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After seeing the changes from the 2003 to 2008 DVDs for Sleeping Beauty, what can we expect to see changing for the Snow White DVD in 2009?

My guess is that we will get a new audio commentary with different perspectives, a new game or three, and maybe some new artwork for the galleries. They may take out some of the vintage promotional content since it was quite repetitive on the 2001 PE DVD.

Is there any bonus material known to exist that did not make it onto the first PE? What would make it worth the upgrade (Blu-Ray resolution aside)?

BrandonH wrote: They may take out some of the vintage promotional content since it was quite repetitive on the 2001 PE DVD.

I hope not, I loved that. It was a great way of seeing a film being marketed through the years. Too bad they didn't do it on all the Platinums.

BrandonH wrote: Is there any bonus material known to exist that did not make it onto the first PE? What would make it worth the upgrade (Blu-Ray resolution aside)?

Maybe from the laserdisc? I don't know. They could just produce completely new material.

It would be great if all the movies that have rides at the Disney Parks have a virtual ride through, like they did with The Little Mermaid (ride coming soon to DCA) and Sleeping Beauty (walkthrough re-opening soon). It would be great to have this feature on the next release of Snow White.

singerguy04 wrote:As many of you have said as far as picture quality i'm not too sure if they are going to be able to do any better...

Depending on the source material, they're almost guaranteed to improve image quality. It's only been about two years since the technology has been in place to do full film restoration at a digital resolution that actually comes close to gathering all the information available on a 35mm negative.

Who do you think that will sing a new Someday My Prince Will Come music video? Miley Cyrus? (Or maybe Emily Osment,since she sang Once Upon A Dream on Sleeping Beauty PE).

Ariel'sprince wrote:Who do you think that will sing a new Someday My Prince Will Come music video? Miley Cyrus? (Or maybe Emily Osment,since she sang Once Upon A Dream on Sleeping Beauty PE).

Neither... Miley is too big and too busy (i wonder why she never made a video)
And these videos usually don't have the same people, especially when it comes to the platinum line.
Most of the time because they went back to obvlivion and had their 7 1/2 minutes of fame Disney gives nowadays

I'm hoping that the Platinum edition Snow White includes the pencil test animation for the Boil Cauldron Boil sequence which precedes the Dip The Apple In The Brew sequence from the finished movie. The pencil test was on the original Laserdisc version of the classic movie.

Since me collection of DVD's is way behind. I'm just going to start over. This collection will be all Blu rays.

My first priority is Disney PE's.

October 7th was the first ever Disney PE to come to blu ray. What a great way to start a blu ray collection with Sleeping Beauty.

rs_milo_whatever wrote:

Ariel'sprince wrote:Who do you think that will sing a new Someday My Prince Will Come music video? Miley Cyrus? (Or maybe Emily Osment,since she sang Once Upon A Dream on Sleeping Beauty PE).

Neither... Miley is too big and too busy (i wonder why she never made a video)
And these videos usually don't have the same people, especially when it comes to the platinum line.
Most of the time because they went back to obvlivion and had their 7 1/2 minutes of fame Disney gives nowadays

Too big? I think that now she wants to finish with Hannah Montana but still.
About the same people-Jonas Brothers sang I Wanna Be Like You on the Jungle Book PE and they also had a Poor Unfortunate Soulds music video for Little Mermaid PE (Thought it was only on the PE soundtrack,not the DVD),maybe the girl from Camp Rock? how about Raven? (I whould say Ashley Tisdale but she already had her version of Someday My Prince Will Come on one of the DisneyMania CDs).

Yes. Miley's bigger than Streisand now. If only Miley has one tenth of her talent and experience.

Oh, you know what would be cool?

Leona Lewis.

yukitora wrote:Oh, you know what would be cool?

Leona Lewis.

I LOVE her! That would be very cool, and it would be like the old Platinum Editions, where they had people like Jessica Simpson and Nick Lachey do a song. Not that I like them too much, but now it's always a Disney Channel star. Some of the songs they did were good, but some weren't at all.

I liked:
Circle of Life - Disney Channel Circle of Stars
Kiss the Girl - Ashley Tisdale
Poor Unfortunate Souls - Jonas Brothers (which wasn't on the DVD..)
I Wanna Be Like You - Jonas Brothers
Cruella DeVil - Selena Gomez (I just love her)

I think Leona Lewis would be perfect, but I feel like they'll use Demi Lovato before they use her. I bet you that Demi will either be on Pinocchio or Snow White (depending on if she gets any bigger).

Demi Lovatto has a great voice, and she is nowehere near as annoying as Miley; but now that she's getting her own show she desperately needs acting lessons,
if she doesn't get'em she'll be just as annoying in no time.
Not to mention there will probably be a new girl by then.

I would love to see Raven do a new music video; knowing Disney it's very unlikely, and I wouldn't wanna see her do Someday My Prince Will Come anyway
...can you imagine an R&B version?

Who knows? may be Selena Gomez will have her band by then. But I'm almost sure it will be someone we don't know yet, or someone we won't expect.

I honestly can't stand these "pop star" renditions of classic Disney songs... that's definitely on the list to remove when I redo the DVDs.

I mean, it would be one thing if they hired real singers with real talent... but it seems like they just pull from the Disney Channel pool that's pretty shallow to begin with.

You know what WAS tolerable though? The Japanese PE of The Little Mermaid had Part Of Your World sung by a JPop singer (I knew her name, but I'd have to look it up at this point)... and it was so good you could almost replace the original with it (It IS in English... but apparently they felt Ashley Tisdale belonged on there more than a good singer). The shame is that the only source of this was a version I downloaded from a Japanese filesharing network... and therefore it was very compressed to fit on a single layer. If anyone actually owns that disc, PM me so I can work something out

This might come of as being ranty, so don't be too offended by it.

Its a common belief that we LOVE to make fun of Snow White. Everything from its cheesy story to the female lead's voice inspires many a joke here. What I find weird, though, is that underneath that humor there seems to be a general dislike for the film, surprising considering that this is a Disney forum.

I just have to say that some of the hate is unwarranted and the film deserves a little more respect.

First, let me tell you about my experiences with the film.

Growing up in the 80s I watched a lot of the classic Disney films. Pinnocchio, Dumbo, Sleeping Beauty, Alice in Wonderland, Cinderella, Robin Hood, Dalmatians etc. Yet, in many Disney specials they always talked about a film named "Snow White", a movie I knew it existed but couldn't find anywhere. The biggest event was when I saw the 40th anniversary special with Dick Van Dyke and the Dwarfs.

Turns out that the film was never released on video till 1994. That was the first time EVER I saw the movie and really, really enjoyed it.

I wouldn't see it again till the 2001 Platinum DVD and it was a fantastic experience, not only was the picture beautiful the film itself impressed me in many ways.

For Disney's FIRST movie he did an amazing job with it. The story is simple, yet manages to be captivating and emotional throughout most of the picture. With Snow White Disney nearly perfected the art of pathos and putting characters in dangers.

When I first saw the flight through the forest scene my jaw literally dropped at how amazingly well staged it was. You could actually feel terror in Snow White's heart. This was quickly balanced with a cute song and cute animal companions.

And the Evil Queen. Once again, for a first timer he nailed how to make a terrifying villain. Everything from her lines to overall design is impeccable.

Finally, when Snow White dies the whole scene is extremely powerful and must have been hard to watch back when it first premiered. It then ends on a very romantic and beautiful note.

Its very rare for a filmmaker to succeed on his first try. Disney had to do a lot of experimentation before starting on the film. And even if his team felt sure of its success the chance of failure still existed. So to see the film gain so much attention and love in as little as a year its very inspiring to say the least.

Now, did better films come after Snow White? Sure. We saw better and more complex heroines in Cinderella. Staging became better executed and stories became multifaceted.

Snow White does have flaws, and I think this is where most of the bashers get their material from. First, yes, Snow White has a bad voice. Maybe back then it was accepted, but now it comes as grating. Second, the story is very simply. Pretty girl is chased by evil woman, is sheltered by cute characters, she dies, but the Prince revives her and everyone lives happily ever after. Not to mention that it has TONS of saccharine content. This can annoy the cynical.

Then there's Snow White herself. Her character does come off as shallow, absolutely perfect in every way with very little emotion conveyed except happiness, love and fear. The Prince barely gets any lines, but we all know that Walt wanted more out of the prince, but the animators still had problems animating a human. The Dwarfs do their job as comic reliefs. The only character that comes off as being better developed is the Queen, and even then she is as simple as everyone else.

All of this was perfected in other Disney movies, whether they were helmed by Walt or came during the 90s renaissance.

But still despite all of this the film has managed to capture people's hearts for years. Everything is so simple that you will get it right away and just enjoy the ride.

So even if its now your favorite Disney film ever I think you should give it a little more credit. Yes, we can still make fun of Snow White's voice. Yes, we can mock some of its silly moments and yes we can criticize it. But its definitely unfair to bash it, especially if you do it because it ain't your favorite film.

OK, maybe you guys need something shorter for the tl:dr crowd...

LEAVE SNOW WHITE ALONE!!!!!!!

What you don't realize is that she's made you all these memories and paved the way for better characters but all you want is MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE!!!!!!!!!!

LEAVE SNOW WHITE ALONE!!!!! IT'S NOT HER FAULT SHE WAS GIVEN A SHRILLY VOICE! SHE DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE HATED FOR IT! SHE'S A HUMAN!!!!

*Sob sob, cry cry

There? Did that work?

pap64 wrote:This might come of as being ranty, so don't be too offended by it.

Rants are fun!

pap64 wrote:What I find weird, though, is that underneath that humor there seems to be a general dislike for the film, surprising considering that this is a Disney forum.

I don't find that weird at all. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs is not a good film.

pap64 wrote:I just have to say that some of the hate is unwarranted and the film deserves a little more respect.

It already gets a lot of unnecessary respect from people who blindly worship it because of its overinflated importance.

pap64 wrote:But its definitely unfair to bash it, especially if you do it because it ain't your favorite film.

I'll bash what I want and with valid reasons, pap.

pap64 wrote:OK, maybe you guys need something shorter for the tl:dr crowd...

LEAVE SNOW WHITE ALONE!!!!!!!

What you don't realize is that she's made you all these memories and paved the way for better characters but all you want is MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE!!!!!!!!!!

LEAVE SNOW WHITE ALONE!!!!! IT'S NOT HER FAULT SHE WAS GIVEN A SHRILLY VOICE! SHE DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE HATED FOR IT! SHE'S A HUMAN!!!!

*Sob sob, cry cry

Must we now call you Pap Crocker?

pap64 wrote:There? Did that work?

No, but I'll share some of my reasons why I don't like it...

From this old March 2007 post (I've since warmed up to Cinderella so disregard the part about it being one of the worst)...

What's ironic is that when I was younger, I really loved parts of the film, mainly because I was brought up on the first two Sing-Along Songs VHS tapes: Heigh-Ho, which included that and "The Silly Song" among its other musical offerings, and Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, which included "Whistle While You Work". Those sequences entranced me as a kid and I longed to actually see the film. Of course, since its last theatrical outing was 1987, and I didn't see my first theatrical film until 1992 (Aladdin, which is and always will be my #1 favorite Disney film), our family had to wait for the 1994 VHS to come out for us to rent (and for us to illegally record it to a blank tape...yeah, bad Escapay!).

Anyway, come 1994, I had finally seen Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs in full. And I was not as impressed as I hoped I'd be. Mainly the voice. It was always the voice that got to me. I had always read that Walt wanted a child's voice, someone that sounded young. He passed up on Deanna Durbin because her voice was too deep, too mature. And who'd he pick? A shrilly high-pitched breaks-glass one-octave-too-high-only-dogs-should-be-able-to-hear-it Adriana Caselotti. Big mistake. It turns what could have been at least a tolerable character into a downright annoying one. I didn't care at all for her at all, I hated how perky and happy she looked cleaning the castle steps or cleaning the house. I hated that she was so Stepford Wife-ish to the dwarfs, practically treating them as her children. I hated that she survived the trip through the enchanted forest (which is quite an impressive sequence in itself). All in all, I hated her character through and through and she was one of the biggest reasons why I rarely watch the film.

I think, though, that the main reason this film is my second least favorite after the tripe known as The Lion King, is because it's been built up by plenty of people over the years as this awesome and wonderful fairy tale that will melt your heart and make you fall in love with Disney. But...it's not. It's simply the first film from Disney, and it made an impact 70 years ago, but that impact seems to have diminished in later years. Nowadays people only know the film by the barrage of Princess merchandise or by one song. It aged gracefully, but still doesn't quite shine as good as it used to. And it's fairly mediocre compared to the films that followed it. Pinocchio and Fantasia are such grand and epic films that when you size Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs up to it, it pales greatly.

It's just that...well, the film is best known as the first, the "one that started it all". But beyond a couple good songs and the incomparable dwarfs, there's not much else I feel it has going for it. And it's just...dull. If I ever do sit to watch the film, I know I'll simply skip to a few chapters and call it a day. I just could never sit through it all in one sitting without shifting around or glancing at my watch.

I still agree with much of what I wrote. It's not a film that I can ever really enjoy when I watch, mainly because I've got such a disdain for the Shrill (be it her voice, her personality, her attitude, etc). And there's really not much that I can enjoy if like 70% of the film is focused on her (and the other 30% is about characters whose actions are based around her). The film focuses too much on grabbing the audience through visuals and enjoyable moments that it results in the story being so mind-numbingly plain and the characters becoming nothing but caricatures of what could have been interesting and believable people. It's a gimmick movie. And amazingly, a lot of people fell for it.

I'm not going to attempt to "like it more" just because it is important in Disney history. That's a bullsh!t excuse and one that I refuse to follow. Hell, I don't like Citizen Kane either and that's easily one of the most important films in cinema history.

I'm grateful for the opportunities the film gave to Disney, and I respect the work that it took to make it, as well as its highly-regarded position in the Disney Company. But no matter how much respect or gratitude I can heap it, it still doesn't change the fact that I simply do not like the film as a whole, and that there are too many things I dislike than there are things I like. I can be critical of it, I can make fun of it, and I can trash it as much as I want because in the end, it's only (and always) a matter of opinion.

I don't feel bad about my opinions about the Shrill, even if they can be hurtful towards people who think that the Shrill is the sun and the moon, or who were deeply affected by watching it. After all, to Jane Doe Thornton who loves the film, what I think of it is bollocks to her anyway. Just as what she thinks of The Rocketeer is bollocks to me. If you love a film enough, you can take all the criticisms other people have in stride.

Perhaps the only complaint I have about Shrill-bashing is from people who do it simply because of the film's importance, or because of its tie-in to merch lines. And these bashers never offer any real reason why they dislike it, instead they just throw out empty insults that don't meean much. It's one thing to be critical about the film, it's another to blindly and emptily hate it for the sake of hating something.

Other than that, bash away, folks! Bash away!

albert

Escapay Wrote : I don't find that weird at all. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs is not a good film.

It's not just a good film it's a great film!

Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs is a magnificent movie , a true classic. The first full colour full length animated motion picture full of charm character humour. It has pathos, drama, terror a great score , great classic songs beautifully sung by Adriana Caselotti * and the rest of the actors, great sequences , for example the scene when the Queen/Witch takes the Apple to Snow White is a masterpiece of editing - in short everything a live action movie could have and more.

* I grant you that the singing voice is quirky by today's standards but Walt Disney wanted her to act and sound like Janet Gaynor a famous 1930's singing actress and star! I guess her studio wouldn't allow Miss Gaynor to do the voice because of contractural reasons , I don't know if she was actually asked to do the role?

Well, like I said, there's nothing wrong in disliking the film. And you are right that people shouldn't like a film simply because its important. Like I said, there's nothing wrong in mocking the film. What I am talking about is blindly bashing the film simply because its respected or because someone else is bashing it.

You can dislike a film but still give it credit and respect its merits. For example, I don't like "Bambi" that much. I just don't see the appeal. But it is a beloved and well received film that mastered the art of animating wild animals, so I'll just mock it when I can and leave it at that.

So just to make myself extremely clear; you CAN dislike a film. You shouldn't like anything simply because everyone else does. That would be ignoring your own thoughts and following everyone else's. What I am talking about is that when you bash something simply because you don't like, its popular or everyone else is doing it is moving into the realm of being bitchy and childish.

(and the other 30% is about characters whose actions are based around her).

It's almost like she's a macguffin/human prop much like Aurora

Anyways, I'm rather on the fence about the whole thing, I don't love Snow White, but I don't hate her either. I'll go into more detail later on when I have time

http://animated-views.com/2008/once-upo ... storation/

great....another restoration (for pinocchio too?) ? i thought the 2001 version was pastelly fine....