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Disney's Divinity wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 4:34 pm Uh... I grew up in the '90s, so, again, this is a false statement and (lol) misinformation. My mother bought me plenty of shirts with Ursula and the other villains on them, among other things (playing cards, dolls, etc.); they were available to everyone like everything else Disney since they're family-oriented. Mattel notably had the Barbie Ursula. I'm sure they had the other villains, too, that's just the one I took the most notice of back then.

The Disney Store in comparison these days is pretty much only Disney princess nonsense which is why so many have closed, but in the '90s, they had shirts of almost every thing available from Dumbo to Pooh to the villains and so on. The '90s may have been when they first started marketing the villains together similar to the princesses? At least, there was quite a lot of "Divas" merchandise, in particular I had a bed shirt back then that had all the villainesses together and then another one of Cruella with some tag line I can't recall.

I'm not saying anything false and I feel really ofended by what you said.
The Ursula doll that you are talking about was a doll released in the collector line for adults and her price was above 100USD. I', happy that your mother get it for you but it was made for adults and not for childs just like I said before.
We were talking about toys made for everyone not only about collector dolls. This Ursula was also released during the re release of the movie because Tyco never made an Ursula doll.
Mattel never released Villain's playline dolls. They released gift set with the villain gown and a mask to cover a doll face but never a doll like the collector ones or the ones that you can find today at stores.

About clothes I'm telling about what I saw in Spain. Here finding Villains things for kids was impossible during the 90s. It was hard to find merchandise even of the villains of the classic that Disney released each year. You could fine a figurine or something like that but no clothes or playline dolls.
However I'm not going to still talking about this in the Wish topic. Disney is a big company and if Villains were so popular between kids they would've been selling so much merchandise and creating a franchise oriented to kids.

That thing about misinformation was a joke. I'm not one of these nutcases who likes to classify any opinion that disagrees with me as "disinformation." Anyway, I don't know what it was like for you wherever, but here in the United States, villains merchandise was easily attainable to children even if it wasn't in massive numbers like Pooh / Mickey / Princess stuff. Disney was at their peak in the '90s, there was merchandise of almost anything and everything everywhere those days whereas today, like I said, there's really just princess type stuff at the Disney Store and you'd have to go online or to the parks to find much else.

Of course, even today, if you go to Walmart, you can find puzzles, cards, plushes, etc. of the villains in the toy sections just as much as anything else. I actually turned around an aisle there a week or so ago and saw an adorable Ursula plush out of nowhere (not sure what the brand was--Munchies or something?). And the Ursula doll you mentioned may have been considered as likely only a big seller with adults, but it was always in the toys section back then with all the other Barbies.

I lived through the heyday of the Disney Store and Disney catalogue back in the ‘90s. I loved all the villains clothing (tee shirts, sweatshirts, hoodies, etc) and collectibles such as the much missed Walt Disney Classics Collection of fine sculptures that were available then. I never noticed much for kids, but as my partner and I are childless, we didn’t pay much attention to the kids’ stuff. Now that we are both downsizing as we approach retirement and a move to Florida from the northeast, we aren’t interested in those kinds of things, even if they did bring back more Disney clothing for adult men (besides the Fab 5 Stuff).

I still look forward to wearing my Evil Queen, Chernabog, Headless Horseman, Lady Tremaine, Queen of Hearts, Maleficent, Cruella and Madam Mim tees and sweats on occasion. They’ve held up pretty well for their age, although most of them now are most suitable for bumming around the house or working out.

Disney's Divinity wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:12 am That thing about misinformation was a joke. I'm not one of these nutcases who likes to classify any opinion that disagrees with me as "disinformation." Anyway, I don't know what it was like for you wherever, but here in the United States, villains merchandise was easily attainable to children even if it wasn't in massive numbers like Pooh / Mickey / Princess stuff. Disney was at their peak in the '90s, there was merchandise of almost anything and everything everywhere those days whereas today, like I said, there's really just princess type stuff at the Disney Store and you'd have to go online or to the parks to find much else.

Of course, even today, if you go to Walmart, you can find puzzles, cards, plushes, etc. of the villains in the toy sections just as much as anything else. I actually turned around an aisle there a week or so ago and saw an adorable Ursula plush out of nowhere (not sure what the brand was--Munchies or something?). And the Ursula doll you mentioned may have been considered as likely only a big seller with adults, but it was always in the toys section back then with all the other Barbies.

Obviously collector dolls are in the toy sections because they are dolls after all but these dolls are made for adults, not for kids.
In Spain there is also puzzles and Villains stuff but like I said these kind of merchandise are for adults instead of them beeing at the toy section.
Sorry, English is not my first language and sometimes I misunderstand some things! Don't wanna be angry or against you! I'm always happy to share my experiences and to hear other's.

Chris Pine, Ariana DeBose - At All Costs (From "Wish"/Pop Up Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyTL3zoENdk

Disney Ambient - At All Costs (From "Disney Ambient: Sleep"/Visualizer Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-vQUbg-R24

Regarding the villains merch, I came across something that is called "Doorables" which seems like funko's mystery minis only designed better and cheaper:



I usually don't buy things like that, but for some reason I wanted it. I only wish they'd included Gaston.

I saw the Pocahontas one and is so cute!
I saw yesterday that King Magnifico is now at Disney On Ice like Asha so I'm sure that we are going to have the movie adapted On Ice.

“Disney Guitar: Wish” Reinvents The Soundtrack To The Latest Walt Disney Animation Studios Film In Calming Acoustic Format
https://www.laughingplace.com/w/disney- ... itar-wish/

New Limited Edition Asha Doll Now Available at Disney Store
https://www.laughingplace.com/w/disney- ... ney-store/

At least we had Puss in Boots The Last Wish for spanish representation

Does anybody care about this film right now? People don't even remember that it exists. Dolls are on sale everywhere.
It is a bigger disaster than Raya. I think that it's time for Disney to forget it and to focus into next movies.
They tried to make something different and unique and it was a disaster. Next time they should think about the story instead of represent everybody like in a Benetton's commercial.

Thumper_93 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:51 pm Does anybody care about this film right now? People don't even remember that it exists. Dolls are on sale everywhere.
It is a bigger disaster than Raya. I think that it's time for Disney to forget it and to focus into next movies.
They tried to make something different and unique and it was a disaster. Next time they should think about the story instead of represent everybody like in a Benetton's commercial.

Did they really tried to make something unique? The only different thing was the animation style

Other than that the movie script was very generic

Most of u probably know that I despise that movie but omg someone did 3d Fan Animation of the fanfavourite "Star Boy x Asha" thing and it looks really good . Just to think how passionate those Fans are from having to model, rigg, and animate them on their own (also Ashas costume design looks more unique here than the final one)
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAlU4sop ... hpYnp1Mw==

The Disneynerd wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2024 6:40 am Most of u probably know that I despise that movie but omg someone did 3d Fan Animation of the fanfavourite "Star Boy x Asha" thing and it looks really good . Just to think how passionate those Fans are from having to model, rigg, and animate them on their own (also Ashas costume design looks more unique here than the final one)
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAlU4sop ... hpYnp1Mw==

I saw that artist (PhrenSo) on YouTube. They post a lot of work in progress demos - I think Asha's dress was envisioned to be a royal dress (i.e., if she was Magnifico's daughter.) Also they're using another fan animatic as the base for their "At All Costs" animation test.

Basically, concept art inspires one artist, and inspires the next.

Another animator on YouTube did a demo test for a prototype concept of Wish, with a shape shifting Starboy. The animator in the comments mentioned that they were going for a "2.5D" animation style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=aWqhn6 ... e=youtu.be

It's so bizarre to me. Many Disney movies went through complicated production processes and had whole storylines and characters thrown out of the window to make space for new iterations. And I'm more than happy with, say, Aladdin or Brother Bear we got and never wished to see the original versions because I trusted the filmmakers that they couldn't get them to work, and that the end results ended up being the best versions of those particular stories. Not so much with Wish because pretty much everything I've seen and read makes the original storyline so much better and enticing, and even fan theories are more pleasing than what we got. It also doesn't help to see concept art brought to life in these fan-made videos; some truly wonderful imagery that is lacking from the final movie. Thank you both for posting those links.

The time spent on a story or how many versions they went through before they settled on a story is such a pointless talking point I've often seen used against Wish and Frozen II among others, since it's something that was also true for Tangled, Aladdin, B&tB, TLM, etc. The only thing that matters in the end is the finished product and whether it works for the viewer or not. I don't think Wish is bad at all--in fact I think a lot of the overblown criticism is coming from a place of trying to prop up PIXAR/Elemental more than anything else*--but it is bland and hard to get excited over. A shame because there was potential here with DeBose involved, Star being so cute, Magnifico's and Rosas' design, etc. I blame it on the lack of guts at Disney these days; they're so terrified of making anybody angry that they backpedal from a lot of good ideas, it's a shame.

* On that note, I suppose this film is at least the more memorable of the two considering it's still being talked about. Elemental's thread died a quick death in comparison.

Mooky wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:25 pmMany Disney movies went through complicated production processes and had whole storylines and characters thrown out of the window to make space for new iterations. And I'm more than happy with, say, Aladdin or Brother Bear we got and never wished to see the original versions because I trusted the filmmakers that they couldn't get them to work, and that the end results ended up being the best versions of those particular stories. Not so much with Wish because pretty much everything I've seen and read makes the original storyline so much better and enticing, and even fan theories are more pleasing than what we got.

Honestly, I feel that way more about Tangled and Frozen than I do with Wish. Mostly because even if the filmmakers had gone with earlier, scrapped ideas like a human Star or an evil Amaya, the fundamental problems with the conceit, the plot, the characterizations, and the world-building in Wish would still have been present. It would have made the film a little better, sure, but the difference would not have been significant enough for the film to work, in my estimation. And there still wouldn't have been romance in the film. There was never an intent, at any point, for human Star to serve as Asha's love interest. That was an idea the fandom latched on to because they miss romance in Disney films and because At All Costs sounds like a love song. But, the reason it sounds like a love song is not because it was originally written for human Star and Asha, but because the songwriter really wanted to shoehorn a love song into the film.

The song “At All Costs,” sung by Asha and King Magnifico, was important to Lee. The song navigates the importance of the wishes to each of them, and the two are emotionally aligned here. Lee pushed for a song expressing this. “You had to understand what it felt like to hold someone’s wish in your hand. How do we viscerally understand that when you’re with them, you feel like you’re holding someone’s raison d’être?” she says. “You can’t do this in any other way but song.

Since there was no love song in the film, Michaels wanted to write a song that as a standalone sounded like a love song that could be played at weddings. Yet in the context of the film, it’s about the heroine and villain. Says Michaels, “How cool would it be if we wrote a song that if you listened to on its own, it sounds like a love song, it could be something you could play at your wedding, or be a lullaby to your kids, just something really beautiful, but when you watch the film, it’s the heroine and it’s the villain.” She continues, “You realize they’re coming about this both from various points, one from a very selfless standpoint and one from a selfish standpoint.”

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Mooky wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:25 pm It's so bizarre to me. Many Disney movies went through complicated production processes and had whole storylines and characters thrown out of the window to make space for new iterations. And I'm more than happy with, say, Aladdin or Brother Bear we got and never wished to see the original versions because I trusted the filmmakers that they couldn't get them to work, and that the end results ended up being the best versions of those particular stories. Not so much with Wish because pretty much everything I've seen and read makes the original storyline so much better and enticing, and even fan theories are more pleasing than what we got. It also doesn't help to see concept art brought to life in these fan-made videos; some truly wonderful imagery that is lacking from the final movie. Thank you both for posting those links.

We almost got a different version of Brother Bear? How much different was it?

Mooky wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:25 pmAnd I'm more than happy with, say Aladdin or Brother Bear we got and never wished to see the original versions because I trusted the filmmakers that they couldn't get them to work, and that the end results ended up being the best versions of those particular stories

Youre very welcome and I agree with the Aladdin one, and I would throw in BatB, while the original Opening 10 minutes look interesting, it lacks the charm and welcoming atmosphere of the final one, it looked kinda too gloomy

Sotiris wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 6:57 pm even if the filmmakers had gone with earlier, scrapped ideas like a human Star or an evil Amaya, the fundamental problems with the conceit, the plot, the characterizations, and the world-building in Wish would still have been present.

Thank you!!!! Thats what I also always thought! Because at the end, the stakes would have been the same, only that Star would have dialouge (when he wasnt mute like Tink). But this Human Star Concept is undoubtfully more interesting regardless

I think its really funny how they said in the Artbook and Making of Doc that they liked the Idea of "Starboy" but it felt too repetitive to them like Peter Pan or Genie, and the End Result is nothing BUT repetitive or predictable

Sotiris wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 6:57 pm Honestly, I feel that way more about Tangled and Frozen than I do with Wish.

Me too. Those were almost COMPLETELY different movies, with different themes and plots and characters, Frozens variety of versions is probably the most interesting, although Rapunzel Unbraided, while I LOVE sincere straight forward fairytales like in the  Renaissance Era, it would have been something fresh, and as this wouldnt have been their "official" adaptation of Rapunzel, just a fairytale setting with the Rapunzel characters facing a different problem, they always would have had the opportunity to officially adapt the source material a few decades afterwards, like the Mickey Beanstalk -> Gigantic situation. Rawr

I would Literally pay 100 dollars to see more Production Insights of RU, Keanes Rapunzel, and 2000s Snow Queen, even if its just Script Snippits or a few Concept Arts (especially Lisa Keenes)

DisneyJedi wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:59 am We almost got a different version of Brother Bear? How much different was it?

The thing i remember is that Koda was originally a big grown up fuzzy Bear, and the original storyline was based on the tale of "King Lair" following Lion Kings success

But theres clearer information about it here https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Brother_Bear

Wish has been nominated for Top Soundtrack at the Billboard Music Awards. Update: It lost in the category.

Top Soundtrack

Hazbin Hotel
Trolls: Band Together
Twisters
Wish
Wonka

Source: https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/ ... 235837820/

Is this supposed to be a joke??