiced characters from the '90s that made those films popular are expendable in Disney's eyes and not a reason people have nostalgia for these films.

I agree with you, Toky, that we need more Black princesses. That's why I wondered why they hadn't made any original animated films with Black casts since TP&TF. At least the new princess, Asha, is biracial like Ariana DeBose. Like Tiana, Mulan, Raya, Moana, Mirabel, etc., that's a *real* win for diversity, imo, because Disney is committing to a character that will promoted "forever" via the Disney Princess merchandise line.

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:58 pm
by D82
Disney Duster wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 1:37 am D82, I forgot to thank you for that other link you posted. Unfortunately, I didn't get to see the video before it got taken down.
I'm sorry you didn't get to catch it. If I find it again, I'll post it here.

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:05 am
by Disney Duster
Thanks D82! Vlad, I also agree, Ariel's tale is so beautiful! Not gonna lie, that's always been my favorite thing about her, and they did it justice. Hey, my favorite things about all my favorite princesses is their beautiful wardrobe! Yes, I love Cinderella for her heart and resolve, and I love Ariel's personality as well, but my favorite things have always been their visuals!

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:19 am
by singerguy04
I've been just kind of soaking in Halle's new version of PoYW, and I have to say that I love it and can't wait to hear a non-second hand version of it. I don't disagree with those of you who were taken aback by it at first though. A lot of us have gone our whole lives hearing Jodi's version over and over and we've grown so used to it's sounds that anything new if off-putting at first. I was the same here. After hearing the full version though it all fits so well, especially coming from Halle. You can almost feel through that it comes from somewhere real and natural despite some auto-tune sprinkled about. I'm also completely obsessed over her "Above" ascension in the climax. The whole rest of the movie might be crap (given how all the live-action remakes go) but at least we got this win!

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:43 pm
by carolinakid
Downvotes of the trailer have surpassed 2.1 million.
72 million more Trump supporters need to make their voices heard!

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:51 pm
by Disney Duster
singerguy04 wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:19 amI've been just kind of soaking in Halle's new version of PoYW, and I have to say that I love it[...]After hearing the full version though it all fits so well, especially coming from Halle. You can almost feel through that it comes from somewhere real and natural[...]I'm also completely obsessed over her "Above" ascension in the climax. The whole rest of the movie might be crap (given how all the live-action remakes go) but at least we got this win!
I so agree with all of that!

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:31 am
by robster16
carolinakid wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:43 pm Downvotes of the trailer have surpassed 2.1 million.
72 million more Trump supporters need to make their voices heard!
Who cares about downvotes. I never quite understood the petty, childish need to "downvote" anything. If something is not for you, move on from it and stop whining about it. Focus on the things you do like instead of ruining other people's enjoyment and fun...

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:00 am
by carolinakid
robster16 wrote:Who cares about downvotes. I never quite understood the petty, childish need to "downvote" anything. If something is not for you, move on from it and stop whining about it. Focus on the things you do like instead of ruining other people's enjoyment and fun...
Oh, I agree! It’s a shame so many message boards have that option. To me it only allows people the opportunity to be pricks and to hurt others’ feelings. If you don’t agree with someone, simply move on. But that’s currently not the culture we live in. People are too anxious to ‘cancel” those with whom they disagree.

Re: The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:57 am
by Toky
Disney's Divinity wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:11 pm
Toky wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 1:50 pm I dont think its bullshit….and we’ve seen what Trump and his kind of people are capable of, and what pityness they can show(like serious that man is rotten to the core)… as an outsider watching America…Im sorry but Your country DOES have a racism problem…damn even a problem these days with women- and gay rights in probably near future..sadly
We've always had the racism, homophobia, and misogyny problem, but it has definitely been ramped up to 10 the past seven years, no doubt.
You’re a grown up right? Why would a black mermaid bother a grown up?
A Black mermaid doesn't bother me. After all, Gabriella in the series was one of my favorite characters; she didn't have an unrealistic hair color, for example. For me, it's mostly having wanted a straight remake rather than one where everyone is racebent, genderbent (in Scuttle's case), etc. Personally, I'm less bothered now we've seen the teaser and we know they didn't give her a bright red impossible hair color and the design of the bra/tail aren't overdone. That said, even though this movie looks to be much better than I expected, I still doubt it'll be as good as Aladdin 2019, B&tB 2017, or even the TLK remake--probably the next tier or so down.

What kills me is, if they were going to "bend" these characters, the most logical bend would've been a LGBT one considering Ariel is a character who literally wants to change her body to make herself feel the way she does inside on the outside. Not to mention Ursula being based on a drag queen. Both those characters should've been trans characters if they wanted to bend things for diversity's sake.
Again im not calling everyone who has problems with this movie a racist…im not saying that…but the movie isnt out yet..
No, I don't think you are either. And there are undeniably many people who are being racist in response to Halle Bailey. That said, I'm glad we have moderators here who don't put their thumb on the scales and threaten posters for disagreeing with them, wherever on the spectrum they may fall. :)

The one thing I will say to carolinakid with some manner of agreement is that I think shielding the movie in this way with a racebend (as far as devaluing any criticism thrown at the movie as being race-based) was a very clever tactical move. But if you trot over to the Hercules thread and read about how they're going to cut the Muses--tailor-made for stars like Lizzo and JHUD (the latter's talkshow just started this week and has been pretty good so far, imo)--you realize Disney doesn't care as much about diversity as they pretend. It's something that should've been noticeable looking back when they cut Mushu, too... It's like all the Black-voiced characters from the '90s that made those films popular are expendable in Disney's eyes and not a reason people have nostalgia for these films.

I agree with you, Toky, that we need more Black princesses. That's why I wondered why they hadn't made any original animated films with Black casts since TP&TF. At least the new princess, Asha, is biracial like Ariana DeBose. Like Tiana, Mulan, Raya, Moana, Mirabel, etc., that's a *real* win for diversity, imo, because Disney is committing to a character that will promoted "forever" via the Disney Princess merchandise line.

Yeah I do get your point. And i get people wanted a straight adaption of a movie they so loved. So i can imagine race bending in that way can put off people. Although I see it as more of a creative choice made by the directors…and yes probably Disney has an agenda doing this…but I dont really care…. Some would call it ‘woke’ bullshit…but without this ‘woke’ bullshit some wouldnt have had rights…
I always see it like this…I’m gay…and some would call those people you see with pride, dressed over the top, wearing make up, screaming their non gender etc as ‘woke’. But without those people, I wouldnt have had rights. So I can imagine people of black colour will feel heard by this change of Disney..

However I think all the dislike and hatred has deeper layers…like normal people would be like: then I just dont watch it…the hatred and dislike directly aimed towards this is sad to see..