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DisneyBluLife wrote:Regarding the dress, I think the picture at the top (2003 Special edition DVD) is the correct. Because if you look closely at the dress in the Platinum edition picture you can still see the lineart/linework/lines of the splashes. Escpecially on the dress arm closest to Flora. The right arm from our point of view. Which looks odd when the dress is in one color.

I noticed those color splashes too. I'm surprised the sparkles haven't been messed with like they were on Cinderella.

Someone who worked on the VHS/DVD/Whatever probably thought the same and changed it.
Anyway the Platinum is correct:

Oh wow, thanks for providing that pic. That does change things up then. What edition is that screencap from? Also would you happen to have a similar one for Maleficent's laughing scene at Aurora's christening? I'm curious what color her eyes are there.

JeanGreyForever wrote:Oh wow, thanks for providing that pic. That does change things up then. What edition is that screencap from? Also would you happen to have a similar one for Maleficent's laughing scene at Aurora's christening? I'm curious what color her eyes are there.

It's from a 35 floating around on the internet. I'll try to get a screenshot, but it might be later today or tomorrow.

farerb wrote:

JeanGreyForever wrote:Oh wow, thanks for providing that pic. That does change things up then. What edition is that screencap from? Also would you happen to have a similar one for Maleficent's laughing scene at Aurora's christening? I'm curious what color her eyes are there.

It's from a 35 floating around on the internet. I'll try to get a screenshot, but it might be later today or tomorrow.

Oh wow, that was a very precise shot you found. The colors, interestingly enough, also remind me very much of the Platinum restoration which is nice because I remember hearing a Disney purist complain that the Blu-Ray used completely different colors from the original.

Take your time finding the one with Maleficent's eyes. And thank you again for confirming that it in fact was not an error. That certainly gives me more faith in Sleeping Beauty's restoration then.

I actually believe the Platinum colors are the correct ones (the color relations make more sense).

BUT... in defense of the poor, old, maligned special edition transfer... let's not forget that that edition came out in 2003, when people still used tube TVs (pre-HD TVs), which show colors VERY differently. That transfer looks (in part) drab and and faded, because a tube TV would have really boosted the saturation on the colors.

A similar example is Alice in wonderland's early 2000s dvd.

And it works the other way around too: if you watch the blu rays for SB or Alice in a tube TV, they look crazy saturated.

Marce82 wrote:I actually believe the Platinum colors are the correct ones (the color relations make more sense).

BUT... in defense of the poor, old, maligned special edition transfer... let's not forget that that edition came out in 2003, when people still used tube TVs (pre-HD TVs), which show colors VERY differently. That transfer looks (in part) drab and and faded, because a tube TV would have really boosted the saturation on the colors.

A similar example is Alice in wonderland's early 2000s dvd.

And it works the other way around too: if you watch the blu rays for SB or Alice in a tube TV, they look crazy saturated.

Don't you think Alice's DVD looks better than the Blu-ray? With that sickening yellow in her hair?

Hahahah.... well... you can always turn down the color saturation on your tv. The yellow hair does seem a little much (tho if you look at an original cel, it does seem to be pretty bright yellow). Im also bothered by the red rose in the Golden Afternoon scene. You can barely see her facial features.

That said, I don't like the color scheme in the early 2000s dvd... I dont think skin tones should be ashy nor lips be orange.

JeanGreyForever wrote:

Marce82 wrote:I actually believe the Platinum colors are the correct ones (the color relations make more sense).

BUT... in defense of the poor, old, maligned special edition transfer... let's not forget that that edition came out in 2003, when people still used tube TVs (pre-HD TVs), which show colors VERY differently. That transfer looks (in part) drab and and faded, because a tube TV would have really boosted the saturation on the colors.

A similar example is Alice in wonderland's early 2000s dvd.

And it works the other way around too: if you watch the blu rays for SB or Alice in a tube TV, they look crazy saturated.

As Disney Duster also said, the Sleeping Beauty 2003 Special Edition had a very green tint to the point that Aurora's blonde hair looked green. And of course the minstrel himself was colored green instead of gold too.

Tbh, Alice in Blu-Ray looks super saturated even on a regular TV. The disparity between the DVD and Blu-Ray is even more obvious when you watch the original trailers on the Blu-Ray and see a more toned-down color palette.

Marce82 wrote:Hahahah.... well... you can always turn down the color saturation on your tv. The yellow hair does seem a little much (tho if you look at an original cel, it does seem to be pretty bright yellow). Im also bothered by the red rose in the Golden Afternoon scene. You can barely see her facial features.

That said, I don't like the color scheme in the early 2000s dvd... I dont think skin tones should be ashy nor lips be orange.

Some Disney purists who have studied these films intensively said that the color scheme for Alice in Wonderland is so messed up that changing the saturation one way or another still will not reflect the original colors. One object onscreen might look fine but everything else was affected in a different way so there's no one setting to act as a fix. The same is true for Beauty and the Beast I think.

Cels always photograph differently so the colors on the cel don't necessarily reflect how they'd look on film. There are some cels where Alice has this crazy bright yellowish-green hair (almost neon) but others with a toned down look. The trailers have a regular yellow blonde though and not what you see on the Blu-Ray.

Which DVD are you referring to btw? The Gold Collection DVD or the Masterpiece Edition DVD?

farerb wrote:

JeanGreyForever wrote:

Thank you for posting. It's interesting how the castle is more green in the Blu-Ray and the same goes for her face. It's almost colorless in the original film print.

As for the eyes, they're not as bright yellow as I might have imagined but they're still more noticeably yellow than in the Blu-Ray.

JeanGrey, I agree with everything you just said. And yes, the cels don't always reflect what showed on screen. Plus, film prints fade... maybe cels do too? In the end, it will have to be a little bit a matter of taste.

And I was referring to the Masterpiece Alice dvd. I couldnt remember the name of that edition, thanks for reminding me.

But in my view, there is a big difference between an entire palette being adjusted... as opposed to an isolated shot having ONE element changed: in this case, Maleficent's eyes. Yes, the colors in that 35mm print are a little blown out.... but the eyes are clearly yellow. And definitely a different color than her teeth, which looks the same in the Platinum edition. Oh well.

I don't think the colors on the Masterpiece DVD are perfect but they seem way more accurate to the original than the Blu-Ray so I prefer it. Ideally a 4K restoration would be the most faithful.

Her eyes have a slight tinge of yellow unlike her teeth which are pure white in the Blu-Ray. But I agree, that he eyes are definitely not yellow enough. Her fluctuating skin tone I find very interesting though.

Which DVD edition is paired with the Blu-ray?

The Special Un-Anniversary Edition DVD but that's the same transfer as the Masterpiece Edition.

Farerb, so that print is actually from before Sleeping Beauty was put on Blu-ray, DVD, or even VHS?!!

I don't understand how it is possible.

Here's why I find the 2003 DVD to still be correct:

In every version of that scene of Flora turning the dress pink just before Briar Rose comes home, in the VHS's and the DVD's all before the Blu-ray, the color pink spread from her wand over the dress.

Now, in all the Blu-rays, the dress fades from mixed pink and blue to just pink.

I was under the impression Disney thought the spreading of pink color went by too quick to really see (the pink spreads over it very fast) and that they thought a fade would look better, so they tampered with it.

I don't have a VHS player. Can you guys watch at home? Can anyone help me get a definite answer, or some more clues about this?

I think it's from the 70's. VHS shouldn't be used as reference cause

Also notice that whenever they hit the dress it changes instantly. The only time it doesn't happen is when Merryweather hit the ribbon, but the way Flora did it was similar to the rest.

farerb wrote:Also notice that whenever they hit the dress it changes instantly. The only time it doesn't happen is when Merryweather hit the ribbon, but the way Flora did it was similar to the rest.

That's a good point too which I never thought of.

And I don't own Sleeping Beauty on VHS anymore so sorry Duster. However, like Farerb said, the film print would be older than the VHS so I wouldn't put much weight in that then.

It is true that every time except Merryweather's second time, the dress fades to the other color instantly.

But...

In the previous home video releases, this one time I am talking about, pink spread over the dress instead of a fade.

I have made 5 screencaps to show you:






Why on earth would they change it from a fade to pink to a spreading of pink for all the home video releases before the 2008 Blu-ray?! How on earth, even, did they have the technology to do that when the VHS's came out?

You saw how quickly it changed from having just mostly the skirt pink to the rest of it pink, so I think Disney changed it to a fade in the 2008 Blu-ray, and forever on, because they thought it went too quick or some other way looked bad.

The absolute only thing I am confused about is how a 70's 35mm had a fade in it instead. Why was the 35mm different than any of the home video releases before 2008?!!!!