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I guessed the twist about the wolf about 20 minutes into the show, but I still enjoyed it. I love the girl they cast to be Ruby.

Since most of you relish relating to Disney characters in this show, why would 'Ruby' be Little Red Riding Hood? That definitely is not a Disney character, and after watching the whole episode last night I think that it more closely relates to "Peter and the Wolf" and NOT Red Riding Hood.

I love the actors and the characters they are playing. Let's hope this gets straightened out sooner than later, because there are only four or five more episodes left for this season.

cause Ruby lived with granny and wore a red cape and hood.

last night explained ruby's wolf charm she had in her car in 'Price of Gold'

Disney's Divinity wrote:I guessed the twist about the wolf about 20 minutes into the show, but I still enjoyed it. I love the girl they cast to be Ruby.

Yeah, me too.

Last night's episode just left me so confused to be honest!

dvdjunkie wrote:Since most of you relish relating to Disney characters in this show, why would 'Ruby' be Little Red Riding Hood? That definitely is not a Disney character, and after watching the whole episode last night I think that it more closely relates to "Peter and the Wolf" and NOT Red Riding Hood.

The only time Disney did Little Red was in a Silly Symphony, unless I'm forgetting something, and I doubt the creators of the show are looking to the Silly Symphonies at all. They seem to be treated as sort of their own thing. After all, Disney has a feature film Chicken Little and a Silly Symphony Chicken Little. Red hasn't been done as a feature by Disney yet, unfortunately. As for the Silly Symphony Red, I believe they just called her Little Red Riding Hood, though I haven't watched it recently. Of course, you have to include the Red character in a show like this. She's very popular among fairytales, amazingly, considering there's no Disney feature for her, and calling her "Ruby" is just an easy name to come up with (one could say one of the lazier ones, ha; of course, I have heard of drops of blood being related to rubies falling...).

I thought of Peter and the Wolf too. Peter seems to be a popular name in Red Riding Hood stories, I guess because of "Peter and the Wolf". I think the guy in the Amanda Seyfried Red Riding Hood was a Peter, wasn't he? I could be wrong about that. Anyways, I wondered if he was supposed to be Peter and the Wolf in this, and I guess you could say he was since they do take liberties with the stories.

Anyway, I watched this one this morning. Most people know I'm a huge Red Riding Hood/werewolf lover. I really loved this one, and I like the actress playing Red a bit better now, though I side in with those who posted in the past saying Red Riding Hood should be a younger looking character. This actress, particularly when they have her in her "trampy waitress" mode, tends to look pretty old sometimes. I laughed when Granny said she looked like a drag queen, because I've said that myself before. It was refreshing to see her with a classier look in this latest episode, both in the past and in the end of the modern day stuff. She looked so much better. Not saying the idea of making a slutty Red Riding Hood character isn't humorous and clever, but it wasn't a flattering style for this actress. Anyway, like I said, after the latest episode, I like her much better, and the way they changed the story worked with the fact that she is an older take on the character.

dvdjunkie wrote:Let's hope this gets straightened out sooner than later, because there are only four or five more episodes left for this season.

Seven, actually. This was episode 15 and there are 22 episodes this season.

@slave2moonlight: Agreed on Ruby looking better towards the end of the episode. I think she looks much nicer in less makeup and less slutty clothing
I would prefer if she had been younger, but I'm willing to forgive it for more Snow/Red or MM/Ruby scenes, I really like the idea of their being friends.

I really wish they show how Snow White and Cinderella became friends. Also, I want to know how Red and Cinderella became friends as well. It seemed like Ruby and Ashley were BFFs anyway.

Tae wrote: I would prefer if she had been younger, but I'm willing to forgive it for more Snow/Red or MM/Ruby scenes, I really like the idea of their being friends.

It made me think they were going to tap into the fairytale of Snow White and Rose Red, which I sadly no longer remember WELL.

If she's the...villain of her own story...that...means they didn't really do the real Little Red Ridinghood... What is the point of having these fairy tale characters if we can't feel they are the actual ones? It's just getting ridiculous now. No fairy godmother. No beast. No grandma-disguised wolf. I just can't accept these as the actual fairy tale characters. I am going to have to go along with it to enjoy the rest of the show like the rest of you but...COME ON. The only thing I liked was her cape was magical...but it could just be magical in protecting her from wolves whenever she wears it. *sigh*

slave2moonlight wrote:The only thing neither of us liked was the dwarfs being born from eggs, which was just goofy.

THAT too.

slave2moonlight wrote:[And the dwarfs were actually whistling Heigh Ho! They're going hardcore with the Disney stuff now, actually using songs from the Disney movies!

Grumpy whistled that song in jail in the second episode.

slave2moonlight wrote:[they are being a little repetitive with the forbidden love theme and couples dramatically breaking up. Cool seeing Belle converse with Grumpy though!

Agreed again.

dvdjunkie wrote:Since most of you relish relating to Disney characters in this show, why would 'Ruby' be Little Red Riding Hood? That definitely is not a Disney character, and after watching the whole episode last night I think that it more closely relates to "Peter and the Wolf" and NOT Red Riding Hood.

We have never said they only use Disney-done characters. They are supposed just be fairy tale characters, but the Disney versions are so well known, they chose to make the fairy tale characters Disney has done reflect that. But if it was Peter and the Wolf, he would be an attempting hunter trying to get the wolf, not someone who purposely chose not to hunt the wolf, as he did in this episode.

slave2moonlight wrote:calling her "Ruby" is just an easy name to come up with (one could say one of the lazier ones, ha; of course, I have heard of drops of blood being related to rubies falling...).

What lazier names?

Super Aurora wrote:I thought of Peter and the Wolf too. Peter seems to be a popular name in Red Riding Hood stories, I guess because of "Peter and the Wolf". I think the guy in the Amanda Seyfried Red Riding Hood was a Peter, wasn't he? I could be wrong about that. Anyways, I wondered if he was supposed to be Peter and the Wolf in this, and I guess you could say he was since they do take liberties with the stories.

As I said above, if this was Peter and the Wolf, Peter would be an attempting hunter trying to kill the wolf, but in this episode he chose not to hunt the wolf.

Disney Duster wrote:If she's the...villain of her own story...that...means they didn't really do the real Little Red Ridinghood... What is the point of having these fairy tale characters if we can't feel they are the actual ones?

I agree. With some of the characters it's possible the fairy tales happened to them (Snow White, Malificent), but this one just seems impossible.

However, didn't Granny mention she also used to be a werewolf? So maybe the wolf from the fairy tale is supposed to be Granny?

Also, I believe one of the writers confirmed on twitter that the Peter from this episode was indeed based on the Peter from 'Peter and the Wolf'.

slave2moonlight wrote:It made me think they were going to tap into the fairytale of Snow White and Rose Red, which I sadly no longer remember WELL.

I was thinking of Snow White and Rose Red the entire time I watched this past episode. I think that may be why they've paired Snow and Ruby together as friends.

Thanks sotiris. I hope Granny or someone as the wolf did make her fairy tale happen. If that boy was supposed to be Peter I'm glad to know it but I think it was yet another misguided character change as he wa hardly that story's character at all.

I'm not as bothered by the altering of the fairy tales. I guess I adjusted the first time I saw they were doing this (to extremes). Sometimes it seems they aren't making the best choices by going that route, but it has been such an awesome show so far that I will keep faith that they know what they're doing. I don't have a problem seeing the characters as who they are supposed to be just because their stories are altered, though I don't love that it sometimes results in some characters not existing (like a beast separate of Rumple, or a Big Bad Wolf separate of Red, or a, well, you get the picture) or some characters not having done what it is said they did (like Cinderella's Fairy Godmother). Though, I can still imagine that the idea here is how stories often aren't told the way they really happen. It's become more common of late to hear how what we think we know about actual history is not accurate at all, so I think they are playing on that.

they need to alter the stories because the show has the fairy tales living in the same universe. I like that they are changing the stories, making a character part of many stories they went part of before. we see how one characters choices changes or makes another fairy tale. i dont think the show would be that entertaining if we got the direct telling of the stories.

I enjoyed the latest episode, but I didn't love it as much as a lot of people seem to. The FT parts were good, but the SB parts just made me hate David more. He really didn't notice that the MM in his hypnotic state had long hair, and different clothes compared to the MM he knows?

On the other hand, I'm counting down the days until 'Hat Trick' airs! Alice in Wonderland is one of my favorite books, and I'm exited to see how Mad Hatter and the other characters are portrayed on this show, even if they aren't traditional fairytale characters. The promo is showing this episode to be exactly how I hoped.

Gah, now I'm two episodes behind. Hopefully I'll be able to watch these latest two sometime this week. As for altering the fairytale characters, I really like it. It would be really boring if we just got the same retelling of a character and nothing more. The interactions between characters, and how they build off of each other, is a really neat idea to counter the characters we think we already know. I'm loving this show and I, too, can't wait for Hat Trick. All I know is that it deals with Alice in Wonderland, but I can't wait to see it. But first I need to watch these last two episodes!

The best part of the last episode was Snow White trying to lure the bird so she would kill it by humming "With a Smile and a Song."

Tae wrote:I enjoyed the latest episode, but I didn't love it as much as a lot of people seem to. The FT parts were good, but the SB parts just made me hate David more. He really didn't notice that the MM in his hypnotic state had long hair, and different clothes compared to the MM he knows?

On the other hand, I'm counting down the days until 'Hat Trick' airs! Alice in Wonderland is one of my favorite books, and I'm exited to see how Mad Hatter and the other characters are portrayed on this show, even if they aren't traditional fairytale characters. The promo is showing this episode to be exactly how I hoped.

Yeah, I can't believe he didn't even say anything about her hair being LONG in the memory!


Oh and Red....lets just say that she kicked butt when she was buying Prince James some time in Fairytale Land!


'Hat Trick' looks freaky.....can't wait!

slave2moonlight wrote:I don't love that it sometimes results in some characters not existing (like a beast separate of Rumple, or a Big Bad Wolf separate of Red, or a, well, you get the picture) or some characters not having done what it is said they did (like Cinderella's Fairy Godmother).

These are my main problems, and though I actually feel like maybe Rumplestiltskin has to slide, and Red could be the wolf if her grandmother was the wolf that tried to eat her when she was younger and the actual fairy tale happened then, the fairy godmother one is not excusable as I explained how Rumple could have made a deal with Cinderella after her godmother did what she came to do. He could steal her wand after that and be at the ball and make Cinderella's slipper come off and make the prince use it to search for her in exchange for her baby.

AliceinWonderland wrote:they need to alter the stories because the show has the fairy tales living in the same universe. I like that they are changing the stories, making a character part of many stories they went part of before. we see how one characters choices changes or makes another fairy tale. i dont think the show would be that entertaining if we got the direct telling of the stories.

It's not completely necessary for how much they changed the stories, as I explained above.

TheSequelOfDisney wrote:Gah, now I'm two episodes behind. Hopefully I'll be able to watch these latest two sometime this week. As for altering the fairytale characters, I really like it. It would be really boring if we just got the same retelling of a character and nothing more. The interactions between characters, and how they build off of each other, is a really neat idea to counter the characters we think we already know.

It's not always necessary the way they change the stories. Please also see what I said above.

Sotiris wrote:The best part of the last episode was Snow White trying to lure the bird so she would kill it by humming "With a Smile and a Song."

YES it was! lol And that they put the red bow in her hair! That was Disney geek excitement for me! lol

Tae wrote:I enjoyed the latest episode, but I didn't love it as much as a lot of people seem to. The FT parts were good, but the SB parts just made me hate David more. He really didn't notice that the MM in his hypnotic state had long hair, and different clothes compared to the MM he knows?

Exactly. See, the writers of this show do not always know what they are doing and what is good. This could easily be amended though if she had just covered her hair with the hood during that scene and Mary Margaret also had a hooded coat or jacket, or if those memories were really foggy and fuzzy (they make the images hazy when we see them) so he can barely tell its her but still knows its her.

And wtf Mary Margaret getting so hurt by David. She just needed to realize that unlike David, she never had a MEMORY of him saying he was going to kill someone. His situation was different from hers. The only excuse is that in her emotional state she wasn't thinking a lot or very clearly. Everyone who's in love on this show is written really unreasonabley. We'll have to chock it up to their feelings to even go with it.