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Beast_enchantment wrote:

Matt wrote: This was played at the Disney Stores the time of the release. I've always wanted this version on DVD.

If you liked the way the film was originally, then, trust me you don't

lol true

Flanger-Hanger wrote: So that makes you better than the people who like it now, don't care or still do like it, as with chickenisinfected?

Also George added scenes re-did effects and took "tweaking" to a whole new level. The creative team behind Beauty just changed the level of the colours. They kept the endless goofs in the animation or backgrounds themselves, kept the dialouge, the music and voices are the same etc, hell they even put back the skulls in Gaston's eyes that were taken out for the VHS/laserdisc. To compare this to the Star Wars special editions is laughable and just shows how you and others can't possibly be taken seriously by anyone.

Of all the awful things Disney has both done and not done in all the areas of it's company this past decade, the colours on BatB should be your last concern and worrying about them is a waste of yours and Disney's time.

They also re-did and fixed scenes for Beauty and the Beast, so can there be complaints now? Also, if color changes aren't that bad, have you watched the Blu-Ray of The French Connection? William Friedkin changed the colors radically to fit his personal view of today. And it doesn't look good.
It's not how much changes were made to the OTV, it's the point that there were changes made. And in both instances changes were made to the OTV. George Lucas wanted it updated to his personal vision, and so did the directors of BatB (apparently).
And why shouldn't this be discussed? Because Disney made worse mistakes? That doesn't make sense to me at all.

Flanger-Hanger wrote:
I suppose they do but the film still sold well on DVD and the directors are clearly happy with it. It's a win win situation for Disney and I'm sorry you and other are such sore losers (and what exactly did you lose anyway? Nothing it's not your film and you have zero entitlement to anything, this whole discussion is a unfunny joke).

We lost the film we love.

And it's a lose lose situation for Disney, because the film might have sold well when it came out on dvd, because the audience was expecting to see something they knew but instead they got something else.
And the film looks like a generic saturday morning cartoon now and can't even be compared to the look OTV. So many people were disappointed. The creators might like it, but the film lost it's charm and feeling. People that will watch the film now just have a completely different experience and image of the film (also people who watch it for the first time). Films with this cheap, flat, saturday morning cartoon look just won't be as successful, mark my words.
Audiences will notice, they are not crazy.

Flanger-Hanger wrote:
So that makes you better than the people who like it now, don't care or still do like it, as with chickenisinfected?

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No, it just makes him care about the OTV, while others clearly don't.

KubrickFan wrote: William Friedkin changed the colors radically to fit his personal view of today. And it doesn't look good.
It's not how much changes were made to the OTV, it's the point that there were changes made.

That's the real problem actually. The personal views of today shouldn't matter. They have nothing to do with their views, the possibilities and technology back in the days, years and years ago when the film was made.

They could change the whole prince's face in Snowwhite too, because they have better "views", more time and possibilities now. But hello........

Marky_198 wrote:

KubrickFan wrote: William Friedkin changed the colors radically to fit his personal view of today. And it doesn't look good.
It's not how much changes were made to the OTV, it's the point that there were changes made.

That's the real problem actually. The personal views of today shouldn't matter. They have nothing to do with their views, the possibilities and technology back in the days, years and years ago when the film was made.

They could change the whole prince's face in Snowwhite too, because they have better "views", more time and possibilities now. But hello........

Well, I fully respect the artist's right to change something in his work. The better if he has a legitimate reason to do it. But, and I must stress this, the original work of art should always be available. Look at the Blade Runner box set. The Final Cut was color timed differently, but every other cut was left alone, color wise. So you'd still have the original version. I don't know why other directors and artists still aren't able to do this.

Well, I fully respect the artist's right to change something in his work. The better if he has a legitimate reason to do it. But, and I must stress this, the original work of art should always be available. Look at the Blade Runner box set. The Final Cut was color timed differently, but every other cut was left alone, color wise. So you'd still have the original version. I don't know why other directors and artists still aren't able to do this.

Right, that's what I've been saying.

If they wanted to put on the IMAX "Special Edition", that would have been fine, had they included the true OTV. Let's hope enough people complain before the new release in 2010...

KubrickFan wrote:Look at the Blade Runner box set. The Final Cut was color timed differently, but every other cut was left alone, color wise. So you'd still have the original version. I don't know why other directors and artists still aren't able to do this.

You've supplied your own answer by citing Blade Runner as an example: it took Ridley Scott 20 years to get to release that Final Cut. The previously released "Director's Cut" simply wasn't what it's designation claims (and incidentally looked like crap on DVD). Historically, studios' film production and home media divisions have operated with a disconnect and filmmakers have generally had little contractual authority over home media releases.

(There is a sea change at work here: now that the home media market generates greater revenue than the box office and there exists a format capable of delivering authenticity to the theatrical presentation down to the visible grain structure, filmmakers are becoming more intimately involved with home media production.)

Yes but they definitely crossed the line when it came to Beauty and the Beast... or with films like Star Wars.

I mean, even that OTV set George Lucas released a couple years ago sucked... it was non-anamorphic and could easily be beaten by a laserdisc.

Marky_198 wrote:

Flanger-Hanger wrote:
I suppose they do but the film still sold well on DVD and the directors are clearly happy with it. It's a win win situation for Disney and I'm sorry you and other are such sore losers (and what exactly did you lose anyway? Nothing it's not your film and you have zero entitlement to anything, this whole discussion is a unfunny joke).

We lost the film we love.

And it's a lose lose situation for Disney, because the film might have sold well when it came out on dvd, because the audience was expecting to see something they knew but instead they got something else.

Before going any further with that opinion, let's see what the public themselves have to say about the changes. http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Beauty_and ... kid=222336[/img]

ajmrowland wrote:

Marky_198 wrote: We lost the film we love.

And it's a lose lose situation for Disney, because the film might have sold well when it came out on dvd, because the audience was expecting to see something they knew but instead they got something else.

Before going any further with that opinion, let's see what the public themselves have to say about the changes. http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Beauty_and ... kid=222336[/img]

Maybe you could tell us because you have to sign in.

I'm not a Netflix member.

But hey, just because someone wrote something on the Internet, it must be true! I'm glad you learned one of the great essential facts of life!

Huh, it turns out you need to be a member to look at member reviews. Anyway, out of 60, NONE had anything to complain about the visuals or changed scenes. I know 60's a small number, but you can have a thousand ppl take a survey and it'll still be biased.

How many Netflix users actually know anything about movies?

I'd wager very few. Fan reviews don't say anything - plus, people usually don't comment on the technical details of stuff. Go to Amazon, look up the crappiest release of a movie, people will be saying "This movie is amazing!"
They're commenting on the MOVIE, not the DVD.

drfsupercenter wrote:How many Netflix users actually know anything about movies?

I'd wager very few. Fan reviews don't say anything - plus, people usually don't comment on the technical details of stuff. Go to Amazon, look up the crappiest release of a movie, people will be saying "This movie is amazing!"
They're commenting on the MOVIE, not the DVD.

Uh, yeah. That's what my example was intended to be. I was trying to say that they care about the MOVIE, not the restoration. They don't notice the changes, as I didn't when I was twelve and this film was released on DVD. I didn't even notice until everyone here brought the changes to my attention(which reminds me, oddly, that a parent's worst mistake is when they try to keep their children from seeing/hearing certain things, by completely blurting out that it's bad and drawing said child's attention to it).

I think they wanted the film to look like it was made yesterday lol they didn't want it too look like an old 90s film which is sad because it looks awesome when it originally came out now it looks like a cheapquel.....

Yeah I know, I use the "made yesterday" remark about Lowry in general.

(Though BatB wasn't Lowry, it was just as bad though!)

Ummm, I hate to break to all of you but all we are doing is fan reviews. To consider that some reviews on Netflix don't matter is to consider the same with all of our views.

On top of that, considering all the people world-wide who are Disney fan's and Beauty and the Beast fans... we are a very small percentage of that. Also many of us don't think that the color changes are nearly as bad as some of you are making them out to be. On top of all that, there's nothing that any amount of complaining that a few members on a forum can do that will change the fact that the changes happened and that they are probably here to say. I agree that the OTV should probably be on a release with the updated version, although I don't think at all that if it weren't it'd cause any form of decrease in sales.

I'd also love to see where you get your numbers and confesionals Marky_198. You've been making a lot of claims about sales figures and peoples personal opinions as evidence against films and their resotrations and so forth. I just would really like to know because as far as I know it's never been brought up that the 2002 Beauty and the Beast release sold poorly. If it's true that people didn't buy that release because of it's colors then maybe I would believe that it's actually a concern for it's future release.

I just finished reading through this entire thread so I decided to post my thoughts. In my opinion if the original directors, producers, animators, and whoever else was in charge of the original films want to update, fix and make changes, for future releases, then they should be allowed to; it’s their art and their movie. They should also include the original version as well; there’s no excuse for that. On the other hand it is THEIR film; they created the beautiful pieces of art we love and treasure. If they do not want the old version to be seen, then they have every right to keep it off the disc (I know I’ll get flamed for this- I don’t even agree with it).

Regarding the sales of the original DVD- you have to be kidding me! There is not one, every day, average consumer that decided not to pick up the 2002 release because the color was changed! The average consumer could care less if the color is different, or if a piece of animation has been altered; they purchase the film for the movie itself. Maybe there are a few fans that decide to boycott, but overall it doesn’t make a difference. You have to remember, the average consumer is not a Disney film fanatic; they could care less if Belle’s hair is a lighter shade of brown, if Cogsworth now moves to the left two inches more than before, or if the film had its aspect ratio changed. The statement is complete nonsense!

Disney Villain wrote:I just finished reading through this entire thread so I decided to post my thoughts. In my opinion if the original directors, producers, animators, and whoever else was in charge of the original films want to update, fix and make changes, for future releases, then they should be allowed to; it’s their art and their movie. They should also include the original version as well; there’s no excuse for that. On the other hand it is THEIR film; they created the beautiful pieces of art we love and treasure. If they do not want the old version to be seen, then they have every right to keep it off the disc (I know I’ll get flamed for this- I don’t even agree with it).

Regarding the sales of the original DVD- you have to be kidding me! There is not one, every day, average consumer that decided not to pick up the 2002 release because the color was changed! The average consumer could care less if the color is different, or if a piece of animation has been altered; they purchase the film for the movie itself. Maybe there are a few fans that decide to boycott, but overall it doesn’t make a difference. You have to remember, the average consumer is not a Disney film fanatic; they could care less if Belle’s hair is a lighter shade of brown, if Cogsworth now moves to the left two inches more than before, or if the film had its aspect ratio changed. The statement is complete nonsense!

Yes, exactly. If the average consumer cared about Belle's hair color, they'd probably know how to set up an HD system years ago.