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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:16 am
by Major Fatal Moebius
I think I can see where Major Fatal Moebius is coming from in that those four films are probably the 'cheeziest' disney films, a bit too sort of 'all american wholesome' as it were, but they are still very well made films. There's a lot of emotion in them, even if they are a little cornier than most Disney films.
Yes. That is definately part of it. It's hard to pinpoint exactly what's wrong with them, because what's wrong to me is probably good to you. I'll say it again, I just think these four films could have been done way more elegantly (like the earlier disney films), instead of going with the superfluous, overblown method. It is probably a generation thing and it's what kids expect to see now. I can understand they wanted to go wild with the african theme and all in the lion king, but, you know.
And I just can't look past the animation I'm sorry. The 80s/90s disney animation doesn't hold a candle to 40/50/60s animation. It's what made disney disney. Now it just looks like any other cheap cartoon on tv.

But enough now, let's keep this all friendly! If you like it, you like it.

The Little Mermaid: 142
Beauty and the Beast: 141
Aladdin: 96
The Lion King: 80
Why am I not surprised? :lol:

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:43 pm
by MagicMirror
I actually am a little surprised that those are at the top, particularly the Lion King, which users have previously voted Disney's most overrated film of all time.

I suppose they could be seen as the most 'appealing' Disney films, even if they are not necessarily the best. But the reason they sometimes get on my nerves is that they share a very specific ideology. All the films before this seem to have different ideologies depending on the film, but from TLM onwards a sort of Disney Classics Ideology is established, and now audiences have come to expect not only all Disney films but all family films to present the same model - this ideology is really what stopped 'Hunchback' (which would have been an excellent way to break out of the ideology) from being as good as it could have been, in my opinion.

As a result there's not as much variety in the 90s - visully, stylistically, they vary, but below the surface there's really nothing new. On the other hand, 101 Dalmatians always felt slightly satyrical, and manages to escape any cheeziness (at least, in my opinion), hence it's place on my list.

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:43 pm
by candydog
I've just been staring at my collection mentally electing a top ten:

1. Beauty and the Beast - love the movie, love the musical, 'nuff said.

2. Little Mermaid - It's so amazing, right from the opening bars where they play the title on screen with all the merfolk swimming to concert, I'm captivated!

3. Sleeping Beauty - three words: Flora, Fauna, Meryyweather - I LOVE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!

The following are in NO PARTICULAR ORDER!

Mary Poppins - What can you say about Mary? She's just practically perfect in every way.

Snow White - I've loved this film ever since I was little - The wicked queen is one of disney's greatest villains ever!

Peter Pan - It's just so magical! When I was little I'd run around the room during "you can fly" thinking that if I got fast enough I eventually would! :lol:

Hunchback of Notre Dame - frequently put down as one of disney's worst, when I see this film I see a powerful emotional drama. The climax is so spectacular: Paris is burning and Quasimodo stands on the roof of the cathedral holding a limp Esmeralda in his arms and cries "sanctuary!!" It's enough to move you to tears!

Pocahontas - another powerful drama, again slammed as one of the worst I like that Disney concentrates on emotional films as well as old fashioned romance. It's perhaps not as high on the list as hunchback, but I do love it!

Alice in Wonderland - I've always been fascinated by this film. It's not romantic or dramatic and it doesn't preach the importance of friendship, it's a lighthearted escape into a colourful world of fantasy, and I never get tired of watching it. With a powerful film like pocahontas, you reach the end and can't watch it again as you feel you've been on a journey with the characters, and starting again would feel like going back to square one. I can watch Alice over and over as it has the same entertaining characters that make almost episodic appearences, and are a pleasure to "revisit" if don't feel you saw enough of them the first time round.

Cinderella - the very definition of old-fashioned romance. I think this is the greatest portrayal that this fairytale ever had.

I think that's 10! Anyway, like many posters, here's my honourable mentions:

sword in the stone
bedknobs and broomsticks
lilo and stitch
many adventures of winnie the pooh
fantasia
aladdin

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:49 pm
by Major Fatal Moebius
I actually am a little surprised that those are at the top, particularly the Lion King, which users have previously voted Disney's most overrated film of all time.

I suppose they could be seen as the most 'appealing' Disney films, even if they are not necessarily the best. But the reason they sometimes get on my nerves is that they share a very specific ideology. All the films before this seem to have different ideologies depending on the film, but from TLM onwards a sort of Disney Classics Ideology is established, and now audiences have come to expect not only all Disney films but all family films to present the same model - this ideology is really what stopped 'Hunchback' (which would have been an excellent way to break out of the ideology) from being as good as it could have been, in my opinion.

As a result there's not as much variety in the 90s - visully, stylistically, they vary, but below the surface there's really nothing new. On the other hand, 101 Dalmatians always felt slightly satyrical, and manages to escape any cheeziness (at least, in my opinion), hence it's place on my list.
...or all the members here are broadway fags. kiddin'...well! :twisted:

No really, riveting post man. I think you're on to something.

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:36 pm
by Disneyfreak1990
1. Beauty and the Beast, has always been my favorite disney film since it taught me a lot of lessons and the fact that i like Belle.
2. Pochahontas, this one i've loved also since it's historical since i love history.
3. Aladdin, it's so magical how can you not love it :lol: .
4. Sleaping Beauty, there's just that magical touch to it.
5. Snow White, she's a classic nough said.
6. Little Mermaid, i love the songs.
7. Cinderella, Cindy is so nice that she deserves to be here.
8. Black Cauldron, i like it because it's darker than most of their films.
9. Peter Pan, this movie is very magical in it's way since it was based off a play instead of a fairy tale.
10. Lilo & Stitch, i like aliens alot.

if this was a put your favorites in order i probably would've put like Lion King, Hunchback, Tarzan, Hercules, Mulan, Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Alice in Wonderland, Robin Hood, the Sword in the Stone, 101 Dalmations, Oliver and Company, Mary popins, Pete's Dragon, and nightmare Before Christmas.

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:10 pm
by jeremy88
Major Fatal Moebius wrote:
...or all the members here are broadway fags. kiddin'...well! :twisted:

No really, riveting post man. I think you're on to something.
Thats really not funny...I think you may have just offended a lot of members here even if you were just kiddin'.

Besides a lot of people who like those movies arent necessarily fans of broadway. I know Im not, but I do respect people involved with broadway for their talent and amazing voices.

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:20 pm
by Harbinger
Okay.... this is hard.

1. Bambi
2. 101 Dalmatians
3. Aladdin
4. The Lion King
5. Dumbo
6. Beauty and the Beast
7. Lady and the Tramp
8. Lilo and Stitch
9. Pinocchio
10. Alice in Wonderland

I think that's right. :) Snow White could be up there but I haven't seen that movie since I was a child and am trying hard to find a good priced DVD.

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:40 pm
by Escapay
It's odd, my tastes change over time. Lady and the Tramp used to be in my Top 5, but over time, Chicken Little replaced it for many reasons (one of which being most days I'd prefer a whimsical offbeat comedy to a 75 minute romp in 1900s America with some dogs). But I feel at the moment, this best reflects my idea of my top ten favorite (not top ten best) Animated Classics from Disney.

1. Aladdin - this film has always had a special place in my heart for many reasons. It was the first film I ever saw in a theatre, and the first film I ever saw multiple times in a theater (five, which is a record that has never been met or broken by any other theatrical outing I've partaken in). It's quite easily the best of the third "Golden Age", and seems to always be horribly overlooked by casual Disney fans. I love the style, the characters, the music, etc. It's a film that doesn't quite fall into any specific genre, but fulfills the needs of most every genre except slasher/horror films (though the "I can't bring people back from the dead" could fit it visually...). Aladdin is the perfect hero, he doesn't suffer from being too great or too proud, he's got the qualities in a person that anyone can relate to. And Abu is a great pet and terrific sidekick, who brings the more fun side out of Aladdin. I still have problems with Iago, I would have loved to have seen the film had it played out originally where Iago was the deadpan voice of reason and Jafar was the over-the-top hysterical one-liner guy. Still, Iago's annoyances are petty, and I can easily overlook them in favor of the rapid-fire dialogue and one-liners from one of the most original characters in Disney animation: Genie. I could probably go on and on as to why I love the film, but I should really start writing about the others as well.

1. Beauty and the Beast - Unlike Aladdin, I had not seen this film five times in theatre, though we did watch the VHS ad nauseum when we were younger. It's the perfect romcom, with such rich and intriguing characters, and some of the best animation I've seen from Disney. I will always love the transformation scene, and even the little things, like Belle and Beast's argument after she treats his wounds ("That hurts!" "If you hold still it wouldn't hurt as much!" "Well you shouldn't have run away!" "If you hadn't frightened me, I wouldn't have run away!" "Well, you shouldn't have been in the West Wing!" "Well, you should learn to control your temper!" "..."). I get a bit annoyed at times by the grandiose nature of some of the songs though ("Gaston" is a good song, but never really one of my favorites), and I love how it starts off epic in the prologue, and ends with an "updated" stained glass window. This and Aladdin are tied as my two favorite Disney films ever. At times, this will have the edge over Aladdin, and some days, Aladdin would seem better than Beauty and the Beast. The two are always interchangeable as #1 for me, mainly because it'd be too much like picking my favorite child of the two.

3. Peter Pan - it's Peter Pan. What's not to love? I think what appeals to me the most about this film is that it's just a fun film. It's almost like a dream that you remember time and again, and have fun revisiting. Of course, the more I love the film, the more disappointed I get in its Platinum Edition... Anyway, I really love this film, it's the ultimate adventure for any child, and is always fun to rewatch as you get older. You learn to appreciate and embrace your childhood, because while it may have never been as fun as Peter Pan's, it's just as memorable.

4. Robin Hood - Up until a couple years ago, this actually ranked pretty low on my list, mainly because I likely only saw it a couple times. But there were countless days when I'd finish a shift at the Mouse House, go straight to the Learning Center, and borrow the VHS to watch on a TV, just to veg out and be...I dunno, just be a kid. It captures all the energy and fun of a Disney film, and while it gets a bit episodic (going from this story to the next to the next with no real ties together), it's still a lot of enjoyable characters and sequences. I think what I really like about the film is that it's not trying to be too serious, not trying to be too adventurous, not trying to be anything other than a fun time. And it works. The characters are engaging, the music a bit silly but still nice to hear (I absolutely love "Love" and "Oo-De-Lally"), and at the end of the day, you just feel good inside for having this romp in medieval England.

5. Pocahontas - Of all the Animated Classics, Pocahontas definitely is the most mature of them, and it deals with such serious topics and presents them in such a vivid and metaphoric story, that historical accuracy be damned. I can never get enough of the songs or the visuals. The characters can be a bit cookie-cutter at times, but they are wonderful archetypes of good and evil, mixed amongst each other that you're entirely unsure what good and evil really is. And the ultimate message that everyone is part of the gray area in between is strengthened by the conflicts between two otherwise-civil parties who feel the other is savage. Plus, this film has THE most romantic song of all the Disney canon, "If I Never Knew You".

6. Chicken Little :P - If you have to ask, it doesn't matter anymore. So there.

7. Dumbo - There's just something so innocent and safe about the film that makes me love it more than I probably should. I think it's the simplicity of the story and the characters, that they're around for an hour to give the audience advice about appearances and finding your strength within yourself. The fact that Dumbo says nearly nothing (beyond young elephant squeaks) makes him such an adorable character, that you just want to hug him and tell him things will be all right. The film also gets bonus points for allowing the story to get crazy, as it gives us a spectacular (drunken) fantasy in "Pink Elephants on Parade". I know a lot of people like to say stuff like "What were they smoking?" when the sequence was made, but I feel it fits perfectly into the film, as it's a four minute sequence of absolutely wacky and irreverent animation that reminds the viewers that there's more to the otherwise simple story.

8. Sleeping Beauty - This film is such a strikingly visual masterpiece that you tend to overlook little things like lack of character development. The visuals and the music are married together in such a way that you feel you're not watching a story, but you're experiencing art through animation. It's quite a surreal experience, and while it may be an acquired taste for film fans, it's still a very impressive 75 minutes of animation. Films like Sleeping Beauty rely too much on the visual splendor that characters and story (one-track as they are) almost seem secondary, and forgivable when they don't seem to make sense. It's a film that I often find myself loving and hating, as I love the sheer majesty of the artwork, but I can't really stand the slightly weak story and characters. I can understand their motivations and reasonings behind what they do, but it seems they all are only given one purpose, and once they fulfill it, what else is there for them?

9. Fantasia - It's an indulgence of animation and music that presents itself in such a classy but still fun way. Like most people, I do get a bit antsy during the interstitials, but it's not out of boredom, just out of the fact that Deems Taylor does go on and on a bit. Still, he's not the weakest part of the film (that would have to be the second part of Pastoral Symphony, when the lady centaurs are putting on a show for the men), but he could perk his voice up a bit. Of the animated segments, I always loved Rites of Spring, even more so than The Sorcerer's Apprentice. Probably because it's such a large undertaking for the film, to show creation as well as destruction and have it blend seamlessly with the music. Still, Sorcerer's Apprentice is probably the strongest piece in the two hour "concert", and obviously the most memorable.

10. The Black Cauldron - The two best words to describe this film is "missed opportunity". Well, either that or "misunderstood failure". Either way, the film is severely and harsly criticized by Disney fans and non-fans alike for simply being NOT Disney, in the sense that it's not what people expected Disney to be. But even beyond the plot holes and the clunkiness of the story and the somewhat bratty characters like Eilonwy and to an extent Taran, it's another visual film that I equate to Sleeping Beauty at times. The visuals of the film are the strongest aspect, with music a close second. But the characters and the story are too convoluted (as opposed to Sleeping Beauty where it's too one-track), that it hurts the film and is a major factor in people disliking it. But I still love it, if only because of the potential the film has, and the sheer adventure that the film contains. It's probably in my top ten over superior films like The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Alice in Wonderland, and Tarzan because I feel that the film is a much more immersive experience than most others, when it is viewed with the right mindset and the right expectations. I mean, I do love the other 35 films, but there's something about The Black Cauldron that just makes me really love it even more. Probably the adventure aspect that I mentioned before. It's like Robin Hood and Peter Pan, in that it's a fantasy and adventure epic that you watch to have fun with, not to dissect and analyze all the nuances of.

Escapay

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:05 am
by Disney's Divinity
And I just can't look past the animation I'm sorry. The 80s/90s disney animation doesn't hold a candle to 40/50/60s animation. It's what made disney disney. Now it just looks like any other cheap cartoon on tv.
I definitely agree with you there. Personally, I think TLM is the strongest animation-wise (simply because of the backgrounds and unique imagery) among the Fab Four, but none of them are spectacular. In the older Disney films, it seemed like the characters were never off-model, whereas in most of the newer films they're constantly varying. Still, Disney films are far above any other two-dimensional animated movies out there today.

And I think MagicMirror is completely right about how most of Disney's newer movies are formulaic. I find many of them to be re-plays of The Little Mermaid with a different situation. Restrictive fathers are common, mothers are missing, disobedience is required and everyone gets there wish (except for the villain, of course).
...or all the members here are broadway fags. kiddin'...well!
Well, I kind of am, but I don't know any other people on this forum who are that way.

:?

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:54 pm
by Ting Ting
1. The Rescuers
2. The Little Mermaid
3. Aladdin
4. Peter Pan
5. A Goofy Movie
6. The Fox and the Hound
7. Cinderella
8. The Lion King
9. Lady and the Tramp
10. Bambi

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:16 pm
by Disneykid
Even though three of the fab four have made my top 10, I do understand how all of the 90s films (if you switch Little Mermaid and Rescuers Down Under) follow a story mold. The main protagonists are either social outcasts or set apart from their communities by something significant, they sing a song about wanting something more, they have comic relief sidekicks that usually perform a rousing showstopper, and they fall in love and have a romantic duet ballad. Hercules was the last Disney movie to fully fulfill this mold. Mulan and Tarzan fit perfectly story-wise, but broke the rules musically. The only other exceptions are that Pocahontas has no big sidekick production number, and Hunchback has no love ballad (though two were written). Let's see if The Frog Princess returns to this storytelling frame. So far it seems story-wise it will (we don't know if Maddy will be an outcast, though I assume she will). Randy Newman will probably approach the songs differently, so we may see a more film-like musical akin to Snow White or Cinderella (short simple songs blended into the dialogue) than a Broadway one like The Little Mermaid or Beauty and the Beast.

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:34 pm
by jlppr
1 The Lion King
2 Aladdin
3 Peter Pan
4 101 Dalmations
5 Bambi
6 Brother Bear
7 Pinocchio
8 Tarzan
9 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
10 Beauty and the Beast

What is your #1 Disney movie of all time?

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:09 am
by JohnnyWeir
Sorry if this has been done before...but I just recently discovered this website in the last week. Anyways, What Animated Disney movie is your absolute favorite??? And why?.......mine would have to be Beauty and the Beast. Jungle Book is second...... :)

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:37 am
by slave2moonlight
My favorite Disney animated feature is "Beauty and the Beast". I just find it to be the most "perfect" one. Little Mermaid and Jungle Book would probably be a toss up for second place.

My favorite movie of all-time is "Who Framed Roger Rabbit," which some might not consider "Disney", but I do. It's just got a combination of so many things I love. Love the setting/time-period, love the concept of cartoons living alongside people, love the fact that it combines characters from different studios, love the quality throughout. I just love it.

A favorite Disney live-action flick would be hard to pick. If "Mary Poppins" didn't qualify, then it would probably be "Treasure Island", but "Happiest Millionaire", "Darby O'Gill", and "Bullwhip Griffin" are also held in high regard, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:59 am
by JohnnyWeir
oh.....I'll add Disney live action, in that case:
Disney animation: Beauty and the Beast
Disney live action: Homeward Bound

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:14 am
by rsandcm1
I might as well do my live action movie too:

Animated: 1st:Aladdin
2nd: Oliver & Company
3rd: Robin Hood

Live-Action: 1st: Jungle 2 Jungle
2nd: Remember The Titans
3rd: The Chronicles Of Narnia The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:42 am
by SleepingBeautyAurora
This question is a hard one.

1. Sleeping Beauty / Aladdin
2. Cinderella / Beauty and the Beast
3. The Little Mermaid / Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:49 am
by SpaceAce
1. Beauty and The Beast
2. The Little Mermaid
3. Aladdin

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:29 am
by merlinjones
Top 30 Walt Disney movies for personal repeatability:

Sleeping Beauty
Swiss Family Robinson
The Parent Trap!
Pollyanna
Song of the South
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
Dumbo
Peter Pan
Alice in Wonderland
Mary Poppins
Darby O'Gill and the Little People
The Three Lives of Thomasina
The Three Caballeros
Cinderella
Pinocchio
Lady and the Tramp
Ichabod and Mr. Toad
The Absent-Minded Professor
20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
Treasure Island
Bambi
One Hundred and One Dalmatians
The Moon-Spinners
Babes in Toyland
Summer Magic
Bedknobs and Broomsticks
Jungle Book
Many Adventures of Winnie-the-Pooh
The Shaggy Dog
Dr. Syn, Alias the Scarecrow
That Darn Cat!

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:37 am
by Voiceroy
Animated (2D): Beauty & The Beast
Animated (3D): The Incredibles
Live-Action: can't name a #1 absolute favorite, but my top three pre-80's would be Treasure Island, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, and The Apple Dumpling Gang/Hot Lead and Cold Feet. Post-80's are Chronicles of Narnia, Return To Oz, and The Muppets Christmas Carol. (After Enchanted comes to DVD, it may bump itself into my top 3.)