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Well, Fox & the Hound was the last film that any of Walt's Nine Old Men worked on before they retired, and was the beginning of a new generation of animators. It's like the passing of the torch in a way. After Walt died, which was during the production of Jungle Book and Aristocats, the animators had to work without his guidance. Robin Hood and the Rescuers were smash hits, but by the Rescuers, most of the Nine Old Men were either retired or they passed on. This film is the beginning of a new era and a new generation of animators like Andreas Deja and Glen Keane, who created new classics like the Little Mermaid, Beauty & the Beast, Aladdin and the Lion King and continue to make new classics for years to come.

O.K..... I might have overdone it here, but it's to prove a point.

I've just discovered that The Fox and the Hound's DVD does not contain the movie in its OAR! It is verifiably a pan and scan version of the film:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082406/technical

I know, IMDb is for evil people, but I had to show this.

imdb is far from always correct, but it seems that MMboy and others are right about F&H being P&S - unfortunately.

A while ago there was a lengthy thread that went pretty far in clearing up the issues with the aspect ratios of the 60s-70s Disney animated features, but I haven't been able to relocate it yet. It could have been on this forum or the Home Theater Forum.

Lars Vermundsberget wrote:imdb is far from always correct, but it seems that MMboy and others are right about F&H being P&S - unfortunately.

A while ago there was a lengthy thread that went pretty far in clearing up the issues with the aspect ratios of the 60s-70s Disney animated features, but I haven't been able to relocate it yet. It could have been on this forum or the Home Theater Forum.

Sorry to drag this discussion out of the woodwork, but I'm very curious now about the OARs. I just watch the commentary for Sleeping Beauty and the historian on it said that the widescreen format was not used by Walt Disney Pictures until The Black Cauldron. Now, of course my question is... is The Rescuers actually animated for the full screen but letterboxed for widescreen? or was it actually produced this way, and the historian have his facts out of line a little. I would find it very strange for a Disney historian (sanctioned by Disney nonetheless) to be saying one thing, when it is far from true (after all 9 years, and another film seperate the two, which is quite a bit of time)

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This film shows that any race or animal group could be friends but in real life a fox would have killed the hound.


not true- seriously, if the pup had no mum to show him how to kill the fox, and the fox had no mum to show him how to be afraid of the pup, then odds are they would have got along.

animals of different breeds, even enemies, can get along, even foster each others young.

it might not be a lifelong bond, but it does happen more often than you think.

Saying they wouldn't get along is like saying you can't raise a cat and dog together and they get along. I've personally raised my dogs, cats and rabbits together and they all get along. I often leave them to their own devices for hours, out of cages and out of my sight. Never had a problem. Cats raised early with mice, rats other rodents, birds, etc can get along with them just fine. Watch Amazing Animal Videos on Animal Planet on any given day and they have some wacky animal friendhship. Like the snake, the mouse, and the parakeet. The snake eats all other mice, but this one mouse. They sleep together and the mouse grooms the snake. And the parakeet somehow got into the middle of it too. Another story had a cat who hunted mice yet it saved the life of this one mouse they found in the closet and they sleep together, groom eachother, and share the same bowl of milk. Just about any 2 species can co-exist if the animal learns early in life or is simply willing for no aparent reason, only known to that animal. Perfectly plausible for a fox and hound to get along. Even more so then a dog and cat, since a fox and hound are within the same species.

About the movie itself, I'm half and half. There were times it was great, but then the music was terrible and the slapstick humour out of nowhere was annoying. The entire bear-fight scene was awesome though. I just wish they laid off the silly humour and stuck to the story.

On the whole idea of it all not being that good, the animation team was breaking up then. Don Bluth took a bunch of people out. So that probably contributed for it not being all that good.

Widow Tweed was an awesome character, in her own right. I mean, how many other Disney women have you ever seen pull a loaded gun from a guy and shoot out his radiator because he'd made her very angry?

I always liked Fox and The Hound. I even got the DVD when it came out.

Jayden wrote:

Lars Vermundsberget wrote:imdb is far from always correct, but it seems that MMboy and others are right about F&H being P&S - unfortunately.

A while ago there was a lengthy thread that went pretty far in clearing up the issues with the aspect ratios of the 60s-70s Disney animated features, but I haven't been able to relocate it yet. It could have been on this forum or the Home Theater Forum.

Sorry to drag this discussion out of the woodwork, but I'm very curious now about the OARs. I just watch the commentary for Sleeping Beauty and the historian on it said that the widescreen format was not used by Walt Disney Pictures until The Black Cauldron. Now, of course my question is... is The Rescuers actually animated for the full screen but letterboxed for widescreen? or was it actually produced this way, and the historian have his facts out of line a little. I would find it very strange for a Disney historian (sanctioned by Disney nonetheless) to be saying one thing, when it is far from true (after all 9 years, and another film seperate the two, which is quite a bit of time)

I think the historian meant that Cinemascope wasn't used until The Black Cauldron. That would make a sense.

Jeremy wrote: I think the historian meant that Cinemascope wasn't used until The Black Cauldron. That would make a sense.

Actually, Lady and the Tramp was shot in Cinemascope, while both Sleeping Beauty and Black Cauldron were shot in 70mm. From what I gather, both processes create the same aspect ratio (in which the image is twice as wide as a "normal" 35mm film) but they are achieved in different ways. For 70mm, the actual film is twice as wide as 35mm, and for Cinemascope, special lenses are used to "squeeze" the image onto 35mm film, and another lens "stretches" the image back to normal from the projecter onto the screen.

In other words, the Balck Cauldrom was definitely not the first widescreen film from Disney, any way you look at it. So I don't know what that so-called historian was thinking. Ads from Black Cauldron even boasted that it was the first Disney film to be shot in 70mm since Sleeping Beauty!

Sunset Girl wrote:

Jeremy wrote: I think the historian meant that Cinemascope wasn't used until The Black Cauldron. That would make a sense.

Actually, Lady and the Tramp was shot in Cinemascope, while both Sleeping Beauty and Black Cauldron were shot in 70mm. From what I gather, both processes create the same aspect ratio (in which the image is twice as wide as a "normal" 35mm film) but they are achieved in different ways. For 70mm, the actual film is twice as wide as 35mm, and for Cinemascope, special lenses are used to "squeeze" the image onto 35mm film, and another lens "stretches" the image back to normal from the projecter onto the screen.

In other words, the Balck Cauldrom was definitely not the first widescreen film from Disney, any way you look at it. So I don't know what that so-called historian was thinking. Ads from Black Cauldron even boasted that it was the first Disney film to be shot in 70mm since Sleeping Beauty!

I think I am being a little mis-interpreted here. What the historian said was that widescreen was not used again until The Black Cauldron. He mentioned the fact that Lady And The Tramp and Sleeping Beauty were Cinemascope (I hope he would notice Sleeping Beauty, otherwise he was working with his eyes closed!). My question is, was widescreen not used again until The Rescuers or The Black Cauldron? Which would determine the aspect ratio of The Fox And The Hound

Jayden wrote:I think I am being a little mis-interpreted here. What the historian said was that widescreen was not used again until The Black Cauldron. [/i]

Whoops; sorry about that! My apologies.

As far as I know, that is correct; TBC was the first widescreen Disney film since Sleeping Beauty, at least when it comes to that particular aspect ratio.

Todd_star wrote:I love it very much!
I get this special feeling watching it!
The film is very gloomy, but I enjoy it!

This is one of my favs! It has that classic feel to it to me. It kind of reminds me of bambi in some strange way..

I like the story to it but the movie isn't the best, but nonetheless a great Disney classic

I haven't seen this in a looooong time so I don't remember a thing. I wonder if I should just buy the DVD now, but the Pan and Scan does bother me...

I watched this the other day, and watching the opening credits and the quality of the animation made me forget that this was a Disney movie. To me, it felt like I was watching a knock-off of Rock-A-Doodle or All Dogs, both of which are knock-offs, in and of themselves.

I think that the animations great. It is definetely different from some other disney movies, but I like it. Unfortunately, I hate how Todd looks on the Fox and the Hound too. Copper looks alright.

I searched for a Fox and the Hound thread,and found this.

Fox and the Hound is my FAVORITE Disney movie ever made. I don't exactly know why,but I just love it!

Altough lacking in certain areas i find it harsh to say that the fox and the Hound is to be among my least favorite disney movies.
However it's poor sequel is an entirely different matter

I think this is an okay Disney movie, but not one of my favorites. I refuse to watch the sequel.

the fox and the hound is a wonderful movie about the suburbs.it may turn some people off with its premise.it brings us to a place of no hustle and bustle.it shows us what its like for an ordinary life of peace and quiet in a farm. i reminds me of my grandparents hometown. the bear sequence captivated me since i w2as small with its powerful animation.always looked forward to it in the disneyland show.

and this movie is the same age as i am! so it holds a special place to me.