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Disney's Divinity wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:19 am Don't worry, Patricier. You can only expect genuine reactions from someone who is being genuine. I thought the film was very pretty even if it didn't look quite as nice I had hoped for; either way, I expect that style was really only for the 100th celebration and they'll go back to straight 3D from here. I still hope hand-drawn might eventually revitalize on streaming in future though. The music was about as good as Miranda's soundtracks...so, in other words, not very good, but not completely unlistenable.

Hopefully PIXAR gets folded into WDAS eventually, I wouldn't be interested in a cultural movie from a dudebro studio like that one. I imagine it would turn out like that time they tried to trademark the Day of the Dead holiday.

Thumper_93 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 2:18 am Because the movie is a Flop. He may be popular between fans but the merchandise sales are as bad as the box office.
Also dolls are thought for children instead for collectors. Villains are not so popular between children. They are more popular between fans and the grown people who see the movie.

I think their villains are very popular with children... Saying that as someone who was a child who mostly received villain merch growing up, so... And then there's both Maleficent and Cruella, which have been successful films.

No thanks. I’d rather they be separate.

I think that if Villains were so popular between children Disney would have put more effort in making a franchise with products for kids. They release some dolls every few years and they are always the same characters. Sold as a complement for the Princesses dolls.
This new King Magnifico doll doesn't mean anything. Dolls take more than a year to develope so I'm sure that when the movie came out and they saw the flop that turned to be then it was too late to cancel all the merchandise.

The villains have always been used for adult merch

Like makeup, face masks and nails

And collectors dolls

My childhood said differently. Then again, maybe the shirts and things my parents bought me were for adults only?? I suppose they would've stopped me from buying them at the register if I had tried to buy them for myself back then.

Disney's Divinity wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 1:23 pm My childhood said differently. Then again, maybe the shirts and things my parents bought me were for adults only?? I suppose they would've stopped me from buying them at the register if I had tried to buy them for myself back then.

When I was a child there was no merchandise of the villains for childs. Even Mattel didn't release dolls. Only costumes with masks for the barbie-kind dolls. I'm talking about 90s.
Even now if you search for villains clothes for kids they are really hard to find, at least the official ones.
Villains are more focussed on adult collectors. Kids love other kind of franchises like Disney Princesses or Cars.

Uh... I grew up in the '90s, so, again, this is a false statement and (lol) misinformation. My mother bought me plenty of shirts with Ursula and the other villains on them, among other things (playing cards, dolls, etc.); they were available to everyone like everything else Disney since they're family-oriented. Mattel notably had the Barbie Ursula. I'm sure they had the other villains, too, that's just the one I took the most notice of back then.

The Disney Store in comparison these days is pretty much only Disney princess nonsense which is why so many have closed, but in the '90s, they had shirts of almost every thing available from Dumbo to Pooh to the villains and so on. The '90s may have been when they first started marketing the villains together similar to the princesses? At least, there was quite a lot of "Divas" merchandise, in particular I had a bed shirt back then that had all the villainesses together and then another one of Cruella with some tag line I can't recall.

Disney's Divinity wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 4:34 pm Uh... I grew up in the '90s, so, again, this is a false statement and (lol) misinformation. My mother bought me plenty of shirts with Ursula and the other villains on them, among other things (playing cards, dolls, etc.); they were available to everyone like everything else Disney since they're family-oriented. Mattel notably had the Barbie Ursula. I'm sure they had the other villains, too, that's just the one I took the most notice of back then.

The Disney Store in comparison these days is pretty much only Disney princess nonsense which is why so many have closed, but in the '90s, they had shirts of almost every thing available from Dumbo to Pooh to the villains and so on. The '90s may have been when they first started marketing the villains together similar to the princesses? At least, there was quite a lot of "Divas" merchandise, in particular I had a bed shirt back then that had all the villainesses together and then another one of Cruella with some tag line I can't recall.

I'm not saying anything false and I feel really ofended by what you said.
The Ursula doll that you are talking about was a doll released in the collector line for adults and her price was above 100USD. I', happy that your mother get it for you but it was made for adults and not for childs just like I said before.
We were talking about toys made for everyone not only about collector dolls. This Ursula was also released during the re release of the movie because Tyco never made an Ursula doll.
Mattel never released Villain's playline dolls. They released gift set with the villain gown and a mask to cover a doll face but never a doll like the collector ones or the ones that you can find today at stores.

About clothes I'm telling about what I saw in Spain. Here finding Villains things for kids was impossible during the 90s. It was hard to find merchandise even of the villains of the classic that Disney released each year. You could fine a figurine or something like that but no clothes or playline dolls.
However I'm not going to still talking about this in the Wish topic. Disney is a big company and if Villains were so popular between kids they would've been selling so much merchandise and creating a franchise oriented to kids.

That thing about misinformation was a joke. I'm not one of these nutcases who likes to classify any opinion that disagrees with me as "disinformation." Anyway, I don't know what it was like for you wherever, but here in the United States, villains merchandise was easily attainable to children even if it wasn't in massive numbers like Pooh / Mickey / Princess stuff. Disney was at their peak in the '90s, there was merchandise of almost anything and everything everywhere those days whereas today, like I said, there's really just princess type stuff at the Disney Store and you'd have to go online or to the parks to find much else.

Of course, even today, if you go to Walmart, you can find puzzles, cards, plushes, etc. of the villains in the toy sections just as much as anything else. I actually turned around an aisle there a week or so ago and saw an adorable Ursula plush out of nowhere (not sure what the brand was--Munchies or something?). And the Ursula doll you mentioned may have been considered as likely only a big seller with adults, but it was always in the toys section back then with all the other Barbies.

I lived through the heyday of the Disney Store and Disney catalogue back in the ‘90s. I loved all the villains clothing (tee shirts, sweatshirts, hoodies, etc) and collectibles such as the much missed Walt Disney Classics Collection of fine sculptures that were available then. I never noticed much for kids, but as my partner and I are childless, we didn’t pay much attention to the kids’ stuff. Now that we are both downsizing as we approach retirement and a move to Florida from the northeast, we aren’t interested in those kinds of things, even if they did bring back more Disney clothing for adult men (besides the Fab 5 Stuff).

I still look forward to wearing my Evil Queen, Chernabog, Headless Horseman, Lady Tremaine, Queen of Hearts, Maleficent, Cruella and Madam Mim tees and sweats on occasion. They’ve held up pretty well for their age, although most of them now are most suitable for bumming around the house or working out.

Disney's Divinity wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:12 am That thing about misinformation was a joke. I'm not one of these nutcases who likes to classify any opinion that disagrees with me as "disinformation." Anyway, I don't know what it was like for you wherever, but here in the United States, villains merchandise was easily attainable to children even if it wasn't in massive numbers like Pooh / Mickey / Princess stuff. Disney was at their peak in the '90s, there was merchandise of almost anything and everything everywhere those days whereas today, like I said, there's really just princess type stuff at the Disney Store and you'd have to go online or to the parks to find much else.

Of course, even today, if you go to Walmart, you can find puzzles, cards, plushes, etc. of the villains in the toy sections just as much as anything else. I actually turned around an aisle there a week or so ago and saw an adorable Ursula plush out of nowhere (not sure what the brand was--Munchies or something?). And the Ursula doll you mentioned may have been considered as likely only a big seller with adults, but it was always in the toys section back then with all the other Barbies.

Obviously collector dolls are in the toy sections because they are dolls after all but these dolls are made for adults, not for kids.
In Spain there is also puzzles and Villains stuff but like I said these kind of merchandise are for adults instead of them beeing at the toy section.
Sorry, English is not my first language and sometimes I misunderstand some things! Don't wanna be angry or against you! I'm always happy to share my experiences and to hear other's.

Chris Pine, Ariana DeBose - At All Costs (From "Wish"/Pop Up Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyTL3zoENdk

Disney Ambient - At All Costs (From "Disney Ambient: Sleep"/Visualizer Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-vQUbg-R24

Regarding the villains merch, I came across something that is called "Doorables" which seems like funko's mystery minis only designed better and cheaper:



I usually don't buy things like that, but for some reason I wanted it. I only wish they'd included Gaston.

I saw the Pocahontas one and is so cute!
I saw yesterday that King Magnifico is now at Disney On Ice like Asha so I'm sure that we are going to have the movie adapted On Ice.

“Disney Guitar: Wish” Reinvents The Soundtrack To The Latest Walt Disney Animation Studios Film In Calming Acoustic Format
https://www.laughingplace.com/w/disney- ... itar-wish/

New Limited Edition Asha Doll Now Available at Disney Store
https://www.laughingplace.com/w/disney- ... ney-store/

At least we had Puss in Boots The Last Wish for spanish representation

Does anybody care about this film right now? People don't even remember that it exists. Dolls are on sale everywhere.
It is a bigger disaster than Raya. I think that it's time for Disney to forget it and to focus into next movies.
They tried to make something different and unique and it was a disaster. Next time they should think about the story instead of represent everybody like in a Benetton's commercial.

Thumper_93 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:51 pm Does anybody care about this film right now? People don't even remember that it exists. Dolls are on sale everywhere.
It is a bigger disaster than Raya. I think that it's time for Disney to forget it and to focus into next movies.
They tried to make something different and unique and it was a disaster. Next time they should think about the story instead of represent everybody like in a Benetton's commercial.

Did they really tried to make something unique? The only different thing was the animation style

Other than that the movie script was very generic

Most of u probably know that I despise that movie but omg someone did 3d Fan Animation of the fanfavourite "Star Boy x Asha" thing and it looks really good . Just to think how passionate those Fans are from having to model, rigg, and animate them on their own (also Ashas costume design looks more unique here than the final one)
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAlU4sop ... hpYnp1Mw==

The Disneynerd wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2024 6:40 am Most of u probably know that I despise that movie but omg someone did 3d Fan Animation of the fanfavourite "Star Boy x Asha" thing and it looks really good . Just to think how passionate those Fans are from having to model, rigg, and animate them on their own (also Ashas costume design looks more unique here than the final one)
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAlU4sop ... hpYnp1Mw==

I saw that artist (PhrenSo) on YouTube. They post a lot of work in progress demos - I think Asha's dress was envisioned to be a royal dress (i.e., if she was Magnifico's daughter.) Also they're using another fan animatic as the base for their "At All Costs" animation test.

Basically, concept art inspires one artist, and inspires the next.

Another animator on YouTube did a demo test for a prototype concept of Wish, with a shape shifting Starboy. The animator in the comments mentioned that they were going for a "2.5D" animation style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=aWqhn6 ... e=youtu.be

It's so bizarre to me. Many Disney movies went through complicated production processes and had whole storylines and characters thrown out of the window to make space for new iterations. And I'm more than happy with, say, Aladdin or Brother Bear we got and never wished to see the original versions because I trusted the filmmakers that they couldn't get them to work, and that the end results ended up being the best versions of those particular stories. Not so much with Wish because pretty much everything I've seen and read makes the original storyline so much better and enticing, and even fan theories are more pleasing than what we got. It also doesn't help to see concept art brought to life in these fan-made videos; some truly wonderful imagery that is lacking from the final movie. Thank you both for posting those links.