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Hey Vlad Margo Martindale may be good as Ursula!

To quote Monica Geller, "I know!" I'd be so happy if they cast her. She is genuinely funny and I think she can be very menacing and scary. Although I'm not sure if she has any singing experience. But then again, neither did Emma Watson and regardless of what others may say, I think she did a fine job in last year's Beauty and the Beast.

Margo Martindale would be fine--she's good in everything she's in--but at the same time she’s not someone I’m wishing for in the role.

I thought I was the only one who kind of liked Emma Watson's singing in Beauty and the Beast.

Disney Duster wrote:I thought I was the only one who kind of liked Emma Watson's singing in Beauty and the Beast.

I think Emma was perfect, and based on tumblr I can say a lot of people loved her singing.

Raf wrote:

Disney Duster wrote:I thought I was the only one who kind of liked Emma Watson's singing in Beauty and the Beast.

I think Emma was perfect, and based on tumblr I can say a lot of people loved her singing.

You should check the comments on youtube instead

I loved Emma Watson. As soon as I heard that she was cast as Belle, I thought it was the perfect casting choice. And I was super impressed by her singing. Of course she wouldn't be as good as Paige O'Hara or Susan Egan, but she did a great job.

JeanGreyForever wrote:

Raf wrote: I think Emma was perfect, and based on tumblr I can say a lot of people loved her singing.

You should check the comments on youtube instead

Stopped reading comments on youtube years ago since it's almost impossible to find there a positive comment on any subject.

Raf wrote:
Stopped reading comments on youtube years ago since it's almost impossible to find there a positive comment on any subject.

God, yes! People are so negative towards...well, anything, nowadays. Which is kinda sad, if you think about it.

Raf wrote: Stopped reading comments on youtube years ago since it's almost impossible to find there a positive comment on any subject.

Smart choice. Although videos on Disney's older films tend to be generally safe, at least in my experience.

Sicoe Vlad wrote:

Raf wrote:
Stopped reading comments on youtube years ago since it's almost impossible to find there a positive comment on any subject.

God, yes! People are so negative towards...well, anything, nowadays. Which is kinda sad, if you think about it.

And like Lindsay Ellis mentioned in her negative "BATB remake analysis": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpUx9DnQUkA Disney's live-action remakes are now trying to explain away plotholes/respond to the nitpicks...and are bungling the story in new ways as a result to be "meta-contextual" and "progressive"

....which means that The Little Mermaid reboot is most likely SCREWED, since I cannot think of another beloved Disney masterpiece that gets as much flak, hatred, scrutiny, and online nitpicking from bitter cynics, anti-disney hipsters, extremist feminists, etc. as The Little Mermaid.

Almost want to make a bingo card out of it~
-Ariel being more "feminist friendly"
- Triton being turned into the true villain
- Ursula becoming a misunderstood anti-villain
-Ariel saving Eric both times [instead of them being on equal footing by the end]
- Sebastian openly rebelling/telling Triton off
etc.

Oh lord, this may be a disaster after all.

Emma Watson had a good personality for Belle, but I wish she had been more lively. So I don't know who could have done it better. Jennifer Lawrence? I like her and feel she's kind of Belle-ish. Also maybe Emma Stone. Wasn't she considered for the role but passed it up to choose the same role Emma Watson passed up? Irony. But if I'm right, wouldn't it be great to have that Best Actress winner as Belle?! Youtube has it's share of good and bad comments. Tumblr...well, tumblr shows how the big fans and perhaps most people feel. The Little Mermaid probably gets the most negative attention because it is the third biggest film, while The Lion King is first and Beauty and the Beast is second, and unfortunately The Little Mermaid is seen as the least feminist because it has a leading lady, but one who makes a terrible choice with her life. But so what if she made a mistake? It's clearly shown as a mistake, right? I actually found a web article that lists the "true feminist" decisions of the Disney Princesses. Would anyone like me to provide a link? And by the way, I think Cinderella is seen as the least feminist princess by most.

Triton is a villain of the film. He hates humanity at the beginning and couldn't care less if Eric drowned; he has a redemptive arc for that reason. I think Ariel in the original film isn’t the greatest example for women, but alongside other films with stronger female characters, I don’t think it’s a harmful film at all. I do hope Ariel plays a role in Ursula’s defeat, considering she is the main character and she should have a larger role in the resolution to her own story.

I won't mind if Ursula is turned into an antihero. She is an evil character, but Triton is not a great moral compass by any means.

Oh god, it's probably gonna be like Maleficent.
Ursula will be misunderstood "Villain" and she and Ariel will team up to defeat Ariel's horrible father.

Yes, Duster, I'd like to see that article.

As for "needless remakes that explain every plot hole" treatment that was given to BATB, honestly, I feel Aladdin or TLK may suffer more due to it. I can easily see Jasmine's role expanded at the expense of Aladdin, making the original seem more independent than she ever was. And stuff like "why did the weather go bad / why didn't he set Genie free earlier" crap...Yeah, that's gonna hurt the film.

I wouldn't mind so much changes for the TLM as long as they're still consistent with the original film. Have Triton understand his daughter at the end of the film, have Ariel madly in love with both Eric and the human world (And DON'T turn her into Moana 2.0 personality-wise), etc etc...

farerb wrote:Oh god, it's probably gonna be like Maleficent.
Ursula will be misunderstood "Villain" and she and Ariel will team up to defeat Ariel's horrible father.

This will never happen. And Maleficent wasn’t like that anyway.

thedisneyspirit wrote: As for "needless remakes that explain every plot hole" treatment that was given to BATB, honestly, I feel Aladdin or TLK may suffer more due to it. I can easily see Jasmine's role expanded at the expense of Aladdin, making the original seem more independent than she ever was. And stuff like "why did the weather go bad / why didn't he set Genie free earlier" crap...Yeah, that's gonna hurt the film.

I'm expecting that as well which I find it ironic since they actually had to reduce Jasmine's role in the original because they felt she was overshadowing Aladdin.

Disney's Divinity wrote:

farerb wrote:Oh god, it's probably gonna be like Maleficent.
Ursula will be misunderstood "Villain" and she and Ariel will team up to defeat Ariel's horrible father.

This will never happen. And Maleficent wasn’t like that anyway.

Maleficent was literally exactly that.

Ah, that's great then, thedisneyspirit. The article unfortunately might be wrong in the sense of not listing every Disney Princess as it doesn't include non-princesses Pocahontas and Mulan, but I think they just didn't include them as they aren't actual princesses. The article of course may also be wrong because maybe you just don't agree with their opinion or criteria for being feminist, so you decide. For instance, Snow White, to me, goes and finds a home to stay in and chooses to work in exchange for living there, a strong choice. Anyway, here it is: Truly Feminist Disney Princesses.

You know, I think most people think Snow White is actually the least feminist princess.

Thanks, Duster, that was an interesting read. I liked what they said about Cinderella and Jasmine, though I feel Tiana maybe should've been given more points. I was also a little confused by their statement regarding her, as if they couldn't really get to a point whether Tiana was feminist or not (So it's impossible to have both a career and a partner? I'm not sure what they were trying to tell there).

I feel of all the princesses, Aurora may be the least feminist of them all. The movie doesn't really allow her to make her own choices and instead she's just moved around as a chess piece by the other characters. I feel if you attempted to replace her with a piece of furniture, it wouldn't make much of a difference.

thedisneyspirit wrote:Thanks, Duster, that was an interesting read. I liked what they said about Cinderella and Jasmine, though I feel Tiana maybe should've been given more points. I was also a little confused by their statement regarding her, as if they couldn't really get to a point whether Tiana was feminist or not (So it's impossible to have both a career and a partner? I'm not sure what they were trying to tell there).

I feel of all the princesses, Aurora may be the least feminist of them all. The movie doesn't really allow her to make her own choices and instead she's just moved around as a chess piece by the other characters. I feel if you attempted to replace her with a piece of furniture, it wouldn't make much of a difference.

The difference with Aurora and the other princesses is that she's not really a main character. In addition, Sleeping Beauty is probably accidentally one of the most feminist films that was made by Disney.