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Nausica's biggest fan wrote:

Sunset Girl wrote:So wasn't that the video release that cashed in on the timing of the Disney release? And people only bought it to feel their mermaid fix until the "real" one came out?

nope on the case it says 1978 way before disneys

Note I said "video release." Well yeah, I know the actual movie was initially released in 1978, but the video release I'm referring to is from 1990. I remember this clearly; I was even tempted to buy one but I got to watch it at a neighbors house. . . I was glad I didn't buy it after all. That wave of videos were purposefully released after the success of the theatrical Diseny version and before the home video release of the Disney version.

So yes, even though their film came first, they cashed in on the popularity of the Disney version. Not that I blame them!

I should give it another look; maybe I'd have more appreciation for it now. I didn't like anime back then.

Nausica's biggest fan wrote:do you think the peolple at disney watched and wrote things down to use in their movie because thats not right

I think both movies read the book and got ideas from that. It's a stretch saying Disney copied another version when infact, this is the most "original" adaptation of the book.

In a very strict sense of the word, material is being "stolen" all the time. At this point in time, truly original material would be the exception, not the rule.

Particularly when we're dealing with adaptations of old stories, of course...

Lars Vermundsberget wrote:In a very strict sense of the word, material is being "stolen" all the time. At this point in time, truly original material would be the exception, not the rule.

Particularly when we're dealing with adaptations of old stories, of course...

So true. Even shows and movies that are billed as being original, are nothing more then adaptations. Lion King is an adaption of Hamlet with lions. Stories like Dumbo, Aladdin, etc are underdog stories. Nearly nothing is entirely original. And aruging about 2 adaptations of a centuries old story is essentially redudent and baseless. Neither the anime or the Disney version were original, because both were adapted from the same exact story. It's like saying Lord of the Rings triology copies the animated versions. It just is pointless.

Little Red Henski wrote:

DisneyFan 2000 wrote: Yep. Same goes for Atlantis...

Yeah, but nobody gives a damn about Atlants.

Just for the record, The Lion King was probably inspired by Hamlet, and besides, they wouldn't be ripping off, because I think Shakespeare plays are in the general copyright domain.

People need to learn about the cycle of creativity. People need to realize that there's no such thing as a wholly original piece of art, chances are, somewhere in the world's stream of consciousness, a very similar piece has been made. I think the same goes for Disney.

However, I still have my suspicious about the whole Kimba thing...

but who cares?
The milky lion sucks, and Simba rules.

IMO, The Lion King is a thousand times best than that whitey

Not trying to make this into another Kimba debate. But I personally like the premise of Kimba. Lion King totally cut out humans, which was also nice. But Kimba deals with the real problem of poachers. Not just poaching for ivory and skin, but also for the black pet market and sport hunting. It also dealt with the issue of deforestation, burning, and agriculture versus nature. There are certainly things Lion King and Kimba had in common, but while Lion King was more coming of age, Kimba was more envirmomentalist with a pencil and some paint. Take away the opinions on the debate, the animation, the characters...and what do you have? A great story about COEXISTING with nature. It was never humans are bad, animals are good. It showed good and bad in both and that rather then take sides as to who was right, instead, we should simply coexist with respect for one another. And not just with nature, but with eachother as human beings. So no, "whitey" does not suck, IMO.

Siren wrote:I think you are making a big deal of NOTHING.

Both movies are an ADAPTATION of Hans Christian Anderson's story. IMO, I am sure he would like the anime version which stayed more true to his original story, but that is it exactly. While the anime version was true, and thus a TRAGIC story, Disney's version took a different route and reworked all the tragic elements to give a HAPPY ending for Ariel and the prince. You truely have no basis on this and you need to just let it go before this becomes a Great Mouse Detective 2 thread all over again. No more mole hills into mountains please.

As much as I love the Disney version, I'm quite sure Hans Andersen would despise it as it was a very personal and painful experience for him when he wrote the story.
I assume that seeing his sorrow and tragedy transformed into a musical comedy with a happy end would probably not please the guy. However, I think he'd like Don Bluth's Thumbelina which sticks pretty closely to the classic fairy tale.