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mvealf wrote:There was 1 release after Tarzan, The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea, actually released before any U.S. version.

All right, if I knew I probably would have forgotten anyway. I was just thinking of the "Classics".

mvealf wrote:Someone recently sold the Japanese LD of Melody Time on eBay for about $78.

I didn't notice. I guess I'll have to pay more attention to eBay from now on. MMM is offered at $300-400 right now, but $78 starts to look like something.

Lars Vermundsberget wrote:

mvealf wrote:Someone recently sold the Japanese LD of Melody Time on eBay for about $78.

I didn't notice. I guess I'll have to pay more attention to eBay from now on. MMM is offered at $300-400 right now, but $78 starts to look like something.

I guess the Japanese LD of MMM is worth more because it is the only uncensored version available. Melody Time is now uncensored on PAL DVD, so that LD doesn't get as much. Or maybe it didn't get as much because the seller didn't list the whole title, but just as "1948 Disney Animated Cartoon Musical". I was wrong about the selling price, it was $89 seen<p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... /p>Another LD worth mentioning is "Mickey's Golden Jubilee". There are 2 different versions, 1 in Japan and 1 in Hong Kong. It's a documentary that was later updated, one with a copyright date of 1978 and the other from 1987.

ValenciaJoe wrote:Does anyone know if the Japanese DVDs (especially those of the theme parks) are all region encoded (allowing all players to play those DVDs)?
Thanks in advance!

Disney doesn't make all-region DVDs. All Japanese Disney DVDs are NTSC region 2.

Quote: "I guess the Japanese LD of MMM is worth more because it is the only uncensored version available. Melody Time is now uncensored on PAL DVD, so that LD doesn't get as much."

I've used to think of the LDs of MMM and MT as pretty much the same deal (same degree of rarity or interest value), but it could be that MMM is in fact worth more nowadays. The Japanese LD of Fun And Fancy Free used to be counted together with MMM and MT before the US LD was released some time around 1997. Ten years ago the three of them could sell for $1500-2000 each, as far as I understand...

Quote: "Or maybe it didn't get as much because the seller didn't list the whole title, but just as "1948 Disney Animated Cartoon Musical"."

Could be. It seems to me that the seller didn't really manage to figure out the title of this Japanese laserdisc.

Lars Vermundsberget wrote:The Japanese LD of Fun And Fancy Free used to be counted together with MMM and MT before the US LD was released some time around 1997. Ten years ago the three of them could sell for $1500-2000 each, as far as I understand...

I actually had someone from England offer me $3,000 for my Japanese laserdisc of Melody Time, back in the day, before the VHS and DVD censored release. I turned him down, still don't want to sell it

The other high-priced rare Japanese LD was the theatrical length version of The Reluctant Dragon, which once sold for $700
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mvealf, seeing the scan of your laserdisc cover got me thinking.. when I watched the Reluctant Dragon on the treasure I recall thinking that the dragon looked kind of cyanish which I also see on the LD cover. Is that its color scheme on the LD too? At the time I thought it might been partially because of the color error that might happen when transfering film to video since the green phosphour on current TV sets is so greatly removed from the saturated original NTSC one or the Technicolor Wratten #58 green (which leads also to green go in the opposite direction: Kirk's green command shirt mutates towards some kind of yelowish gold)

deathie mouse wrote:mvealf, seeing the scan of your laserdisc cover got me thinking.. when I watched the Reluctant Dragon on the treasure I recall thinking that the dragon looked kind of cyanish which I also see on the LD cover. Is that its color scheme on the LD too? At the time I thought it might been partially because of the color error that might happen when transfering film to video since the green phosphour on current TV sets is so greatly removed from the saturated original NTSC one or the Technicolor Wratten #58 green (which leads also to green go in the opposite direction: Kirk's green command shirt mutates towards some kind of yelowish gold)

I know that all of the recent restorations of Disney films have altered the color, to (supposedly) match the artist's original intent and correct the errors that you get from converting to video, age, etc. Alice in Wonderland, for example, has at least 4 different video releases: the original print and 3 different restorations. It is interesting to compare the different versions, some are too orange looking, others too pastel. That's why some prefer the original untampered with prints. The Japanese laserdiscs are the only way to see the untampered versions of many Disney movies. I haven't compared The Reluctant Dragon LD with the DVD, but I can try to post some screen snapshots if you want.

I'd like to announce that I just got my copy of the Make Mine Music laserdisc!

I think it was from the same seller that sold the MT LD for $89. It was also listed on eBay without the actual title. I had to pay more, but not a whole lot. I think I got a somewhat reasonable deal, even though the disc has scratches and the cover looks quite worn.

Lars Vermundsberget wrote:I'd like to announce that I just got my copy of the Make Mine Music laserdisc!

I think it was from the same seller that sold the MT LD for $89. It was also listed on eBay without the actual title. I had to pay more, but not a whole lot. I think I got a somewhat reasonable deal, even though the disc has scratches and the cover looks quite worn.

Yes, you got a good deal, even for a worn copy. I saw that one and was going to bid on it. Then I saw you bid on it, so I decided not to give you competition

I still like watching this disc. I bought it back in the 80's when most people had never even heard of it. I remember the thrill

mvealf wrote:

Lars Vermundsberget wrote:I'd like to announce that I just got my copy of the Make Mine Music laserdisc!

I think it was from the same seller that sold the MT LD for $89. It was also listed on eBay without the actual title. I had to pay more, but not a whole lot. I think I got a somewhat reasonable deal, even though the disc has scratches and the cover looks quite worn.

Yes, you got a good deal, even for a worn copy. I saw that one and was going to bid on it. Then I saw you bid on it, so I decided not to give you competition

Well, then I guess I have reason to be grateful. Thanks!

I've played it already, and it plays as good as can be expected.

i own none in fact i just lerned what a laserdisc was about 4 years ago

I don't any but I knew what they were. Not knowing what they were until four years ago? That's not bad since most people I know don't even know now what a laserdisc is.

When I was growing up I can't remember laserdiscs being sold anywhere but one store and I always wanted to get one just as a collector. I never did get one though. I was too young and had no money.

None. Laserdiscs were a huge joke. Some people think they are digital but tis is not true. They are analog. The sound is digital but thats about it. And laserdiscs degrade in a different way then vhs do. I am so glad they didnt last very long but they actually lasted longer then I originally had thought...

I remeber laserdiscs quite well. I never owned one, nor a laserdisc player, but i remember the video store in our town rented them. I'd always go look at the covers, just because there was more to the image on them than on the videos. That was the same video store where I rented Little mermaid every saturday!hahaha
By the way, if someone was willing to do me a huge favor, i'm looking for some scans of laserdisc covers. they'd need to be pretty big images, im still working on my custom dvd's and the extended images that aren't bogged with text and logos would really help for editing purposes! Pm or e-mail me if you can help!
-Ryan

Daelex wrote:None. Laserdiscs were a huge joke. Some people think they are digital but tis is not true. They are analog. The sound is digital but thats about it. And laserdiscs degrade in a different way then vhs do. I am so glad they didnt last very long but they actually lasted longer then I originally had thought...

I could agree that LDs are huge - but joke?

The fact that "laserdiscs degrade in a different way then vhs do" is sometimes bad, but usually good.

Not quite sure what you mean by "didnt last very long", but they were on the market for about as many years as VHS so far. They came just before VHS but disappeared quite fast after DVD had its breakthrough.

Daelex wrote:None. Laserdiscs were a huge joke. Some people think they are digital but tis is not true. They are analog. The sound is digital but thats about it. And laserdiscs degrade in a different way then vhs do. I am so glad they didnt last very long but they actually lasted longer then I originally had thought...

You must not realize that there wouldn't be DVD if laserdisc didn't come first. DVD is just the next generation. I'm still enjoying my high-def laserdiscs (which has both digital picture and sound), something that DVD has yet to do. There are also tons of uncensored laserdiscs and 20 years worth of movies that haven't made it to DVD.

And why exactly are you so glad they didnt last very long
??

My LD Collection:

Snow White
Pinocchio (red box)
Fantasia (blue box)
Dumbo
Bambi
The Three Caballeros/Saludos Amigos Box
Fun and Fancy Free
Adventures Of Ichabod And Mr. Toad
Cinderella
Alice in Wonderland Box
Peter Pan
Lady And The Tramp
Sleeping Beauty
101 Dalmatians
The Sword In The Stone
The Jungle Book

The Aristocats
Robin Hood
The Rescuers
Oliver and Co.
The Little Mermaid
Beauty And The Beast
Aladdin
The Lion King

20000 Leagues Under The Sea (Exclusive Archive Collection)
The Swiss Family Robinson (ditto)
Mary Poppins (ditto)

Treasure Island
The Story Of Robin Hood
The Sword And The Rose
Johnny Tremain
Old Yeller
The Light In The Forest
Darby O´Gill And The Little People
Third Man On The Mountain
Toby Tyler
Kidnapped
Pollyanna
The Absent-Minded Professor
The Parent Trap
Babes In Toyland
In Search Of The Castaways
Son Of Flubber
The Incredible Journey
The Three Lives of Thomasina
The Moon Spinners
That Darn Cat
Blackbeard´s Ghost

... it costed me quite an effort to start the whole collection again on DVD, but "times are changing" and today it´s dvd (I couldn´t live without the great TTs) - let´s see what it is in the future

In my opinion Laserdiscs weren't a joke, specially cus in my mall there were quite a few stores that sold them (Specs and Suncoast had huge racks of them) and with 10,000 US titles available from SEVERAL mail order stores, and Laserdiscs being aimed more at the movie fan market many of those were de creme de la creme (Criterion special editions, deluxe Universal and MGM boxes, Disney Super Aluminium boxed editions including Hardcover coffee table books, 12" x 12" booklets, OST CDs and of course the discs themeselves in CAV for complete full motion manipulation of animation with a jog wheel, from NUMBERED frame by frame still motion to 3x fast speed (72frames per second) totally fluid motion forward and reverse shown at NTSCs (live looking) 60Hz refresh rate and loads of supplements (some of them never showing up on DVD). It's true the picture was analog and it's slighly softer than DVD on the horizontal resolution dpmt. but both DVD and LD use the same NTSC 480 pixel based vertical resolution (vertical scanning lines on a TV systen by their discrete nature are the equivalent to digital pixels)
And on the sound department well appart from having the ability to have different soundtracks/commentraries their Stereo Digital uncompressed PCM soundtracks are better than DD 2.0 stereo 13 to 1 compressed soundtracks and of course LD's were the first and only place for a few years where you could get discrete 5.1 multichannel soundtracks like DolbyDigital 5.1 and DTS 5.1 (the latter always in it's full maximum bps rate)

And of course, presenting Widescreen movies in their OAR was originated and stablished in LDs

On top of that there were the Japanese LDs which weren't region coded and played perfectly w/o any trouble, so there was a looooooot of programming available in addition to the US titles (just ask mvealf )

LDs were 'round even BEFORE CDs.

Heh if they had done double layer Digital mpeg2 Laserdiscs instead of DVDs we would have had 100GB DLDs with SuperHDTV since 7-8 years ago

and Blue-Ray LD's would be 600GBs...

Amd in you added mpeg4 compression you coulld fit TEN 70mm movies with all their resolution

and..

*deathie fades as he keeps walking towards the horizon dreaming LD dreams

I added the smileys...

Daelex wrote:None. Laserdiscs were a huge joke.

Some people think they are digital but tis is not true. They are analog. The sound is digital but thats about it.
See point #1 below.
And laserdiscs degrade in a different way then vhs do.
See point #2 below.
I am so glad they didnt last very long but they actually lasted longer then I originally had thought...
Again, see point below (#3.)

Nice threadcr@p...

#1. Laserdiscs did use analog video, however, they provide about double (410-425) the lines of resolution as VHS (240.) Since the video is uncompressed analog, LD had none of the compression artifacts that were present in early DVDs, especially animation. There were up to three soundtracks available (at least on my player) - Analog Left, Analog Right, and Digital. The tracks were CD quality. Dolby Digital (AC-3) and DTS were available.

#2. Ideally, Laserdiscs don't degrade at all, while VHS degrades every time you play it, and while it is sitting on the shelf. However, some Laserdiscs had a manufacturing defect - caused by either shoddy glue, or air bubbles trapped between the layers of the disc - which caused disc rot. Some CDs and DVDs have also experienced disc rot.

#3. Laserdisc technology was first released in 1978, and the format lasted until 2000 or so. Compact Discs are actually developed from Laserdisc technology. AFAIK, there were around 1 million LD players in the USA, while Japan had about 4 million. According to Wikipedia.org, there was also Laserdisc technology that would display 1080i images, and there were a very few number of Anamorphic discs produced (these required a widescreen TV to play.) Laserdiscs offered jitter-free pause, slow motion, reverse, and fast forward, and other video "tricks." There are still thousands of movies available on Laserdisc that haven't been released on DVD, and many of them may never be released.

Daelex wrote:None. Laserdiscs were a huge joke. Some people think they are digital but tis is not true. They are analog. The sound is digital but thats about it. And laserdiscs degrade in a different way then vhs do. I am so glad they didnt last very long but they actually lasted longer then I originally had thought...

Are you really as ignorant as your posts make you out to be? Sheesh. It seems that you know nothing about any of the subjects that you write about.

TLK