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awallaceunc wrote:I really wish Pluto was only one volume. I suspect some serious milking going on here, but I could be wrong. At any rate, it needs to add the 'Volume 1' and drop the 'Complete' if that's the case.

-Aaron

Yeah, I don't really get why they'd split it either, save for money-grubbing purposes. The Compete Goofy had 46 shorts on it, and Pluto's "title card" shorts number 48, so they could do it in one release. Those Pluto title shorts started in 1937 though, and the cover indicates there's at least one short from 1930 (and probably more in between)... So I'm thinking that they're doing a bit of "mix-n'-match," like they did with Living Color Vol. 2. Putting in some shorts that contain Pluto, but don't necessarily star him. Therefore upping the total number of shorts. *shrug*

...I wanna list! Now!

awallaceunc wrote: Well, the biggest problem is saying "Complete" and not saying Volume One, as that is very misleading. I suppose "The Complete Pluto: Volume One" wouldn't be so bad, but I'd rather 'complete' be reserved for sets that are actually complete. That probably just comes from the precedent set by The Complete Goofy that I would like to see maintained.

So using the word 'complete' and not stating volume one is misleading? Does this apply to the Mickey Black and White? It's a two part set, but Volume one doesn't say so (this bugs me so much!, does it bug anyone else)?

So, let us say that they release "The Complete Pluto", and "The Complete Pluto Volume 2" The problem is that the first one doesn't say volume one?

What if they release "The Complete Pluto Volume 1" and "The Complete Pluto Volume 2"....no problem there, right?

DisneyGirl wrote: So using the word 'complete' and not stating volume one is misleading? Does this apply to the Mickey Black and White? It's a two part set, but Volume one doesn't say so (this bugs me so much!, does it bug anyone else)?

Yeah, they should have used Volume 1 there. At least it doesn't say "complete," though.

DisneyGirl wrote:So, let us say that they release "The Complete Pluto", and "The Complete Pluto Volume 2" The problem is that the first one doesn't say volume one?

Right, because the first one isn't complete.

DisneyGirl wrote:What if they release "The Complete Pluto Volume 1" and "The Complete Pluto Volume 2"....no problem there, right?

Well, I personally still won't be crazy about it, but I'll let it slide.

None of this matters, though. All that really matters is disk art.

-Aaron

Dave Bossert said as far as he knows Roy's signature will be on this new wave of Treasures. Of course that is very subject to change.

Luke wrote:

Paka wrote:Why are Pluto's ears orange? O_o

Heh... well, I hope that maybe the Pluto WDT will be the complete set of his shorts... the cover art doesn't specify a "Volume 1" - unless this is just basic, preliminary cover art...

The cover doesn't, but Disney's files do. Bummer.

Anyhow, I'll post some pics of content soon.

How soon? Can't wait.

dont like how pluto loks on the cover, but nonetheless, great coverart and I cant wait to get them

I still think the Vol 1 on Pluto is a mistake. It only needs to be in the official press release by accident, and all of the other Disney information points would copy that, plus of course all of the Internet DVD sites who use the press release as the basis for their information.

I predict that Pluto will be complete in 1 release.

awallaceunc wrote:

DisneyGirl wrote:What if they release "The Complete Pluto Volume 1" and "The Complete Pluto Volume 2"....no problem there, right?

Well, I personally still won't be crazy about it, but I'll let it slide.

None of this matters, though. All that really matters is disk art.

-Aaron

It matters, but not as much as his orange ears, that bugs the stuffing out of me.

Looks like it's the complete Pluto from 1930 - 1947

Looks like they're going to put all shorts with Pluto in them to have a second volume. The treasures are becoming less and less like treasures and more like a marketing scheme

I was wondering how these coverarts may look, and Im not dissapointed at all. Cant wait to have them at my collection....

Nice to see the cover art. Thanks for posting it!

Class316 wrote:Looks like it the complete Pluto from 1930 - 1947

Looks like they're going to put all shorts with Pluto in them to have a second volume. The treasures are becoming less and less like treasures and more like a marketing scheme

How sad. First we lose the numbering, then they make PLuto's ears orange, then they try to rip us off double dipping even with this.

Woah, look what I missed...

I saw the covers online late Sunday night and just realised the 1930-47 branding...




I really hope this was a simple oversight!

The first Pluto short was "Bone Trouble", released in 1940 and the last I believe was 1951's "Cold Turkey".

There should be a total of 48 theatrical shorts officially starring Pluto, no more, no less...


Even if the producers of this set decided to divide the series into two subsequent releases with Vol. II beginning at 1947, and even assuming that all later Mickey Mouse cartoons in which Pluto happened to make an appearance were to be presented, that still with a plethora of bonus features, interviews, etc. would not amass to more than 25-27 cartoons at most which would equate to only approx. 3 hours worth of material - rehashed at that - spread over a 2 disc set!

Again, I really hope this is just a simple oversight because up until this wave, I haven't had a single legitemate criticism to offer in regards to these sets, at least as much as quality is concerned.

If Disney decides to start packing on the same bits and pieces of tired content and material from each past release, I will be really pissed off! We just saw all these 1950 shorts on Wave 3 not even five whole months ago... Why repackage them on a set in which they don't belong, only to spread out and prolong the release of their Pluto filmography which could and should be easily fit onto one complete and definitive set, as was done with Goofy.

The WD Treasures to date, have not only been a last commitment of quality and trust from a vastly waning company in the public's eye, but in all truth and honesty in my opinion, some of the absolute best DVD's released in the medium, ever!

I will be extremely dissapointed to learn that this set will be nothing more than a trite "volume 1" amalgam of rehashed cartoons that don't even fall into the context of Pluto's official film library...


This one cover alone totally destroyed my optimism for the future of these Treasures... at this rate, we'll be on H-DVD technology before we ever get to the final chapter in The Chronological Donald Duck series!

They couldn't even get the proper color fill on the featured character's ears....


If anyone has Mr. Maltin's email address, it would be great to shoot him a message regarding this title.. I hope this is a mistake!

Wow certainly cant wait for Mickey and Pluto. I am not sure I want the Mickey Mouse Club maybe the first one I take a pass on. I think I would rather have five episodes through the years so we could watch Annette grow up, if ya know what I mean.

http://www.mousestars.com/steve/annette/afmouse1.htm

Mickey Mouse Sweater....ahhhh

By the way does anyone have any information on how she is doing battling MS. Terrible disease.

STASHONE wrote:Woah, look what I missed...

I saw the covers online late Sunday night and just realised the 1930-47 branding...




I really hope this was a simple oversight!

The first Pluto short was "Bone Trouble", released in 1940 and the last I believe was 1951's "Cold Turkey".

There should be a total of 48 theatrical shorts officially starring Pluto, no more, no less...


Even if the producers of this set decided to divide the series into two subsequent releases with Vol. II beginning at 1947, and even assuming that all later Mickey Mouse cartoons in which Pluto happened to make an appearance were to be presented, that still with a plethora of bonus features, interviews, etc. would not amass to more than 25-27 cartoons at most which would equate to only approx. 3 hours worth of material - rehashed at that - spread over a 2 disc set!

Again, I really hope this is just a simple oversight because up until this wave, I haven't had a single legitemate criticism to offer in regards to these sets, at least as much as quality is concerned.

If Disney decides to start packing on the same bits and pieces of tired content and material from each past release, I will be really pissed off! We just saw all these 1950 shorts on Wave 3 not even five whole months ago... Why repackage them on a set in which they don't belong, only to spread out and prolong the release of their Pluto filmography which could and should be easily fit onto one complete and definitive set, as was done with Goofy.

The WD Treasures to date, have not only been a last commitment of quality and trust from a vastly waning company in the public's eye, but in all truth and honesty in my opinion, some of the absolute best DVD's released in the medium, ever!

I will be extremely dissapointed to learn that this set will be nothing more than a trite "volume 1" amalgam of rehashed cartoons that don't even fall into the context of Pluto's official film library...


This one cover alone totally destroyed my optimism for the future of these Treasures... at this rate, we'll be on H-DVD technology before we ever get to the final chapter in The Chronological Donald Duck series!

They couldn't even get the proper color fill on the featured character's ears....


If anyone has Mr. Maltin's email address, it would be great to shoot him a message regarding this title.. I hope this is a mistake!

I think the "quarks" began in wave 3

The Goofy Pogo stick short was double dipped in OTFL

MMILC2 had some shorts where Pluto was the star.

Well, according to the Mickey Mouse, The Evolution, The Legend, The Phenomenon! (Disney Press, 2001) All the shorts on Mickey Mouse In Living Color Vol 2 are Mickey Mouse shorts.

I know some didn't have Mickey title cards, but this could be because they were altered after completion and first release or Disney could have re-classified the shorts subsequently.

But for whatever the reason, Disney's official film archive does list them as Mickey Mouse cartoons, and it's nothing to do with altering them for the Treasures.

If that was directed to me, than I never argued against that. I was and am quite happy with my MMILC2 set and as previously stated, haven't really had any criticisms towards any of these Treasures so far. If however, the producers of this upcoming Pluto set decide to start rehashing that same content from the Mickey Mouse collection onto this Pluto set where it doesn't belong, in order to stretch out the releases and milk all they can from us collector's who have been supporting the series since the beginning, than that's not cool at all! There should be no valid reasons for this 2-disc set to be stretched out and extended over two volumes. I don't see how Disney can really offer much in the way of extras for a nondescript run-of-the-mill character like Pluto when Goofy didn't even warrant much more than a pair of voice cast interviews. Again, I hope this was just some accidental concept art that somehow leaked onto the internet and that we will see one complete and definitive collection of Pluto cartoons and nothing more.

No it wasn't directed at you. But there is logic to all of the decisions made on the Treasures sets to date.

The Goofy set missed out an educational short (and Soccermania), but I suspect this was just as much down to run time rather than title cards. (Soccermania appears to have a Goofy title card!). I can even understand them including the Victory Vehicles cartoon on the On The Frontlines set. It means that this set was as complete as possible, and is a single 6-8 minute cartoon being repeated really that big a "quirk"?

I'm not too keen on MMILC Vol 2 including the feature film apperances (I would rather have a Mouseworks/House of Mouse overview/compilation instead) but it does make some sense. And perhaps we'll see Donald's non-Short apperances in his chronological sets as a result. So that's fine.

We need to wait and see the full specs on the Pluto release before we jump to too many conclusions. Perhaps like Donald, they want to repeat Pluto's first apperance as a one off? And perhaps the Silly Symphony will be repeated too. That would explain the start year. Although I'll admit I can't see any reason for the stated end year. But I can't see a wide number of previously released cartoons being repeated on the Pluto set.

Of course, only having one week of Mickey Mouse Club episodes is where you should really worry. Based on one week per wave, they've got another 50 odd years of releases mapped out already

The cover art is from an official source. That doesn't, however, mean that it is finalized.

Not to be speculative (ok, so I am), but it's interesting that we don't see the blue bands around these leaked pieces of artwork. Granted, it will probably still happen, but one wonders if a certain person's signature will show up on the front