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The Black Cauldron






o yeah....movies with Hilary Duff RULE!!!!!!!!!!! shes the best actress and singer

Alice in Wonderland or Robin Hood

Alice - I just dislike the main character sooooooo much (plus the episodic structure)

Robin Hood because of the lame recycled animal designs (plus I think having them all as animals is a silly idea which harms the storytelling).

And then people say Disney today is uncreative. I've yet to see them using the same character designs in three "Original" movies.

2099net wrote:Alice in Wonderland or Robin Hood

Alice - I just dislike the main character sooooooo much (plus the episodic structure)

Robin Hood because of the lame recycled animal designs (plus I think having them all as animals is a silly idea which harms the storytelling).

And then people say Disney today is uncreative. I've yet to see them using the same character designs in three "Original" movies.

Well, I hate to disagree with Mr Net, and I know his feelings on 'Alice' in particular are quite strong, but c'mon - WORST Disney film ever made? There have to be at least a dozen Hilary Duff/Lohan vehicles we've already forgotten about that sucked ass in the last few years.

In fact, I'm willing to lump most Disney live action since 1980 into that category.

Besides, we all know Cinderella is the most boring piece of crap Disney has ever churned out.

singerguy04 wrote: My problem with it was this... it was of less quality than what i'm used to from the Disney name. I mean you can blame it on the time it was made, and i'd probably agree but it doesn't seem like the people who made this movie spent enough time with it. It had great potential, I thought, but nobody capitalized on it. That's probably why even a lot of the public has no clue it exists, or at least a lot of the public that I have run across. I almost wish they would re-make this movie, even though that would be blaspheme. lol

I hear ya there, and I can understand where you're coming from. Besides, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

But here's where I'm coming from. This film is very much a product of extremely talented but very inexperienced people that were maybe trying a little too hard to shake the then poisonous Disney image. It was in production for over ten years, and I'll be the first to admit that it missed something along the way. But I don't think a lot of fans realize its importance as a part of the Disney line of animated films.

See, I used to be a virtual expert on the film (well, as much as I possibly could be without working at Disney or even seeing the film for myself), and this was supposed to be the Snow White of the new generation of artists. The previously released Fox and the Hound was the transition piece, which I'm sure you know involved both the animators that had worked side by side with Walt and the new artists that were to take over and eventually create the Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast and what-not. The new artists did their best to create something more adult than the average Disney fare, but it fell somewhere between the lines.

Back in my "pen pal-ing" days, I used to mail out fliers and petitions to raise awareness of the film in hopes of seeing it released on video. Even though I was an enormous Disney fan back in 1985, somehow I remained completely unaware that it even existed until about 1990. Granted, I was only nine years old back in '85, but still; what kind of advertising campaign could they have possibly had if someone like me completely missed it?

I was happy to find out even more info on it once I got access to the internet, and added my name to an online petition that eventually became credited by the Chicago Tribune as a major contributing factor of the first VHS release in the US.

Why is this film so special to me? For one thing, Princess Eilonwy is the first real Disney princess that is extremely self-possessed, a new tradtion that would continue with Ariel, Belle, Jasmine, etc. This film also has some great sequences in it. The gwythaints (sp?) and Cauldron Born are genuinely frightening! I love the medieval feel of the film, which was admittedly a popular concept in the eighties. Fflewdder is a fun character voiced by the great Nigel Hawthorne, who later lent his voice to Professor Porter in Tarzan.

And something that I find the most interesting of all is that this was the first animated film from Disney that was edited for content before its initial release. To this day, I wonder if the footage of the Cauldron Born strangling the life out of a henchman still exists.

Anyway, the Disney artists learned a lot on this film, and without the role it played for the studio we wouldn't have had the great Disney heyday in the late eighties and early/mid nineties.

All the DTV "movies" are craps except for LionKing1/2 which aws uite funny and PeterPan 2which was okay.

In all the classics, my least favorite would be Dinosaur, amazing for its technology, but the stroy was non existent, moreover i HATE this lemurian.

Isidour wrote:Only one??

man, that´s tougth...
I mean, I dislike the black cauldron, home on the range,the cheapquels...

mmm...
The black cauldron

No songs, characters than seems more cheap than the supermarket-brand cola. Very bad designs--looks like the old productions of some unknown studio-- and the plot just no of a Disny movie

yeah that about does it for me and why I am not very crazy about the black cauldronI know it could have been so much better. That plau the horned scared the leaving crap out of me always.....

Oh and I know I run the risky of possibly getting shot after what I am about t say but I was never very crazy about Snow White. I mean i enjoy watching it but i is not a movie like Aladdin , TLK that I canjust watch over and over again all the time. I know it started it all but it never really did to much for me. And just to clearify I in no way hate it but just dont care for it.

singerguy04 wrote:I mean you can blame it on the time it was made, and i'd probably agree but it doesn't seem like the people who made this movie spent enough time with it.

On the contrary - as strange as it seems, it took a looong time, about ten years. The problem was rather that they didn't quite know where they were going with it.

Loomis wrote:Besides, we all know Cinderella is the most boring piece of crap Disney has ever churned out.

Perhaps you misspelled "most awesome"? In the top ten, at least.

I will keep it to the animated classics.

The Black Cauldron is really the only one that isunwatchable.

Robin Hood comes in second.

Weakest platinum...Lady and the Tramp.

Hmm...as much as I love Disney, I've got to admit that there have been a few clunkers from them. Treasure Planet is one. It had good animation, but the story was a piece of poo and I came closed to taking out the DVD. Same with Atlantis: The Lost Empire. I thought both Planet and Atlantis were tragically bad as the directors on those films made some of my all time favourites from Disney. I'm also not that fond of some of the sequels and some of the gooey live action fare. I can also say that I'll survive if I never see Hercules, The Fox and the Hound and Melody Time again.

Loomis wrote:

2099net wrote:Alice in Wonderland or Robin Hood

Alice - I just dislike the main character sooooooo much (plus the episodic structure)

Robin Hood because of the lame recycled animal designs (plus I think having them all as animals is a silly idea which harms the storytelling).

And then people say Disney today is uncreative. I've yet to see them using the same character designs in three "Original" movies.

Well, I hate to disagree with Mr Net, and I know his feelings on 'Alice' in particular are quite strong, but c'mon - WORST Disney film ever made? There have to be at least a dozen Hilary Duff/Lohan vehicles we've already forgotten about that sucked ass in the last few years.

In fact, I'm willing to lump most Disney live action since 1980 into that category.

Besides, we all know Cinderella is the most boring piece of crap Disney has ever churned out.

To both Netty and Loomis for your choices, shame on you! Alice in Wonderland, Cinderella and Robin Hood rock da house!

Cinderella 2 is bad, yes, and so is Lizzie McGuire (show's better). But the worst has to be The Country Bears. *HURLS*

Lars Vermundsberget wrote:

singerguy04 wrote:I mean you can blame it on the time it was made, and i'd probably agree but it doesn't seem like the people who made this movie spent enough time with it.

On the contrary - as strange as it seems, it took a looong time, about ten years. The problem was rather that they didn't quite know where they were going with it.

Well, there is a difference in spending 10 years working on the movie and the movie ending up looking like you spent 10 years on it. Maybe the story and animation style kept changing, and that is really what accounts for the ammount of time. Could it also be that funding wasn't all that great? I understand it's importance in the Disney line, but that doesn't mean i have to like it, lol.

Wow Nobody has brought the crappiest movie (I don't even have words for it) Tarzan and Jane This whole story is crap and what about this animation and still they are selling like 27$ At least I had it in a 2 pack Beurk beurk beurk and beurk

Dan05 wrote: The Nightmare Before Christmas

Loomis wrote:Besides, we all know Cinderella is the most boring piece of crap Disney has ever churned out.

Deffinately Cinderella II Dreams Come True

Man!

Some of you guy's are pretty harsh being loyal Disney fans!

I like: The Black Cauldron

Cinderella

Nightmare before Christmas

Alice in Wonderland

There all great cartoons in my eyes!

TheLittleMerman wrote:

What's so great about it

Hi I'm Tommy and I'm new to this Board anyway I Dislike these Disney Films
Classics:Black Cauldron(What is so great about it No songs Gurgi was the only good thing about it) & Fantasia(The Most Boring Disney movie to date only Sorcerer's Apprentence was good)
Sequels:Pocahontas 2:Journey to a New World(I Hate this movie only the songs & Meeko, Filt & Percy were the only good things about it)
Live-Action:Lizzie McGuire Movie(I HATE Hillary Duff)

Sorry to keep with this... but it seems none of you saw Home on the Range, right?

Dan05 wrote:

TheLittleMerman wrote:

What's so great about it

Can I assume you're referring to The Nightmare Before Christmas?

I thought the movie wasn't great, but it wasn't terrible either.
It was a new design, and it was surely interesting! The storyline...was hmm. okay.

But I wouldn't call it one of Disney's worst...
Some sequels fall under that before TNBC qualifies as worst.

Evil Genie Jafar wrote:Sorry to keep with this... but it seems none of you saw Home on the Range, right?

I've seen it..and I thought it was okay. Not "worst", not "great" but okay.
Where have you ever seen a movie with cows as the main characters!? (maybe there is..but right now at the top of my head, I can't think of one) The story was a bit..off, but I had a few laughs every now and then.

Okay, so that wasn't a good explanation...where's ichabod[/i]!?